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Phillips Schofield I am sure has a part to play in timecube. It is all becoming clear.

Taken from:
http://www.y-origins.com/index.php?p=beginning4
The second law of thermodynamics also predicts a beginning to the universe. You say you don’t know the second law of thermodynamics? Think again.
Let’s say you come into a room containing me and a bunch of your other pals, and you find a steaming cup of Starbucks coffee on the table. Being the thoughtful individual that you are, you ask, “Does this belong to anyone?”
To which I reply, “It’s been there for the last month.”
Well, you’d know immediately I was wrong or lying (probably lying). Why? Because the coffee wouldn’t still be hot if it had been there for a month; it would be room temperature.
That’s the second law of thermodynamics in action. This law states that everything continually moves from a state of order to disorder and that heat and energy dissipate over time. This is a law that has been verified by proof after scientific proof and has never been shown to be wrong.
Now let’s apply this law to the universe, just as cosmologists have. If the universe were eternal, it would have gone cold and lifeless long ago. The stars would have burned out. Planets would have broken up into clouds of dust. And even the black holes would have ceased vacuuming the universe of unsightly stars and planets.
When you see flaming suns and scorching meteors, in other words, you’re looking at a steaming cup of coffee that over infinite time would have long since gone room temperature. Since the universe is still full of pockets of heat and energy, it cannot be eternal. Who would have thought heat would be such a helpful clue? And that is just the half of it.

Taken from same site:

1. Everything that has a beginning had a cause.
2. The universe had a beginning.
3. Therefore, the universe had a cause.
But admitting a cause leads to the next logical question: who or what is the cause?
Think about it for a minute. Since time, space, matter, and motion are all a part of the created universe, then before the beginning it was timeless, spaceless, and motionless.
What can happen spontaneously from this state of affairs? There’s nothing moving, there’s nothing colliding, there’s … well, nothing. Not even the potential for anything to happen.

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What do you think about the thermodynamic piece ?

I think the interest has cooled in that metro.

But do the laws of physics hold true at a singularity like the big bang? There are inconsistencies between classical physics and quantum physics. So some of our laws may be incorrect.

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shall we have a vote now then ?

shall we have a vote now then ?

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Sure

I vote - universe had a start point

I put that down to the notion that the universe is expanding and also because most theories that support an infinite universe have so far... fell flat

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You can't get something from nothing right?

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as far as our knowledge goes and the limit of our research - that is the only logical conclusion that can be made.

Something external to our space/time continuum

I put that down to the notion that the universe is expanding and also because most theories that support an infinite universe have so far... fell flat
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But if the universe is expanding, what is it expanding into?

How big is infinity? Hilbert's hotel is an interesting study on the size of infinity.

i thought the vote was going to be

a) there's no supreme being or force
b) there's a god who looks like an old man
c) there's some other god or force which doesnt look like an old man

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late crashing on the thread again

Metro, Cause and effect is a law of classical physics - it mayor may not apply fully to quantum physics, however - when the universe was formed, the laws of physics were formed with it - upto that point there were a probably a different set of rules, the laws of physics dont transcend the Big Bang (and as mentioned above, Singularities) so maybe in that case "Cause and Effect" possibly didnt exist - its impossible for us to get our heads round it, as our brains dont work that way

Nice crash

i like crashing

Hi oddiY

FSB

The expanding universe can be compared to 2 points on an elastic substance, say a balloon. As you stretch the balloon the gap between both points gets bigger as do the 2 points. It doesnt matter what's outside the ballon - it still stretches

sometimes noone's to blame. shiitt just happens.

BBC did a fantastic 2 part documentary called Everything & Nothing.

Well worth 2 hours of your life.

I have much to contribute to this thread

I need to run and eat first though

I will return

Liq