Im actually quite concerned.. Suarez won't feature for the first few games leaving only Borini as Bellamy and Carrol are on their way out. We in my opinion need another 2 strikers now that Kuyt has left as well. Are we likely to sign 2 strikers and 2 wingers?
I think it will be Dempsey that we sign. Is Bellamy actually going? All I heard is that Cardiff were interested, nothing more. Rodgers doesn't want him to go. But even if he does, we could have a front three of Dempsey (assuming he signs), Borini and Downing. There's also no guarantee that Carroll will definitely be gone.
Yh but imagine if Suarez or Borini got injured, we wud be very short on firepower. Cant see why he wants to sell Carrol.
Borini can do a lot more than just score goals (even though that's what he's best at) he could move wide if needed.
All in all he's a lot like pipo inzaghi
People need to chill out.
We will be playing 4-3-3 and if you do that you only really need two what you would call 'strikers', 3 at most.
Chelsea's title winning side of 2004-2005 for example, played 4-3-3 and only really had Drogba as a striker, with Kezman as back up (Forssell was 3rd choice, making only 2 appearances, both as a sub in cups)
They had the likes of Cole, Robben, Duff and Gudjohnsen who played the wide attacking roles/inside forwards.
We have Borini and Carroll as the two senior strikers at present.
We have Bellamy, Downing, Suarez, Gerrard, Cole, Sterling all capable of playing the wide/inside forward roles.
If Carroll goes, we will need to replace him, but it is pretty well documented that we are already trying to sign Dempsey who can play in any of the forward positions, so he could actually replace both Bellamy and Carroll.
Arguments could be made about the quality of the back up to an expected front three of Dempsey-Borini-Suarez, but in terms of numbers I would not say we were short.
Rodgers can't be expected to complete a squad in one transfer window. The idea appears to be a few in, and a few out. Then I am sure it will be re-assessed in January depending on how we are doing.
If you play with two 'strikers' then you need at least 4, possibly 5 in your squad. But as we will only really be playing with 1, we don't need those numbers. Look at Lukaku last season for example at Chelsea, barely played a game because Drogba and Torres were always ahead of him, playing for one spot.
Gudjohnsen was a striker and played quite often upfront.
You need at least 3 in a squad
I still think that there are going to be 3 or 4 more signings to come and Atleast 1 will be a striker, maybe even 2 if AC goes.
Why is someone concerned about Susrez missing any games? He's had his holidays, so there is no need for one after the games finish on the 11 of August and the training and games he will get in the Olyimpic's will be more than enough of a pre-season for him!
This need for direct balls into the box is something that many people have explained as the reason why Rodgers might not want Andy in his plans of a more fluid and progessive attacking style.
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I disagree with this. If you look at all of Carroll's goals so far for Liverpool(granted there aren't that many) 11 in total, only 3 were from headers, against Man City season before last, and against Blackburn and Everton last season. The rest of his goals haven't.
I think it's becoming a fallacy perpetuated by the media and some of our own fans that he can't play football and be involved in pass and move. Technically he's no Zlatan but he's no Kevin Davies either. He can play football. he can hold the ball up and link up with players.
Our team isn't going to turn into Barcelona over the summer, far from it. It will takes time for BR's philosophy to become second nature to some of our players. Some players will pick it up straight away, Gerrard, Suarez, Aquilani, Henderson, Cole because they ate good technical footballers. Others will need to learn and have it drilled into them. There's no reason why Carroll can't learn a role in this philosophy. Plus he gives us a plan B of hoofball.
Gudjohnsen was a striker and played quite often upfront.
You need at least 3 in a squad
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Not in that season he didn't, because that is not how Mourinho played.
Drogba was up front, and Gudjohnsen competed with the rest for the other spots (and often played in midfield too).
Gudjohnsen was a striker plenty of times in his career, but was not used as a striker much under Mourinho.
^^they didn't eat good technical footballers
Plus he gives us a plan B of hoofball.
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I don't understand fans obsession with having a plan B.
Good football teams don't need a plan B, they just have to have an excellent plan A and players capable of carrying that out.
How many successful teams over the years have played a certain style, and then suddenly changed style when another player comes on as sub? I can't think of any.
You can have different types of player who provide a different threat, but the style of play remains the same.
Rodgers (seemingly) feels that Carroll is not capable of playing in that style (or at least not as well as other players that he can sign with the money from selling Carroll).
You don't keep a player on big money just because they might be handy to launch the ball up to in the last 5 minutes. Rodgers is obviously not intending to use Carroll much, so it is best for the club, and for his career, that he goes to a club that is going to use him.
I know some people still think this is all media rubbish, but I just can't see it when the story has gone on this long and every media outlet is running it and Alan Pardew has gone on record of saying he is trying to get Carroll back.
Righteous1 I was actually joking because people only think we can play hoofball with Carroll in the team.
I should have added a wink
comment by righteous1 (U7048)
posted 15 minutes ago
Gudjohnsen was a striker and played quite often upfront.
You need at least 3 in a squad
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Not in that season he didn't, because that is not how Mourinho played.
Drogba was up front, and Gudjohnsen competed with the rest for the other spots (and often played in midfield too).
Gudjohnsen was a striker plenty of times in his career, but was not used as a striker much under Mourinho.
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The first time Gudjohnsen played in midfield was in the cc final (against pool in mid-marchish-towards the end of the season)
He was our 2nd/3rd choice striker.
When we started the season we had drogba, gudjohnsen, mutu (he was sacked after a month or so) and kezman.
Forsell was on loan most of that season and I can only remember him playing a couple of times once the title was wrapped up
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posted on 17/7/12
Im actually quite concerned.. Suarez won't feature for the first few games leaving only Borini as Bellamy and Carrol are on their way out. We in my opinion need another 2 strikers now that Kuyt has left as well. Are we likely to sign 2 strikers and 2 wingers?
posted on 17/7/12
I think it will be Dempsey that we sign. Is Bellamy actually going? All I heard is that Cardiff were interested, nothing more. Rodgers doesn't want him to go. But even if he does, we could have a front three of Dempsey (assuming he signs), Borini and Downing. There's also no guarantee that Carroll will definitely be gone.
posted on 17/7/12
Yh but imagine if Suarez or Borini got injured, we wud be very short on firepower. Cant see why he wants to sell Carrol.
posted on 17/7/12
Borini can do a lot more than just score goals (even though that's what he's best at) he could move wide if needed.
All in all he's a lot like pipo inzaghi
posted on 17/7/12
People need to chill out.
We will be playing 4-3-3 and if you do that you only really need two what you would call 'strikers', 3 at most.
Chelsea's title winning side of 2004-2005 for example, played 4-3-3 and only really had Drogba as a striker, with Kezman as back up (Forssell was 3rd choice, making only 2 appearances, both as a sub in cups)
They had the likes of Cole, Robben, Duff and Gudjohnsen who played the wide attacking roles/inside forwards.
We have Borini and Carroll as the two senior strikers at present.
We have Bellamy, Downing, Suarez, Gerrard, Cole, Sterling all capable of playing the wide/inside forward roles.
If Carroll goes, we will need to replace him, but it is pretty well documented that we are already trying to sign Dempsey who can play in any of the forward positions, so he could actually replace both Bellamy and Carroll.
Arguments could be made about the quality of the back up to an expected front three of Dempsey-Borini-Suarez, but in terms of numbers I would not say we were short.
Rodgers can't be expected to complete a squad in one transfer window. The idea appears to be a few in, and a few out. Then I am sure it will be re-assessed in January depending on how we are doing.
If you play with two 'strikers' then you need at least 4, possibly 5 in your squad. But as we will only really be playing with 1, we don't need those numbers. Look at Lukaku last season for example at Chelsea, barely played a game because Drogba and Torres were always ahead of him, playing for one spot.
posted on 17/7/12
Gudjohnsen was a striker and played quite often upfront.
You need at least 3 in a squad
posted on 17/7/12
I still think that there are going to be 3 or 4 more signings to come and Atleast 1 will be a striker, maybe even 2 if AC goes.
Why is someone concerned about Susrez missing any games? He's had his holidays, so there is no need for one after the games finish on the 11 of August and the training and games he will get in the Olyimpic's will be more than enough of a pre-season for him!
posted on 17/7/12
This need for direct balls into the box is something that many people have explained as the reason why Rodgers might not want Andy in his plans of a more fluid and progessive attacking style.
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I disagree with this. If you look at all of Carroll's goals so far for Liverpool(granted there aren't that many) 11 in total, only 3 were from headers, against Man City season before last, and against Blackburn and Everton last season. The rest of his goals haven't.
I think it's becoming a fallacy perpetuated by the media and some of our own fans that he can't play football and be involved in pass and move. Technically he's no Zlatan but he's no Kevin Davies either. He can play football. he can hold the ball up and link up with players.
Our team isn't going to turn into Barcelona over the summer, far from it. It will takes time for BR's philosophy to become second nature to some of our players. Some players will pick it up straight away, Gerrard, Suarez, Aquilani, Henderson, Cole because they ate good technical footballers. Others will need to learn and have it drilled into them. There's no reason why Carroll can't learn a role in this philosophy. Plus he gives us a plan B of hoofball.
posted on 17/7/12
Gudjohnsen was a striker and played quite often upfront.
You need at least 3 in a squad
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Not in that season he didn't, because that is not how Mourinho played.
Drogba was up front, and Gudjohnsen competed with the rest for the other spots (and often played in midfield too).
Gudjohnsen was a striker plenty of times in his career, but was not used as a striker much under Mourinho.
posted on 17/7/12
^^they didn't eat good technical footballers
posted on 17/7/12
Plus he gives us a plan B of hoofball.
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I don't understand fans obsession with having a plan B.
Good football teams don't need a plan B, they just have to have an excellent plan A and players capable of carrying that out.
How many successful teams over the years have played a certain style, and then suddenly changed style when another player comes on as sub? I can't think of any.
You can have different types of player who provide a different threat, but the style of play remains the same.
Rodgers (seemingly) feels that Carroll is not capable of playing in that style (or at least not as well as other players that he can sign with the money from selling Carroll).
You don't keep a player on big money just because they might be handy to launch the ball up to in the last 5 minutes. Rodgers is obviously not intending to use Carroll much, so it is best for the club, and for his career, that he goes to a club that is going to use him.
I know some people still think this is all media rubbish, but I just can't see it when the story has gone on this long and every media outlet is running it and Alan Pardew has gone on record of saying he is trying to get Carroll back.
posted on 17/7/12
Righteous1 I was actually joking because people only think we can play hoofball with Carroll in the team.
posted on 17/7/12
I should have added a wink
posted on 17/7/12
Fair enough Fat Jan.
posted on 17/7/12
comment by righteous1 (U7048)
posted 15 minutes ago
Gudjohnsen was a striker and played quite often upfront.
You need at least 3 in a squad
--------
Not in that season he didn't, because that is not how Mourinho played.
Drogba was up front, and Gudjohnsen competed with the rest for the other spots (and often played in midfield too).
Gudjohnsen was a striker plenty of times in his career, but was not used as a striker much under Mourinho.
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The first time Gudjohnsen played in midfield was in the cc final (against pool in mid-marchish-towards the end of the season)
He was our 2nd/3rd choice striker.
When we started the season we had drogba, gudjohnsen, mutu (he was sacked after a month or so) and kezman.
Forsell was on loan most of that season and I can only remember him playing a couple of times once the title was wrapped up
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