From a purist veiw point the fight is nothing short of a circus, and a bad one at that.
It wonr be explosive, have you seen Chisora?
The guy is flabby and has lost 3 of his last 4 fights. While I am no fan of Haye I will say this about him, he is a two weight world champion, is quick and can hit as hard as anyone in this division.
He is not in the same league as Wlad, however he is probably the top boxer in the league below him (I think Vitali is on a downward trend due to his age).
This is Harrison all over again, Haye will beat this guy easily, however its a road to nowhere for him as Wlad wont fight him again (why should he after "toegate" and the WBC will have nothing to do with him which rules out Vitali.
You want to see boxing, go watch the super middleweights. While the Super six tournament was not perfect in its execution it did do one thing, it made the best fight one another and probably more so then in any other division at the moment you have a bunch of quality fighters all eger to face off against each other.
I have no idea why a smile is in my writing, that smily is supposed to be a closed bracket.
I dont want it getting around that I use them, people might think I have a fun side...
can't see the point in haye/chisora myself, all it achieves is putting money in the pockets of a lot of people that don't deserve it.
should be more entertaining than haye/harrison.......... but accidentally treading on an upturned plug, electrocuting myself on a light fitting whilst changing a bulb and being hit in the throat by a paintball are just three of 2,481,862 things i could list that i enjoyed more than haye/harrison
Well it should be amusing in the fact that the 2 people will be going out to knock the crap out of each other, this in itself should make it more interesting than 90% of most heavy weight fights that are usually two fat sweaty people hugging!
Given the circumstances it's a farce.
Let's hope David Price can step up in the next 18 months to chllange for the WT. He doesn't have to rush it, but I'm betting that Vlad would like him early, before he gets some more experience under his belt.
Haye vs Price would be a good fight I think. so I hope Haye beats Chisora so that it could happen in the future, even though i don't think this fight should be happening.
Mattyp
Good point on Chisora, his fitness seems poor and from the few fights I have seen him in, he seems too slow to deal with Haye.
Personally, although new to the boxing scene, I see
Chisora as a disgrace to the sport. Hoping Haye will wipe the floor with him.
Whilst the fight itself seems to be a money-spinner, I'm glad it's going ahead and looking forward to it.
Where is it possible to see boxing? In terms of Channels or Sites?
Hate to break it to you Haymaker, but they're both a disgrace to the sport. When they both finally retire and stay retired, boxing will be a far better sport.
Cant wait for the fight, already got my tickets, gunna be a great fight !!
Broxy the klitchskos are a disgrace to the support boring everyone to death, get over it you little girl, the amount of legends that have had brawls outside the ring ( lennox lewis, tyson, ali, frazier etc etc ). This countrys gone too soft, Haye is the only person that has brought heavyweight boxing back to life, even Chisora with that slap on Vitali ( don't agree with him spitting at Wlad though that was vile hence why i want haye to knock him out )
Broxys Wee Cousin
Why is Haye a disgrace to boxing? He seems to be one of few characters in the sport attemtping to get the sport publicity. He was the only reasn I watched the fight with Wlad.
Granted, his confrontation with Chisora cast a shadow on the sport. But I for one don't blame him for his actions. Chisora expected Haye to back down, and ended up on his backside.
Personally, I look forward to seeing it happen again in the ring.
Sorry Wee Cousin but I am taking this one...
Why is Haye a disgrace to boxing?
Well before I answer that I'll say this, if you want trash talk and publicity, go watch Wrestling, those guys are paid actors and it’s their jobs to do that.
Now, Haye is a disgrace to the Heavyweight division simple because all he has ever done is beat a couple of bums in that weight class yet acts like he has been some sort of saviour to the division.
He was lined up to fight Vitali, but then ducked the fight so he could Valuev who was nowhere near in the same league as Vitali, just so he could call himself a world champion.
He then further ducks the K brothers by facing off against the joke that is Harrison. Yeah, that’s right; he went and fought a joke 39 year old rather than actually step into the ring with a K.
When he finally steps into the ring with Wlad he got schooled. Now this was, despite what people who don’t know anything about boxing and just want big guys to hit each other, a joy of a fight to watch. Wlad showed what a gifted technical boxer he actually fought a perfect fight and anyone who actually likes boxing for boxing saw a fighter who did everything right on the night and put in a top performance over 12 rounds. It was great to see a boxer that good destroy and opponent who had run his mouth for so long.
And how did Haye respond to this beating...?
By crying about his toe. At least when other fighters get a pasting as bad as that they hold their hands up and say, "yeah he beat me," not Haye, he makes some excuse about how his toe was hurt. Watching Wlad just calmly state, "You were passed medically to fight, stop crying" at the press conference after (and the look of dejection on Hayes face when he did it) was fantastic (see here folks, when a K brother trash talks he can at least back it up)
And oh, we aint done yet (not by a long way).
Vitali (you remember him, he is the one who Haye ducked early) rocks up and says, "You know what, since my brother didn’t knock you out, how about you step into the ring with me"
Haye then takes his tail between his legs and 'retires.' Talks then are on-going to make this fight happen (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/15927657) but Haye once again refuses to fight Vitali and backs out.
Why...?
So he can fight an even bigger bum then he is in Chisora. Seriously, look at this guy’s record http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=381739&cat=boxer
The biggest name on it is Danny Williams...DANNY WILLIAMS FOR CHRIST SAKE.
And not only that, but as the WBC now won’t have anything to do with him because he is fighting this wife beating bum, who they banned, and Wlad has nothing to prove so after this he is done.
So for all his trash talk, for all his bragging about saving the division what did he actually do?
1) Duck Vitali numerous times.
2) Cried about a toe when he got beaten bad by Wlad.
3) Beat a load of domestic level bums.
Just a loser who never proved anything at Heavyweight.
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Sorry Wee Cousin but I am taking this one...
Why is Haye a disgrace to boxing?
Well before I answer that I'll say this, if you want trash talk and publicity, go watch Wrestling, those guys are paid actors and it’s their jobs to do that.
Now, Haye is a disgrace to the Heavyweight division simple because all he has ever done is beat a couple of bums in that weight class yet acts like he has been some sort of saviour to the division.
He was lined up to fight Vitali, but then ducked the fight so he could Valuev who was nowhere near in the same league as Vitali, just so he could call himself a world champion.
He then further ducks the K brothers by facing off against the joke that is Harrison. Yeah, that’s right; he went and fought a joke 39 year old rather than actually step into the ring with a K.
When he finally steps into the ring with Wlad he got schooled. Now this was, despite what people who don’t know anything about boxing and just want big guys to hit each other, a joy of a fight to watch. Wlad showed what a gifted technical boxer he actually fought a perfect fight and anyone who actually likes boxing for boxing saw a fighter who did everything right on the night and put in a top performance over 12 rounds. It was great to see a boxer that good destroy and opponent who had run his mouth for so long.
And how did Haye respond to this beating...?
By crying about his toe. At least when other fighters get a pasting as bad as that they hold their hands up and say, "yeah he beat me," not Haye, he makes some excuse about how his toe was hurt. Watching Wlad just calmly state, "You were passed medically to fight, stop crying" at the press conference after (and the look of dejection on Hayes face when he did it) was fantastic (see here folks, when a K brother trash talks he can at least back it up)
And oh, we aint done yet (not by a long way).
Vitali (you remember him, he is the one who Haye ducked early) rocks up and says, "You know what, since my brother didn’t knock you out, how about you step into the ring with me"
Haye then takes his tail between his legs and 'retires.' Talks then are on-going to make this fight happen (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/15927657) but Haye once again refuses to fight Vitali and backs out.
Why...?
So he can fight an even bigger bum then he is in Chisora. Seriously, look at this guy’s record http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=381739&cat=boxer
The biggest name on it is Danny Williams...DANNY WILLIAMS FOR CHRIST SAKE.
And not only that, but as the WBC now won’t have anything to do with him because he is fighting this wife beating bum, who they banned, and Wlad has nothing to prove so after this he is done.
So for all his trash talk, for all his bragging about saving the division what did he actually do?
1) Duck Vitali numerous times.
2) Cried about a toe when he got beaten bad by Wlad.
3) Beat a load of domestic level bums.
Just a loser who never proved anything at Heavyweight.
Mattyp
I agree with a majority of your points. He ducked fights with either of the K's and got a reality check against Wlad. Haye is big headed and arrogant, but I think to say a two weight champion is a disgrace to the sport is abit harsh.
Most of his fights I have seen have been good quality fights, excluding Harrison. I think he is a quality boxer, but doesn't quite have the ability to match his talk.
I can't see him loosing to Chisora. But how do you think he would fair against Vitali?
But how do you think he would fair against Vitali?
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Depends on which Vitali turns up, the Vitali that fought Chisora looked like a old, slow robot who was easy to punch and there for the taking if Chisora was faster.
Sadly i do think Vitali is past it now and age has caught up with him, he still dominated Chisora but Chisora is just another one of the average fighters they fight. If Haye fought Vitali know i think Haye would knock him out or force a stoppage as i don't think Vitali would be able to live with his speed
Now, Haye is a disgrace to the Heavyweight division simple because all he has ever done is beat a couple of bums in that weight class yet acts like he has been some sort of saviour to the division.
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Thing is though you could say the same about Wlad and Vitali really though, obviously it's not their fault there is no decent challengers out there but apart from the odd good boxer who have they actually beat that is any good ?
Best boxer Vitali has fought was a over the hill unfit Lennox Lewis and Lennox still schooled him
lennox didn't 'school' vitali at all, vitali was rightly up on all 3 cards before sustaining a horrific cut which caused the fight to be stopped.
it was a fantastic fight while it lasted, possibly the last one in the heavyweight division.
Vitali started off very well yes, he won the first few rounds comfortably imo and Lennox was looking worse for wear, but then once Lennox got into the fight he started to school him and nearly caused permanent damage to Vitalis eye, thankfully it was stopped when it was though otherwise Vitali might not have ever been able to box again.
comment by ChelseaFC 1L1L1C (U12980)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
Thing is though you could say the same about Wlad and Vitali really though, obviously it's not their fault there is no decent challengers out there but apart from the odd good boxer who have they actually beat that is any good ?
Best boxer Vitali has fought was a over the hill unfit Lennox Lewis and Lennox still schooled him
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Schooled him? Vitali was ahead on all the cards, it was only because he got cut that the fight was stopped. Had it continued then Vitali could have beaten Lewis, and probably should have. However, I do agree with you that it was a past it Lewis that showed up, had he been in his prime then Lewis easily.
Wlad has the sixth longest rain as a champion at heavyweight at just over 6 years. As Holmes is just over 7 years and is second you have to say he should go number 2 on the list (Joe Lewis is just shy of 12 years which might be doable, but still a long way off).
The difference for me however is the fact that neither K brother has ever ducked a fight, whereas haye talked his talk and didnt back it up by stepping into the ring.
Their biggest problem is not that the division is weak, its that they both peaked late. Put Wlad in the ring now against himself at any point in his 20s and current day Wlad wipes the floor with him. You dont have a record of 50 knockouts in 57 fights without been good.
And to answer your question Hayemaker I think Haye takes it, Vitali looked old last time out and I think Haye would be too quick for him. I think it would probably go the distance, but if Haye was in peak condition I think he has enough to get off enough shots over the 12 rounds to take it on points.
However I dont think its ever going to happen, as after seeing the way he beat Chisora I think Povetkin and Chagaev are both going to be knocking on his door soon and I just dont think he has it in him to get past both of them one after the other
comment by TheHayemaker. (U14625)
posted 1 day, 22 hours ago
Mattyp
I agree with a majority of your points. He ducked fights with either of the K's and got a reality check against Wlad. Haye is big headed and arrogant, but I think to say a two weight champion is a disgrace to the sport is abit harsh
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And further to my previous post.
Reread what I have written, you will notice that I said Haye is a disgrace to the "heavyweight" division, not to boxing.
I used the word heavyweight deliberately as Haye was a phenomenal cruiserweight who worked his way through the division with ease, his fight against Enzo Mac is as perfect example as you will ever see of a boxer who is too good for the division he is in. I actually remember been genuionly excited about this fight, going into it they both had a great reputation and you knew you were seeing two quick hard hitters, you knew that the fight was going to be short, bit at least you knew it was going to be sweet. Incidentally if you haven't seen it, go YouTube that fight, then tell me if you think Haye has recaptured that in any of his fights at heavyweight (but please remember, despite his career since, Enzo at the time was a quality cruiserweight who was a world champion, not a bum like Harrison)
However that does not change the fact that he promised so much yet delivered so little as a heavyweight.
P.S sorry about the lateness of the reply, I only just noted that portion of your question
Apologies Mattyp, I see where you're coming from now.
Was Haye v Enzo the fight where Haye stumbled very early on but carried on to win in Round 2? If so I remember it well, as you say, short but sweet.
Do you see Haye moving from Cruiserweight to Heavy as a mistake? Should he have stayed in that division? Also why do you think he has not delivered, so to speak, in the Heavyweight division?
I think he was right to move up, there was nothing left for him to do at cruiserweight, had he stayed there then who could he have expected to fight?
I'm honestly struggling to think of any fight at cruiser which could have even come close to testing him, maybe Herbie Hayde, however that would have been more of a specticule, rather than an actual proper fight.
Hate struggled to meet weight at cruiser, he seems to be a natural light heavyweight simply due to his musclemass and size.
Why did Haye fail at heavyweight?
I feel there are a couple of reasons, the first been quite simply that wlad is a far, far better boxer than him. That's all there is to that point if I am honest, Wlad is a fantastic technical fighter, he has got better with age and just doesn't make mistakes, his larger mass was telling in their fight as Wlad kept him at bay and took him down with his jab.
Hate is quick (as I have constantly said), however people seem to overlook that wlad too is fast. People hear the term robotic applied to him and seem to think that means he is slow, its just not the case though and it showed in that fight, he was quick, better technically and had a longer reach, Haye just couldn't get through his defenses and as a result got picked off all night.
The second reason, and the reason I am most critical of him for, is that he ran his mouth so much yet delivered so very little. I can't fault him in some regards, the Harrison and Chosira fights will pay his pension and mean he will leave very comfortably for the rest of his days, but all they are is two examples of him fighting bums and acting like he has done something amazing at heavyweight.
for those saying haye isn't a disgrace, i'm sure it was him that threw the first punch in the press conference with chisora and he was holding a bottle at the time.
also, to say the things he said in the build up to the klitschko fight only to a). fight the way he fought and b). blame defeat on a pinky toe injury makes him an embarrassment to the whole nation quite frankly.
he should beat chisora fairly easily but i can see chisora hanging around and being difficult to get out of there. i expect haye to try and blast him out early only to get on his bike and settle for a comfortable points win when it doesn't happen straight away.
electric_boogaloo
for those saying haye isn't a disgrace, i'm sure it was him that threw the first punch in the press conference with chisora and he was holding a bottle at the time.
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So what would you have done?
Mattyp
I agree that Haye has talked himself up massively without producing alot. But other than Wlad, who in this division would beat him?
I think he will wipe the floor with Chisora, and as you said previously, he would probably take it against Vitali.
What's your opinion on the Haye-Valuev fight? Surely he deserves credit for that?
He did everything at Cruiserweight. beating Mormeck in France was no mean feat.
He is too small to be a devastating heavyweight, but the division was weak and Haye with his talk, livened it up. sadly, he didn't back these words up in the ring against Vlad... and made a bit of an idiot of himself in the process.
I think in a years time Price would beat him, he's a talented boxer with real size and presence. i would love to see Haye vs Price and Haye vs Fury ( I think he would beat Fury). These are big fights and big pay days for Haye rather than this Chisora farce.
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Haye v Chisora...
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posted on 1/6/12
From a purist veiw point the fight is nothing short of a circus, and a bad one at that.
It wonr be explosive, have you seen Chisora?
The guy is flabby and has lost 3 of his last 4 fights. While I am no fan of Haye I will say this about him, he is a two weight world champion, is quick and can hit as hard as anyone in this division.
He is not in the same league as Wlad, however he is probably the top boxer in the league below him (I think Vitali is on a downward trend due to his age).
This is Harrison all over again, Haye will beat this guy easily, however its a road to nowhere for him as Wlad wont fight him again (why should he after "toegate" and the WBC will have nothing to do with him which rules out Vitali.
You want to see boxing, go watch the super middleweights. While the Super six tournament was not perfect in its execution it did do one thing, it made the best fight one another and probably more so then in any other division at the moment you have a bunch of quality fighters all eger to face off against each other.
posted on 1/6/12
I have no idea why a smile is in my writing, that smily is supposed to be a closed bracket.
I dont want it getting around that I use them, people might think I have a fun side...
posted on 1/6/12
can't see the point in haye/chisora myself, all it achieves is putting money in the pockets of a lot of people that don't deserve it.
should be more entertaining than haye/harrison.......... but accidentally treading on an upturned plug, electrocuting myself on a light fitting whilst changing a bulb and being hit in the throat by a paintball are just three of 2,481,862 things i could list that i enjoyed more than haye/harrison
posted on 1/6/12
Well it should be amusing in the fact that the 2 people will be going out to knock the crap out of each other, this in itself should make it more interesting than 90% of most heavy weight fights that are usually two fat sweaty people hugging!
posted on 2/6/12
Given the circumstances it's a farce.
Let's hope David Price can step up in the next 18 months to chllange for the WT. He doesn't have to rush it, but I'm betting that Vlad would like him early, before he gets some more experience under his belt.
Haye vs Price would be a good fight I think. so I hope Haye beats Chisora so that it could happen in the future, even though i don't think this fight should be happening.
posted on 3/6/12
Mattyp
Good point on Chisora, his fitness seems poor and from the few fights I have seen him in, he seems too slow to deal with Haye.
Personally, although new to the boxing scene, I see
Chisora as a disgrace to the sport. Hoping Haye will wipe the floor with him.
Whilst the fight itself seems to be a money-spinner, I'm glad it's going ahead and looking forward to it.
Where is it possible to see boxing? In terms of Channels or Sites?
posted on 4/6/12
Hate to break it to you Haymaker, but they're both a disgrace to the sport. When they both finally retire and stay retired, boxing will be a far better sport.
posted on 4/6/12
Cant wait for the fight, already got my tickets, gunna be a great fight !!
posted on 4/6/12
Broxy the klitchskos are a disgrace to the support boring everyone to death, get over it you little girl, the amount of legends that have had brawls outside the ring ( lennox lewis, tyson, ali, frazier etc etc ). This countrys gone too soft, Haye is the only person that has brought heavyweight boxing back to life, even Chisora with that slap on Vitali ( don't agree with him spitting at Wlad though that was vile hence why i want haye to knock him out )
posted on 4/6/12
Broxys Wee Cousin
Why is Haye a disgrace to boxing? He seems to be one of few characters in the sport attemtping to get the sport publicity. He was the only reasn I watched the fight with Wlad.
Granted, his confrontation with Chisora cast a shadow on the sport. But I for one don't blame him for his actions. Chisora expected Haye to back down, and ended up on his backside.
Personally, I look forward to seeing it happen again in the ring.
posted on 5/6/12
Sorry Wee Cousin but I am taking this one...
Why is Haye a disgrace to boxing?
Well before I answer that I'll say this, if you want trash talk and publicity, go watch Wrestling, those guys are paid actors and it’s their jobs to do that.
Now, Haye is a disgrace to the Heavyweight division simple because all he has ever done is beat a couple of bums in that weight class yet acts like he has been some sort of saviour to the division.
He was lined up to fight Vitali, but then ducked the fight so he could Valuev who was nowhere near in the same league as Vitali, just so he could call himself a world champion.
He then further ducks the K brothers by facing off against the joke that is Harrison. Yeah, that’s right; he went and fought a joke 39 year old rather than actually step into the ring with a K.
When he finally steps into the ring with Wlad he got schooled. Now this was, despite what people who don’t know anything about boxing and just want big guys to hit each other, a joy of a fight to watch. Wlad showed what a gifted technical boxer he actually fought a perfect fight and anyone who actually likes boxing for boxing saw a fighter who did everything right on the night and put in a top performance over 12 rounds. It was great to see a boxer that good destroy and opponent who had run his mouth for so long.
And how did Haye respond to this beating...?
By crying about his toe. At least when other fighters get a pasting as bad as that they hold their hands up and say, "yeah he beat me," not Haye, he makes some excuse about how his toe was hurt. Watching Wlad just calmly state, "You were passed medically to fight, stop crying" at the press conference after (and the look of dejection on Hayes face when he did it) was fantastic (see here folks, when a K brother trash talks he can at least back it up)
And oh, we aint done yet (not by a long way).
Vitali (you remember him, he is the one who Haye ducked early) rocks up and says, "You know what, since my brother didn’t knock you out, how about you step into the ring with me"
Haye then takes his tail between his legs and 'retires.' Talks then are on-going to make this fight happen (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/15927657) but Haye once again refuses to fight Vitali and backs out.
Why...?
So he can fight an even bigger bum then he is in Chisora. Seriously, look at this guy’s record http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=381739&cat=boxer
The biggest name on it is Danny Williams...DANNY WILLIAMS FOR CHRIST SAKE.
And not only that, but as the WBC now won’t have anything to do with him because he is fighting this wife beating bum, who they banned, and Wlad has nothing to prove so after this he is done.
So for all his trash talk, for all his bragging about saving the division what did he actually do?
1) Duck Vitali numerous times.
2) Cried about a toe when he got beaten bad by Wlad.
3) Beat a load of domestic level bums.
Just a loser who never proved anything at Heavyweight.
posted on 5/6/12
(spaces put in to make it a little easier to read)
Sorry Wee Cousin but I am taking this one...
Why is Haye a disgrace to boxing?
Well before I answer that I'll say this, if you want trash talk and publicity, go watch Wrestling, those guys are paid actors and it’s their jobs to do that.
Now, Haye is a disgrace to the Heavyweight division simple because all he has ever done is beat a couple of bums in that weight class yet acts like he has been some sort of saviour to the division.
He was lined up to fight Vitali, but then ducked the fight so he could Valuev who was nowhere near in the same league as Vitali, just so he could call himself a world champion.
He then further ducks the K brothers by facing off against the joke that is Harrison. Yeah, that’s right; he went and fought a joke 39 year old rather than actually step into the ring with a K.
When he finally steps into the ring with Wlad he got schooled. Now this was, despite what people who don’t know anything about boxing and just want big guys to hit each other, a joy of a fight to watch. Wlad showed what a gifted technical boxer he actually fought a perfect fight and anyone who actually likes boxing for boxing saw a fighter who did everything right on the night and put in a top performance over 12 rounds. It was great to see a boxer that good destroy and opponent who had run his mouth for so long.
And how did Haye respond to this beating...?
By crying about his toe. At least when other fighters get a pasting as bad as that they hold their hands up and say, "yeah he beat me," not Haye, he makes some excuse about how his toe was hurt. Watching Wlad just calmly state, "You were passed medically to fight, stop crying" at the press conference after (and the look of dejection on Hayes face when he did it) was fantastic (see here folks, when a K brother trash talks he can at least back it up)
And oh, we aint done yet (not by a long way).
Vitali (you remember him, he is the one who Haye ducked early) rocks up and says, "You know what, since my brother didn’t knock you out, how about you step into the ring with me"
Haye then takes his tail between his legs and 'retires.' Talks then are on-going to make this fight happen (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/15927657) but Haye once again refuses to fight Vitali and backs out.
Why...?
So he can fight an even bigger bum then he is in Chisora. Seriously, look at this guy’s record http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=381739&cat=boxer
The biggest name on it is Danny Williams...DANNY WILLIAMS FOR CHRIST SAKE.
And not only that, but as the WBC now won’t have anything to do with him because he is fighting this wife beating bum, who they banned, and Wlad has nothing to prove so after this he is done.
So for all his trash talk, for all his bragging about saving the division what did he actually do?
1) Duck Vitali numerous times.
2) Cried about a toe when he got beaten bad by Wlad.
3) Beat a load of domestic level bums.
Just a loser who never proved anything at Heavyweight.
posted on 5/6/12
Mattyp
I agree with a majority of your points. He ducked fights with either of the K's and got a reality check against Wlad. Haye is big headed and arrogant, but I think to say a two weight champion is a disgrace to the sport is abit harsh.
Most of his fights I have seen have been good quality fights, excluding Harrison. I think he is a quality boxer, but doesn't quite have the ability to match his talk.
I can't see him loosing to Chisora. But how do you think he would fair against Vitali?
posted on 5/6/12
But how do you think he would fair against Vitali?
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Depends on which Vitali turns up, the Vitali that fought Chisora looked like a old, slow robot who was easy to punch and there for the taking if Chisora was faster.
Sadly i do think Vitali is past it now and age has caught up with him, he still dominated Chisora but Chisora is just another one of the average fighters they fight. If Haye fought Vitali know i think Haye would knock him out or force a stoppage as i don't think Vitali would be able to live with his speed
posted on 5/6/12
Now, Haye is a disgrace to the Heavyweight division simple because all he has ever done is beat a couple of bums in that weight class yet acts like he has been some sort of saviour to the division.
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Thing is though you could say the same about Wlad and Vitali really though, obviously it's not their fault there is no decent challengers out there but apart from the odd good boxer who have they actually beat that is any good ?
Best boxer Vitali has fought was a over the hill unfit Lennox Lewis and Lennox still schooled him
posted on 5/6/12
lennox didn't 'school' vitali at all, vitali was rightly up on all 3 cards before sustaining a horrific cut which caused the fight to be stopped.
it was a fantastic fight while it lasted, possibly the last one in the heavyweight division.
posted on 5/6/12
Vitali started off very well yes, he won the first few rounds comfortably imo and Lennox was looking worse for wear, but then once Lennox got into the fight he started to school him and nearly caused permanent damage to Vitalis eye, thankfully it was stopped when it was though otherwise Vitali might not have ever been able to box again.
posted on 5/6/12
comment by ChelseaFC 1L1L1C (U12980)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
Thing is though you could say the same about Wlad and Vitali really though, obviously it's not their fault there is no decent challengers out there but apart from the odd good boxer who have they actually beat that is any good ?
Best boxer Vitali has fought was a over the hill unfit Lennox Lewis and Lennox still schooled him
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Schooled him? Vitali was ahead on all the cards, it was only because he got cut that the fight was stopped. Had it continued then Vitali could have beaten Lewis, and probably should have. However, I do agree with you that it was a past it Lewis that showed up, had he been in his prime then Lewis easily.
Wlad has the sixth longest rain as a champion at heavyweight at just over 6 years. As Holmes is just over 7 years and is second you have to say he should go number 2 on the list (Joe Lewis is just shy of 12 years which might be doable, but still a long way off).
The difference for me however is the fact that neither K brother has ever ducked a fight, whereas haye talked his talk and didnt back it up by stepping into the ring.
Their biggest problem is not that the division is weak, its that they both peaked late. Put Wlad in the ring now against himself at any point in his 20s and current day Wlad wipes the floor with him. You dont have a record of 50 knockouts in 57 fights without been good.
And to answer your question Hayemaker I think Haye takes it, Vitali looked old last time out and I think Haye would be too quick for him. I think it would probably go the distance, but if Haye was in peak condition I think he has enough to get off enough shots over the 12 rounds to take it on points.
However I dont think its ever going to happen, as after seeing the way he beat Chisora I think Povetkin and Chagaev are both going to be knocking on his door soon and I just dont think he has it in him to get past both of them one after the other
posted on 7/6/12
comment by TheHayemaker. (U14625)
posted 1 day, 22 hours ago
Mattyp
I agree with a majority of your points. He ducked fights with either of the K's and got a reality check against Wlad. Haye is big headed and arrogant, but I think to say a two weight champion is a disgrace to the sport is abit harsh
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And further to my previous post.
Reread what I have written, you will notice that I said Haye is a disgrace to the "heavyweight" division, not to boxing.
I used the word heavyweight deliberately as Haye was a phenomenal cruiserweight who worked his way through the division with ease, his fight against Enzo Mac is as perfect example as you will ever see of a boxer who is too good for the division he is in. I actually remember been genuionly excited about this fight, going into it they both had a great reputation and you knew you were seeing two quick hard hitters, you knew that the fight was going to be short, bit at least you knew it was going to be sweet. Incidentally if you haven't seen it, go YouTube that fight, then tell me if you think Haye has recaptured that in any of his fights at heavyweight (but please remember, despite his career since, Enzo at the time was a quality cruiserweight who was a world champion, not a bum like Harrison)
However that does not change the fact that he promised so much yet delivered so little as a heavyweight.
P.S sorry about the lateness of the reply, I only just noted that portion of your question
posted on 7/6/12
Apologies Mattyp, I see where you're coming from now.
Was Haye v Enzo the fight where Haye stumbled very early on but carried on to win in Round 2? If so I remember it well, as you say, short but sweet.
Do you see Haye moving from Cruiserweight to Heavy as a mistake? Should he have stayed in that division? Also why do you think he has not delivered, so to speak, in the Heavyweight division?
posted on 7/6/12
I think he was right to move up, there was nothing left for him to do at cruiserweight, had he stayed there then who could he have expected to fight?
I'm honestly struggling to think of any fight at cruiser which could have even come close to testing him, maybe Herbie Hayde, however that would have been more of a specticule, rather than an actual proper fight.
Hate struggled to meet weight at cruiser, he seems to be a natural light heavyweight simply due to his musclemass and size.
Why did Haye fail at heavyweight?
I feel there are a couple of reasons, the first been quite simply that wlad is a far, far better boxer than him. That's all there is to that point if I am honest, Wlad is a fantastic technical fighter, he has got better with age and just doesn't make mistakes, his larger mass was telling in their fight as Wlad kept him at bay and took him down with his jab.
Hate is quick (as I have constantly said), however people seem to overlook that wlad too is fast. People hear the term robotic applied to him and seem to think that means he is slow, its just not the case though and it showed in that fight, he was quick, better technically and had a longer reach, Haye just couldn't get through his defenses and as a result got picked off all night.
The second reason, and the reason I am most critical of him for, is that he ran his mouth so much yet delivered so very little. I can't fault him in some regards, the Harrison and Chosira fights will pay his pension and mean he will leave very comfortably for the rest of his days, but all they are is two examples of him fighting bums and acting like he has done something amazing at heavyweight.
posted on 7/6/12
for those saying haye isn't a disgrace, i'm sure it was him that threw the first punch in the press conference with chisora and he was holding a bottle at the time.
also, to say the things he said in the build up to the klitschko fight only to a). fight the way he fought and b). blame defeat on a pinky toe injury makes him an embarrassment to the whole nation quite frankly.
he should beat chisora fairly easily but i can see chisora hanging around and being difficult to get out of there. i expect haye to try and blast him out early only to get on his bike and settle for a comfortable points win when it doesn't happen straight away.
posted on 7/6/12
electric_boogaloo
for those saying haye isn't a disgrace, i'm sure it was him that threw the first punch in the press conference with chisora and he was holding a bottle at the time.
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So what would you have done?
posted on 7/6/12
Mattyp
I agree that Haye has talked himself up massively without producing alot. But other than Wlad, who in this division would beat him?
I think he will wipe the floor with Chisora, and as you said previously, he would probably take it against Vitali.
What's your opinion on the Haye-Valuev fight? Surely he deserves credit for that?
posted on 7/6/12
He did everything at Cruiserweight. beating Mormeck in France was no mean feat.
He is too small to be a devastating heavyweight, but the division was weak and Haye with his talk, livened it up. sadly, he didn't back these words up in the ring against Vlad... and made a bit of an idiot of himself in the process.
I think in a years time Price would beat him, he's a talented boxer with real size and presence. i would love to see Haye vs Price and Haye vs Fury ( I think he would beat Fury). These are big fights and big pay days for Haye rather than this Chisora farce.
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