"Who says that he won't do the same in 4-5 seasons when he's been in charge of another club?"
I'm quite sure he would. He has said it a lot, that he believes that a manager should only be in charge of a club for 4-5 years, because then things start to get stale. Training methods, the style of play, player/manager relationships, for instance.
Okay, I didnt read all of it because, well, Id be here for hours but, surely every manager has its pros and cons
It seems we are all expecting another Fergie. Fergie is a one off (more or less). If you look at other clubs during Fergie's reign, I doubt many will have had a manager stay for much longer than 4 years.
At Barcelona, Guardiola's Barca had to live up to the tag of being the greatest football club the world had ever seen.
When they failed to win even a single game, the team were heavily scrutinised. If/when he won, he was given barely any credit due to the talent he had at his disposal, when he lost, people questioned how he could possibly lose with such a team. He simply couldnt win
"His record in the transfer market isn't exactly great because he brought in Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Dmytro Chygrynskiy for big money and both flopped and were later sold."
Managers do not often even discuss the price of players, they pick targets and the directors sort it from there.
As you mention, he made some big changes at Barca when he took over, to people who say he had it made are plain ignorant.
What annoys me even more than these people, are the people who say;
'well he has only done it with Barca, and the best players in the world'.
Is it his fault he is only 40 years old and been in charge of one club? If anything it should be said;
"wow, if he can win all that with such little experience and create what will be an ever lasting legacy, imagine what he can do for us."
Yes he has brilliant players, but many managers in the past have failed with great players. This is a team and a SYSTEM which is the best since the great Milan side, on their day they are untouchable, and the tactics have been a vital part of their success. All this done with predominantly players grown at the club.
4-5 years is a long time as a manager at one club these days.
He did an incredible job at Barca, whether he could or would want to do it at United is a completely different matter. He was the ideal man for Barca at the time, he is a Catalan and understood the Barca philosophy. On top of that he was technically an outstanding coach but one who always had to keep the philosophy of Barca in mind. But saying all that IF he were United manager then I believe he would do a great job.
I'd add that Pep has already said he wouldn't feel the need to play the Barca style elsewhere but work around the players best attributes.
Seems like all the best players want to play in La Liga nowadays, yet all the best managers want to manage in the Premier League.
IN a couple of years, the PL could have the likes of Fergie (lets face it, he's never going to retire ), Wenger, Guardiola, Mourinho, Mancini, Delglish....all world class managers..ahem
The points people make are valid.
Its too much to expect another 21 year reign at a club. That is so rare these days, and i suppose what utd can do is have someone in the role of long term planner [sir alex], but coaching will mean a new manager every 4-5 years. Pep would perhaps take utd forward following from sir alex's work, a style of play not really seen in this country, and utd have the resources to make it work.
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I think if Jose and Pep were in the PL, players would soon come flocking.
I'm sure if you asked 100 players who they'd love to play for, these two would take most of the votes between them.
Of your criticisms.
The pressure at Barca, greater than any English club though he is a god at Barca and so evens itself out.
European managers aren't usualy in charge of signings.
The main problem would be how he would do elsewhere. He was a god at Barca, knew everyone the system etc. Elsewhere without that status and knowledge would he do so well.
"Pep would perhaps take utd forward following from sir alex's work, a style of play not really seen in this country, and utd have the resources to make it work."
Don't quite agree here. United are not a passing team, you have very few players who I would say are comfortable on the ball - Carrick, Scholes, Rooney, and Rio, mainly.
Your strength has always been pace on the counter, with a lot of focus down the wings. Pep's style is completely different to that.
The gap between Mourinho, Guardiola,Ferguson and Mancinin, Dalglish and Wenger is huge.
I'm sure if you asked 100 players who they'd love to play for, these two would take most of the votes between them.
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Id say Fergie would get a fair share of the votes but I take your point although Im not sure it would make too much of a difference
At the moment, Barca and Real are the teams of the moment although that could all change if Mourinho follows Guardiola out of La Liga.
I fully expect Barca to drop a level or two next season with Guardiola gone and if Mourinho left Real, I am 100% sure they will decline too which could pave the way for the enlgish teams to dominate the CL again
Very fair analysis that I broadly agree with. Couple of quick thoughts:
4-5 years is a decent stretch in top-flight management. I don't have the figures but suspect that four years is longer than the Premier League average. We'll never see anyone do a Fergie (even a Wenger) again.
On transfers, you're right but I have no problem with the next manager being a just a 'coach'. The pressures involved in running a club the size of United are inconceivable to us mortals. Even Fergie has loosened the reins and delegated significantly in recent years.
On the 'only plays one way' charge, I'm not sure that's true. The style remains similar but the formation often alters (eg. switching between a back three and four). If anything he's been guilty of tinkering a bit too much. This restlessness is seen in the transfer policy as well; Guardiola is clearly terrified of staleness and complacency setting in so he changes formations and adds players to keep things fresh. An admirable strategy but one that exposes him when it doesn't quiet work.
Overall, I like him - he's dignified, serious, diligent and smart and I think would be a good fit for our club.
You have all good points, but there's another pros about hiring Guardiola: he can bring Barca experienced players as well as Barca youngsters to his new club, to help quickly deploy his tactics.
He has great relationship with Barca players as well as La Masia. And I'm sure some of them will want to follow him to a new experience, even if they're Catalan through and through, I expect some (even Xavi) will like something new after a long spell at Barca (and not really to retire like Raul), or the young talents of Cuenca, Fontas, Thiago ... or even some happening to be not favoured anymore (Masch, Sanchez, Afellay...)
Overall, he's a smart guy, great personality and technically/tactically wonderful.
Good article. But, we don't have a quick passing game.
The one advantage i see with having him manage the team is his dedication to youngsters is amazing and one of the highest in europe. it could lead to an arsenalizing of the club though (style and reliability on youngsters)
But we can do a lot worse than him (and sadly suspect will do so when fergie goes) Would love him managing united if it meant a complete change of the ideas of our team.
Good article by the way. His transfer record is woeful, Though i think he just spent because he had to.
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posted on 27/4/12
"Who says that he won't do the same in 4-5 seasons when he's been in charge of another club?"
I'm quite sure he would. He has said it a lot, that he believes that a manager should only be in charge of a club for 4-5 years, because then things start to get stale. Training methods, the style of play, player/manager relationships, for instance.
posted on 27/4/12
Okay, I didnt read all of it because, well, Id be here for hours but, surely every manager has its pros and cons
It seems we are all expecting another Fergie. Fergie is a one off (more or less). If you look at other clubs during Fergie's reign, I doubt many will have had a manager stay for much longer than 4 years.
At Barcelona, Guardiola's Barca had to live up to the tag of being the greatest football club the world had ever seen.
When they failed to win even a single game, the team were heavily scrutinised. If/when he won, he was given barely any credit due to the talent he had at his disposal, when he lost, people questioned how he could possibly lose with such a team. He simply couldnt win
posted on 27/4/12
Excellent article mate
posted on 27/4/12
"His record in the transfer market isn't exactly great because he brought in Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Dmytro Chygrynskiy for big money and both flopped and were later sold."
Managers do not often even discuss the price of players, they pick targets and the directors sort it from there.
As you mention, he made some big changes at Barca when he took over, to people who say he had it made are plain ignorant.
What annoys me even more than these people, are the people who say;
'well he has only done it with Barca, and the best players in the world'.
Is it his fault he is only 40 years old and been in charge of one club? If anything it should be said;
"wow, if he can win all that with such little experience and create what will be an ever lasting legacy, imagine what he can do for us."
Yes he has brilliant players, but many managers in the past have failed with great players. This is a team and a SYSTEM which is the best since the great Milan side, on their day they are untouchable, and the tactics have been a vital part of their success. All this done with predominantly players grown at the club.
posted on 27/4/12
4-5 years is a long time as a manager at one club these days.
He did an incredible job at Barca, whether he could or would want to do it at United is a completely different matter. He was the ideal man for Barca at the time, he is a Catalan and understood the Barca philosophy. On top of that he was technically an outstanding coach but one who always had to keep the philosophy of Barca in mind. But saying all that IF he were United manager then I believe he would do a great job.
posted on 27/4/12
I'd add that Pep has already said he wouldn't feel the need to play the Barca style elsewhere but work around the players best attributes.
posted on 27/4/12
Seems like all the best players want to play in La Liga nowadays, yet all the best managers want to manage in the Premier League.
IN a couple of years, the PL could have the likes of Fergie (lets face it, he's never going to retire ), Wenger, Guardiola, Mourinho, Mancini, Delglish....all world class managers..ahem
posted on 27/4/12
The points people make are valid.
Its too much to expect another 21 year reign at a club. That is so rare these days, and i suppose what utd can do is have someone in the role of long term planner [sir alex], but coaching will mean a new manager every 4-5 years. Pep would perhaps take utd forward following from sir alex's work, a style of play not really seen in this country, and utd have the resources to make it work.
posted on 27/4/12
Smalling_Jones (U13432)
I think if Jose and Pep were in the PL, players would soon come flocking.
I'm sure if you asked 100 players who they'd love to play for, these two would take most of the votes between them.
posted on 27/4/12
Of your criticisms.
The pressure at Barca, greater than any English club though he is a god at Barca and so evens itself out.
European managers aren't usualy in charge of signings.
The main problem would be how he would do elsewhere. He was a god at Barca, knew everyone the system etc. Elsewhere without that status and knowledge would he do so well.
posted on 27/4/12
"Pep would perhaps take utd forward following from sir alex's work, a style of play not really seen in this country, and utd have the resources to make it work."
Don't quite agree here. United are not a passing team, you have very few players who I would say are comfortable on the ball - Carrick, Scholes, Rooney, and Rio, mainly.
Your strength has always been pace on the counter, with a lot of focus down the wings. Pep's style is completely different to that.
posted on 27/4/12
The gap between Mourinho, Guardiola,Ferguson and Mancinin, Dalglish and Wenger is huge.
posted on 27/4/12
I'm sure if you asked 100 players who they'd love to play for, these two would take most of the votes between them.
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Id say Fergie would get a fair share of the votes but I take your point although Im not sure it would make too much of a difference
At the moment, Barca and Real are the teams of the moment although that could all change if Mourinho follows Guardiola out of La Liga.
I fully expect Barca to drop a level or two next season with Guardiola gone and if Mourinho left Real, I am 100% sure they will decline too which could pave the way for the enlgish teams to dominate the CL again
posted on 27/4/12
Very fair analysis that I broadly agree with. Couple of quick thoughts:
4-5 years is a decent stretch in top-flight management. I don't have the figures but suspect that four years is longer than the Premier League average. We'll never see anyone do a Fergie (even a Wenger) again.
On transfers, you're right but I have no problem with the next manager being a just a 'coach'. The pressures involved in running a club the size of United are inconceivable to us mortals. Even Fergie has loosened the reins and delegated significantly in recent years.
On the 'only plays one way' charge, I'm not sure that's true. The style remains similar but the formation often alters (eg. switching between a back three and four). If anything he's been guilty of tinkering a bit too much. This restlessness is seen in the transfer policy as well; Guardiola is clearly terrified of staleness and complacency setting in so he changes formations and adds players to keep things fresh. An admirable strategy but one that exposes him when it doesn't quiet work.
Overall, I like him - he's dignified, serious, diligent and smart and I think would be a good fit for our club.
posted on 27/4/12
You have all good points, but there's another pros about hiring Guardiola: he can bring Barca experienced players as well as Barca youngsters to his new club, to help quickly deploy his tactics.
He has great relationship with Barca players as well as La Masia. And I'm sure some of them will want to follow him to a new experience, even if they're Catalan through and through, I expect some (even Xavi) will like something new after a long spell at Barca (and not really to retire like Raul), or the young talents of Cuenca, Fontas, Thiago ... or even some happening to be not favoured anymore (Masch, Sanchez, Afellay...)
Overall, he's a smart guy, great personality and technically/tactically wonderful.
posted on 27/4/12
Good article. But, we don't have a quick passing game.
posted on 27/4/12
The one advantage i see with having him manage the team is his dedication to youngsters is amazing and one of the highest in europe. it could lead to an arsenalizing of the club though (style and reliability on youngsters)
But we can do a lot worse than him (and sadly suspect will do so when fergie goes) Would love him managing united if it meant a complete change of the ideas of our team.
Good article by the way. His transfer record is woeful, Though i think he just spent because he had to.
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