i think that if we did sign rvp we would be looking at this sort of team in general:
===============de gea
==jones====vidic=======ferdinand===evra
==========kagawa====carrick
==nani==========rooney=========young
================rvp
As for the original post, there's no way I'd want us to sell Rooney and sign RVP.
Rooney is 26, approaching his peak years and scored 35 goals from a deep striking position last season which is an unbelievable achievement while RVP turns 29 in just over a week so it just wouldn't make sense to me.
Chelsea Way (and everyone else that wants to know)
This is RVP's appearance record over his 8 seasons at Arsenal - 279 games.
This is Rooney's appearance record for United in 8 seasons at our club - 366 games.
RVP in his first 2/3 seasons had to compete for places with Henry/Bergkamp and Adebayor while Rooney was a guaranteed starter almost from day 1.
There's not much in it!
also i dont see why we would have to sell rooney in the first place. why not keep him and put him just behind rvp ???
kagawa can slot into cm and play the passes through to rvp give the ball to the wingers where we look dangerous at times and into rooney.
Kagawa is a better playmaker than Rooney. He's also better at retaining the ball than Rooney when he gets closed down and has greater ability at getting out of tight spaces. Granted Rooney scores a lot more goals from this position but we need to keep possession better this season and with Kagawa in the team, we'll certainly do that.
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reddevil84 (U13790)
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Jones
kagawa is not a midfielder.
jones or rafael but personally i think jones might do well there and i also think kagawa might be better there than in am.
If Rooney wasn't entering his so called peak years and RVP wasn't leaving his behind, then i'd say - yes! As of yet, it would make no sence. What i would consider is United bringing Van Persie in as a first pick over Rooney for a season or two, depending on the set-up of the team!
What i would consider is United bringing Van Persie in as a first pick over Rooney for a season or two, depending on the set-up of the team!
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I would never consider this, and I very much doubt SAF woud either.
I do not care what anyone says, United are a better team when Rooney is in it than they are when he is not.
Sometimes I have to question if some of our posters actually watch our games, or just a five minute highlight reel.
On what basis do you think Kagawa will be better in midfield? He has played his career as a number 10 or an inside left. The only reason you put him in midfield is to accomodate Roonay and RVP.
so what if he has played his career as a nuber 10 ??? what difference does that make to him playing in cm or not ???? rooney and rvp would be a good pairing as a start yes but also i can just see kagawa creating more from cm.
VC
I completely agree with you that we play better with Rooney in than out but who's to say that with Kagawa and RVP in the team instead of Rooney and whoever Kagawa would replace wouldn't be better?
I'd keep Rooney if given the choice but i'm sure we'd be fine if he did leave (as long as we used the money to replace him well)
RVP will still be a great striker in his thirties provided he stays fit.
RvP has always been better, he's just in and out with injury too often
this would be a silly gamble though considering age, injury record, and having to settle.
VC
Sometimes I have to question if some of our posters actually watch our games, or just a five minute highlight reel.
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Don't think i've missed many United games since the late 80's!
At present Van Persie is more of a goal threat than Rooney but not to say in time to come Rooney will learn not to come too deep to collect the ball conserving his energy for what he's on the pitch to do. Something i'm sure he'll understand in time!
who's to say that with Kagawa and RVP in the team instead of Rooney and whoever Kagawa would replace wouldn't be better?
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Would you be prepared to gamble on it, given RVP's track record with injuries?
Rooney, despite the justified caveats, has been are most important player every season since Ronaldo left. I've argued once or twice that Rooney's effectiveness as a second striker can be a problem, kind of pushing us to play 442. To this end, bringing in Kagawa (and hypothetically RVP) is very positive because it reduces out reliance on Rooney as creator and goal scorer. That said, it would be madness to replace a younger player who is integrated into our team with an older player who has had more injuries and scored fewer goals over the last 5 years. Madness I say!
He's played his career as a number 10, meaning managers have looked at his abilities and thought: he should play as a number 10. Managers who are far more qualified to pick teams than we are. He we also need to learn a whole new skill set to play midfield, as he isn't a midfielder.
Rooney and RVP would be a good pairing? You don't know that. RVP has played his only great season as a lone striker (arguably a false 9), and Rooney operates in the same space RVP operated in so effectively last year.
VC
Like I said earlier RVP has a fairly similar record of playing time with Rooney. The injuries issue has been overblown.
Rooney offers goals and creativity but in some ways its dangerous to rely on one player for both.
With Kagawa and RVP (who has one of the best assists records in PL history) we'd have 2 players to share the responsibility and would make us less reliant on a player who on his day is amazing but when he has an off game it brings the level of the team right down.
Rooney, despite the justified caveats, has been are most important player every season since Ronaldo left. I've argued once or twice that Rooney's effectiveness as a second striker can be a problem, kind of pushing us to play 442. To this end, bringing in Kagawa (and hypothetically RVP) is very positive because it reduces out reliance on Rooney as creator and goal scorer. That said, it would be madness to replace a younger player who is integrated into our team with an older player who has had more injuries and scored fewer goals over the last 5 years. Madness I say!
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RSC
RVP really is not that much more a goal threat. Another thing to remember is RVP is suited to Arsenals style of play, not ours.
And I would not really want to see us try and play the Arsenal way.
VC
Van Persie plays a more counter attacking style with Holland which is very similar to ours and he has been very successful with them. He had a fairly poor Euro's but you could say that was just as much about the awful defence they had (and Rooney was hardly any better). Van Persie scored a stunning goal against Germany that any United supporter could appreciate.
omment by funrob - Carrickschin (U9808)
posted 33 minutes ago
VC
Like I said earlier RVP has a fairly similar record of playing time with Rooney. The injuries issue has been overblown.
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Nonsense, Rooney almost has as many league appearances for United as Van Persie has total appearances for Arsenal in the same amount of time.
Oh god another one of your ridiculous Rooney bashing articles
VC
RVP really is not that much more a goal threat. Another thing to remember is RVP is suited to Arsenals style of play, not ours.
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I'd say Arsenal are the nearest team in the PL that play more to our style i.e keeping it low, based on the counter. Probably could count Swansea & Spurs in that bracket too!
Let's face it, any top striker in Europe would flourish in our team!
I actually agree with this article to some extent! We would easily command a big fee for Rooney, who in my opinion is not this great martyr that most of our supporters claim he is. The guy has been playing poor for the majority of two years but has been hiding behind the goals he scores! His body language at times indicates that he thinks he's the best thing since sliced bread. I still will not forgive him for that silly stunt he pulled in 2010 trying to hold the club to ransom and questioning the club's direction (baring in mind this was a time in his career where his general play was abysmal at best). If RvP comes and Rooney stays it will be interesting to see how this brat reacts to not being top dog for once!
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posted on 29/7/12
i think that if we did sign rvp we would be looking at this sort of team in general:
===============de gea
==jones====vidic=======ferdinand===evra
==========kagawa====carrick
==nani==========rooney=========young
================rvp
posted on 29/7/12
As for the original post, there's no way I'd want us to sell Rooney and sign RVP.
Rooney is 26, approaching his peak years and scored 35 goals from a deep striking position last season which is an unbelievable achievement while RVP turns 29 in just over a week so it just wouldn't make sense to me.
posted on 29/7/12
Chelsea Way (and everyone else that wants to know)
This is RVP's appearance record over his 8 seasons at Arsenal - 279 games.
This is Rooney's appearance record for United in 8 seasons at our club - 366 games.
RVP in his first 2/3 seasons had to compete for places with Henry/Bergkamp and Adebayor while Rooney was a guaranteed starter almost from day 1.
There's not much in it!
posted on 29/7/12
also i dont see why we would have to sell rooney in the first place. why not keep him and put him just behind rvp ???
kagawa can slot into cm and play the passes through to rvp give the ball to the wingers where we look dangerous at times and into rooney.
posted on 29/7/12
Kagawa is a better playmaker than Rooney. He's also better at retaining the ball than Rooney when he gets closed down and has greater ability at getting out of tight spaces. Granted Rooney scores a lot more goals from this position but we need to keep possession better this season and with Kagawa in the team, we'll certainly do that.
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reddevil84 (U13790)
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Jones
kagawa is not a midfielder.
posted on 29/7/12
jones or rafael but personally i think jones might do well there and i also think kagawa might be better there than in am.
posted on 29/7/12
If Rooney wasn't entering his so called peak years and RVP wasn't leaving his behind, then i'd say - yes! As of yet, it would make no sence. What i would consider is United bringing Van Persie in as a first pick over Rooney for a season or two, depending on the set-up of the team!
posted on 29/7/12
What i would consider is United bringing Van Persie in as a first pick over Rooney for a season or two, depending on the set-up of the team!
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I would never consider this, and I very much doubt SAF woud either.
I do not care what anyone says, United are a better team when Rooney is in it than they are when he is not.
Sometimes I have to question if some of our posters actually watch our games, or just a five minute highlight reel.
posted on 29/7/12
On what basis do you think Kagawa will be better in midfield? He has played his career as a number 10 or an inside left. The only reason you put him in midfield is to accomodate Roonay and RVP.
posted on 29/7/12
so what if he has played his career as a nuber 10 ??? what difference does that make to him playing in cm or not ???? rooney and rvp would be a good pairing as a start yes but also i can just see kagawa creating more from cm.
posted on 29/7/12
VC
I completely agree with you that we play better with Rooney in than out but who's to say that with Kagawa and RVP in the team instead of Rooney and whoever Kagawa would replace wouldn't be better?
I'd keep Rooney if given the choice but i'm sure we'd be fine if he did leave (as long as we used the money to replace him well)
posted on 29/7/12
RVP will still be a great striker in his thirties provided he stays fit.
posted on 29/7/12
RvP has always been better, he's just in and out with injury too often
this would be a silly gamble though considering age, injury record, and having to settle.
posted on 29/7/12
VC
Sometimes I have to question if some of our posters actually watch our games, or just a five minute highlight reel.
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Don't think i've missed many United games since the late 80's!
At present Van Persie is more of a goal threat than Rooney but not to say in time to come Rooney will learn not to come too deep to collect the ball conserving his energy for what he's on the pitch to do. Something i'm sure he'll understand in time!
posted on 29/7/12
who's to say that with Kagawa and RVP in the team instead of Rooney and whoever Kagawa would replace wouldn't be better?
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Would you be prepared to gamble on it, given RVP's track record with injuries?
posted on 29/7/12
Rooney, despite the justified caveats, has been are most important player every season since Ronaldo left. I've argued once or twice that Rooney's effectiveness as a second striker can be a problem, kind of pushing us to play 442. To this end, bringing in Kagawa (and hypothetically RVP) is very positive because it reduces out reliance on Rooney as creator and goal scorer. That said, it would be madness to replace a younger player who is integrated into our team with an older player who has had more injuries and scored fewer goals over the last 5 years. Madness I say!
posted on 29/7/12
He's played his career as a number 10, meaning managers have looked at his abilities and thought: he should play as a number 10. Managers who are far more qualified to pick teams than we are. He we also need to learn a whole new skill set to play midfield, as he isn't a midfielder.
Rooney and RVP would be a good pairing? You don't know that. RVP has played his only great season as a lone striker (arguably a false 9), and Rooney operates in the same space RVP operated in so effectively last year.
posted on 29/7/12
VC
Like I said earlier RVP has a fairly similar record of playing time with Rooney. The injuries issue has been overblown.
Rooney offers goals and creativity but in some ways its dangerous to rely on one player for both.
With Kagawa and RVP (who has one of the best assists records in PL history) we'd have 2 players to share the responsibility and would make us less reliant on a player who on his day is amazing but when he has an off game it brings the level of the team right down.
posted on 29/7/12
Rooney, despite the justified caveats, has been are most important player every season since Ronaldo left. I've argued once or twice that Rooney's effectiveness as a second striker can be a problem, kind of pushing us to play 442. To this end, bringing in Kagawa (and hypothetically RVP) is very positive because it reduces out reliance on Rooney as creator and goal scorer. That said, it would be madness to replace a younger player who is integrated into our team with an older player who has had more injuries and scored fewer goals over the last 5 years. Madness I say!
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^^^This
posted on 29/7/12
RSC
RVP really is not that much more a goal threat. Another thing to remember is RVP is suited to Arsenals style of play, not ours.
And I would not really want to see us try and play the Arsenal way.
posted on 29/7/12
VC
Van Persie plays a more counter attacking style with Holland which is very similar to ours and he has been very successful with them. He had a fairly poor Euro's but you could say that was just as much about the awful defence they had (and Rooney was hardly any better). Van Persie scored a stunning goal against Germany that any United supporter could appreciate.
posted on 29/7/12
omment by funrob - Carrickschin (U9808)
posted 33 minutes ago
VC
Like I said earlier RVP has a fairly similar record of playing time with Rooney. The injuries issue has been overblown.
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Nonsense, Rooney almost has as many league appearances for United as Van Persie has total appearances for Arsenal in the same amount of time.
posted on 29/7/12
Oh god another one of your ridiculous Rooney bashing articles
posted on 29/7/12
VC
RVP really is not that much more a goal threat. Another thing to remember is RVP is suited to Arsenals style of play, not ours.
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I'd say Arsenal are the nearest team in the PL that play more to our style i.e keeping it low, based on the counter. Probably could count Swansea & Spurs in that bracket too!
Let's face it, any top striker in Europe would flourish in our team!
posted on 29/7/12
I actually agree with this article to some extent! We would easily command a big fee for Rooney, who in my opinion is not this great martyr that most of our supporters claim he is. The guy has been playing poor for the majority of two years but has been hiding behind the goals he scores! His body language at times indicates that he thinks he's the best thing since sliced bread. I still will not forgive him for that silly stunt he pulled in 2010 trying to hold the club to ransom and questioning the club's direction (baring in mind this was a time in his career where his general play was abysmal at best). If RvP comes and Rooney stays it will be interesting to see how this brat reacts to not being top dog for once!
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