imagine we didnt sign a LB, we would be in a mess if evra got injured but then again giggs and evans can play LB too
In fantasy world I'd much prefer us to get ripped off by Bayern for Alaba than ripped off by Everton for Baines.
One could be worth more in the future even if we are ripped off now, one could be amongst the worlds elite players in his position, one could help close the gap forming with the really top club in the future, one could give 10 years of service, one is more versatile, and one is probably unavailable...D'OH!
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Everyone recommending Alaba - Yes i'm sure he's talented, but in reality the majority of people have only seen him play in a handful of champions league games.
We don't want a young player who can give 10 years of service - we already have Fabio for that. Baines would be a ready made, experienced, and I think very good replacement.
Baines best option, PL proven, deadly freekicks and corners.
As long as we don't pay more than 12 million it'll be great signing
Noone can persuade me Baines would be a good buy at the money talked about, especially if the aim is to close the gap on the worlds elite clubs, and I do think he's one of the better prem LBs for sure.
Yes he'd strengthen the squad depth at LB, but that's not too hard. He's already 28 this year, wont be a guaranteed starter, and when he does replace Evra as that definite starter he wont be as good as we had. A bit like when he eventually replaces Ashley Cole and briefly becomes a regular international in his 30s.
I really can't label him a 'great' signing. He would be an expensive, solid, relatively short term signing.
Sweet pea - "A solid, relatively short term signing"
Let's ignore your backhand insult of Baines as only a "Solid" player because many others on this site have told you how wrong you are about this already.
Let's in fact look at your claim that he would be a "short term signing", I honestly think that's all we need. We have Fabio, who is set to be one of the leading Full/Wing backs of the near future. Why would we spend about £10 million extra securing Alaba when we have a ready made long term replacement in Fabio?
£15 million is a decent return for 4-5 years service allowing Fabio to be phased in soon enough.
Too many people have the idea that as soon as a player hits 30 he needs to be euthanized.
We'd get a good 5 years out of Baines.
To throw my hat in the ring Baines signing doesn't inspire me either. Going forward he is good but so is evra. Remember Baines is the man who showed Robben on to his left foot in the any for England. Friends or not that's just bad defending
I like the look of Baines, reminds me a bit of Irwin who I loved.
Meant to say friendly or not.
As for fryers going its getting a bit repetitive now. Young talent being allowed to run down their contract then
pimp themselves off to the highest bidder leaving us looking like amateurs. And its no good clinging to the hope they won't be good enough. They have come through our youth system and we have wanted them to stay.
Many players came through our youth ranks. Not many are at Utd or top sides.
I think baines is now better than Evra. Evra, along with Park, are passed it. We need Baines now as he would be an improvement than what we have already.
comment by Park Ji (Hoggard) Sung (U13708)
posted 19 hours, 35 minutes ago
Sweet pea - "A solid, relatively short term signing"
Let's ignore your backhand insult of Baines as only a "Solid" player because many others on this site have told you how wrong you are about this already.
Let's in fact look at your claim that he would be a "short term signing", I honestly think that's all we need. We have Fabio, who is set to be one of the leading Full/Wing backs of the near future. Why would we spend about £10 million extra securing Alaba when we have a ready made long term replacement in Fabio?
£15 million is a decent return for 4-5 years service allowing Fabio to be phased in soon enough.
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What are you talking about? There are lots of people who arent that keen on us getting Baines, and there are lots of people who are. To suggest you are 100% right and everyone else is wrong is frankly immature, not to mention arrogant.
I wasnt giving Baines a backhanded compliment. He is a solid prem performer. He's one of the best prem LBs for sure, I've said this often, and our squad would be improved. I've just said I'm not keen on spending the money reported for a player that IMO doesnt close the gap with the really elite sides in the world (of which we should be one on the pitch) either short term or long term. He wouldnt be guaranteed as a starter next season whatever you think of Evra, so it's a lot of cash if as reported for short term back up / competition without any longer term development benefits. For those saying Baines would easily give 5 years of service at 28 this year, then why is Evra supposedly declining so much at 31 and needs replacing.
You need to not get so upset because someone disagrees with you on something, and you also need to not be so black and white about things i.e. just because someone isnt keen on a signing, it doesn't mean they think the player is bad. There are a lot of factors involved to form different peoples opinions.
PS Clint Dempsey could arguably be used as a loose comparison. He is a really good solid prem performer, one of the best attacking mids in the prem, and can play deep lying forward, or even wide. He would improve the squad depth, not stop any youth development etc etc. However would I want United buying him for 15m plus? No. Why? For many of the same reasons I'm not keen on Baines and it wont help us close the gap that's opened out on the pitch with the elite clubs of Europe either short term or long term.
BTW Park Ji - You've actually missed the whole point of what I was saying anyway in your haste to get fire off.
I wasn't saying Baines would be a "A solid, relatively short term signing" as a criticism, I was just summing up what I think would be a decent description of his signing, and I added expensive in on the assumption it was the £15m plus reported by many i.e. He is definitely a solid consistent performer. The buy would be relatively short term, which you agreed with, and 15m plus if accurately reported would be expensive imo.
I also dont have an issue if we make a relatively short term term signing, but the other factors that then become important are things like the price. If in Baines case we paid £8m for arguments sake then that would lead you to a very different view of how good a buy it was compared to if for example we paid £16m, but the players talent would still be the same in either scenario. However the players talent is a factor people might feed into their overall view.
Finally, in the perfect world I'd like us to have young, middle aged, and older performers to keep the conveyor belt going and breed consistency in our squad over the years. SAF normally is great at doing this but our squad has got a bit lop sided at the very young and old end e.g. we could have Fabio at the young end, Player X in the 25/26/27 section, and Evra at the 30 plus end. Therefore Baines' age on it's OWN isn't something I'd use to criticise the deal. However it might be a problem for some in conjunction with other factors.
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posted on 6/7/12
imagine we didnt sign a LB, we would be in a mess if evra got injured but then again giggs and evans can play LB too
posted on 6/7/12
Baines will come
posted on 6/7/12
In fantasy world I'd much prefer us to get ripped off by Bayern for Alaba than ripped off by Everton for Baines.
One could be worth more in the future even if we are ripped off now, one could be amongst the worlds elite players in his position, one could help close the gap forming with the really top club in the future, one could give 10 years of service, one is more versatile, and one is probably unavailable...D'OH!
posted on 6/7/12
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posted on 6/7/12
Everyone recommending Alaba - Yes i'm sure he's talented, but in reality the majority of people have only seen him play in a handful of champions league games.
We don't want a young player who can give 10 years of service - we already have Fabio for that. Baines would be a ready made, experienced, and I think very good replacement.
posted on 6/7/12
Baines best option, PL proven, deadly freekicks and corners.
As long as we don't pay more than 12 million it'll be great signing
posted on 6/7/12
Noone can persuade me Baines would be a good buy at the money talked about, especially if the aim is to close the gap on the worlds elite clubs, and I do think he's one of the better prem LBs for sure.
Yes he'd strengthen the squad depth at LB, but that's not too hard. He's already 28 this year, wont be a guaranteed starter, and when he does replace Evra as that definite starter he wont be as good as we had. A bit like when he eventually replaces Ashley Cole and briefly becomes a regular international in his 30s.
I really can't label him a 'great' signing. He would be an expensive, solid, relatively short term signing.
posted on 6/7/12
Sweet pea - "A solid, relatively short term signing"
Let's ignore your backhand insult of Baines as only a "Solid" player because many others on this site have told you how wrong you are about this already.
Let's in fact look at your claim that he would be a "short term signing", I honestly think that's all we need. We have Fabio, who is set to be one of the leading Full/Wing backs of the near future. Why would we spend about £10 million extra securing Alaba when we have a ready made long term replacement in Fabio?
£15 million is a decent return for 4-5 years service allowing Fabio to be phased in soon enough.
posted on 6/7/12
Too many people have the idea that as soon as a player hits 30 he needs to be euthanized.
We'd get a good 5 years out of Baines.
posted on 6/7/12
To throw my hat in the ring Baines signing doesn't inspire me either. Going forward he is good but so is evra. Remember Baines is the man who showed Robben on to his left foot in the any for England. Friends or not that's just bad defending
posted on 6/7/12
I like the look of Baines, reminds me a bit of Irwin who I loved.
posted on 6/7/12
Meant to say friendly or not.
As for fryers going its getting a bit repetitive now. Young talent being allowed to run down their contract then
pimp themselves off to the highest bidder leaving us looking like amateurs. And its no good clinging to the hope they won't be good enough. They have come through our youth system and we have wanted them to stay.
posted on 7/7/12
Many players came through our youth ranks. Not many are at Utd or top sides.
I think baines is now better than Evra. Evra, along with Park, are passed it. We need Baines now as he would be an improvement than what we have already.
posted on 7/7/12
comment by Park Ji (Hoggard) Sung (U13708)
posted 19 hours, 35 minutes ago
Sweet pea - "A solid, relatively short term signing"
Let's ignore your backhand insult of Baines as only a "Solid" player because many others on this site have told you how wrong you are about this already.
Let's in fact look at your claim that he would be a "short term signing", I honestly think that's all we need. We have Fabio, who is set to be one of the leading Full/Wing backs of the near future. Why would we spend about £10 million extra securing Alaba when we have a ready made long term replacement in Fabio?
£15 million is a decent return for 4-5 years service allowing Fabio to be phased in soon enough.
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What are you talking about? There are lots of people who arent that keen on us getting Baines, and there are lots of people who are. To suggest you are 100% right and everyone else is wrong is frankly immature, not to mention arrogant.
I wasnt giving Baines a backhanded compliment. He is a solid prem performer. He's one of the best prem LBs for sure, I've said this often, and our squad would be improved. I've just said I'm not keen on spending the money reported for a player that IMO doesnt close the gap with the really elite sides in the world (of which we should be one on the pitch) either short term or long term. He wouldnt be guaranteed as a starter next season whatever you think of Evra, so it's a lot of cash if as reported for short term back up / competition without any longer term development benefits. For those saying Baines would easily give 5 years of service at 28 this year, then why is Evra supposedly declining so much at 31 and needs replacing.
You need to not get so upset because someone disagrees with you on something, and you also need to not be so black and white about things i.e. just because someone isnt keen on a signing, it doesn't mean they think the player is bad. There are a lot of factors involved to form different peoples opinions.
posted on 7/7/12
PS Clint Dempsey could arguably be used as a loose comparison. He is a really good solid prem performer, one of the best attacking mids in the prem, and can play deep lying forward, or even wide. He would improve the squad depth, not stop any youth development etc etc. However would I want United buying him for 15m plus? No. Why? For many of the same reasons I'm not keen on Baines and it wont help us close the gap that's opened out on the pitch with the elite clubs of Europe either short term or long term.
posted on 7/7/12
BTW Park Ji - You've actually missed the whole point of what I was saying anyway in your haste to get fire off.
I wasn't saying Baines would be a "A solid, relatively short term signing" as a criticism, I was just summing up what I think would be a decent description of his signing, and I added expensive in on the assumption it was the £15m plus reported by many i.e. He is definitely a solid consistent performer. The buy would be relatively short term, which you agreed with, and 15m plus if accurately reported would be expensive imo.
I also dont have an issue if we make a relatively short term term signing, but the other factors that then become important are things like the price. If in Baines case we paid £8m for arguments sake then that would lead you to a very different view of how good a buy it was compared to if for example we paid £16m, but the players talent would still be the same in either scenario. However the players talent is a factor people might feed into their overall view.
Finally, in the perfect world I'd like us to have young, middle aged, and older performers to keep the conveyor belt going and breed consistency in our squad over the years. SAF normally is great at doing this but our squad has got a bit lop sided at the very young and old end e.g. we could have Fabio at the young end, Player X in the 25/26/27 section, and Evra at the 30 plus end. Therefore Baines' age on it's OWN isn't something I'd use to criticise the deal. However it might be a problem for some in conjunction with other factors.
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