comment by LukaBrasi 🇮🇹 COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Spurs-To Dream is to Dare (U12707)
posted about a minute ago
Emerson does need competition but his competition needs a bit more than just being a good crosser.
We need more in the attacking sense. Really Can’t endure more of Tripps.
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Would you be happy if we brought Adama Traoure and Conte made him into a full back? Against teams who sit like Watford today he could come in handy.
The price has to be right though. No more than £30m for me. That's a fair price but I'm in two minds. He is a risky one.
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That wouldn’t be a bad shout if he had the defensive capabilities. Watching our last 2 games clearly shows we need more in the attacking sense from our flanks.
We hardly create anything with teams defending with low blocks.
Thankful for the win but that game exposed a lot of weaknesses in the team
comment by Spurs-To Dream is to Dare (U12707)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by LukaBrasi 🇮🇹 COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Spurs-To Dream is to Dare (U12707)
posted about a minute ago
Emerson does need competition but his competition needs a bit more than just being a good crosser.
We need more in the attacking sense. Really Can’t endure more of Tripps.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Would you be happy if we brought Adama Traoure and Conte made him into a full back? Against teams who sit like Watford today he could come in handy.
The price has to be right though. No more than £30m for me. That's a fair price but I'm in two minds. He is a risky one.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That wouldn’t be a bad shout if he had the defensive capabilities. Watching our last 2 games clearly shows we need more in the attacking sense from our flanks.
We hardly create anything with teams defending with low blocks.
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Spending £30m+ on a player you want to convert into a wingback who may or may not make it in that role is crazy. This sort of thing only makes sense with players already at the club.
comment by Brother (U20548)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by Spurs-To Dream is to Dare (U12707)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by LukaBrasi 🇮🇹 COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Spurs-To Dream is to Dare (U12707)
posted about a minute ago
Emerson does need competition but his competition needs a bit more than just being a good crosser.
We need more in the attacking sense. Really Can’t endure more of Tripps.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Would you be happy if we brought Adama Traoure and Conte made him into a full back? Against teams who sit like Watford today he could come in handy.
The price has to be right though. No more than £30m for me. That's a fair price but I'm in two minds. He is a risky one.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That wouldn’t be a bad shout if he had the defensive capabilities. Watching our last 2 games clearly shows we need more in the attacking sense from our flanks.
We hardly create anything with teams defending with low blocks.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spending £30m+ on a player you want to convert into a wingback who may or may not make it in that role is crazy. This sort of thing only makes sense with players already at the club.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah
Ironically, Tripper would be perfect in this set up
Less defending to do and more crossing
Just his game really, however having said that, I'm sure spending a few seasons at Atletico under Simone has done wonders for his defensive game
comment by Brother (U20548)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Spurs-To Dream is to Dare (U12707)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by LukaBrasi 🇮🇹 COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Spurs-To Dream is to Dare (U12707)
posted about a minute ago
Emerson does need competition but his competition needs a bit more than just being a good crosser.
We need more in the attacking sense. Really Can’t endure more of Tripps.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Would you be happy if we brought Adama Traoure and Conte made him into a full back? Against teams who sit like Watford today he could come in handy.
The price has to be right though. No more than £30m for me. That's a fair price but I'm in two minds. He is a risky one.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That wouldn’t be a bad shout if he had the defensive capabilities. Watching our last 2 games clearly shows we need more in the attacking sense from our flanks.
We hardly create anything with teams defending with low blocks.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spending £30m+ on a player you want to convert into a wingback who may or may not make it in that role is crazy. This sort of thing only makes sense with players already at the club.
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We were linked with him previously and I wouldn't be surprised if those links appeared again.
Traore would be a risk no doubt but I would not be looking to convert him but if he was flexible to play that role and be effective why not..
He is clearly better than anyone we have so he would be an improvement. He would draw players to him and give Son and Kane more chances.
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 11 minutes ago
Thankful for the win but that game exposed a lot of weaknesses in the team
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To me itcwad a typical performance fir q side who have played a lot recently. we looked tired, slow in thought and movement. Sort of game you just want to come out of with 3 points. We created enough positions and chances to win easily but final ball and finishing let us down.
I’d rather Saint Maxim than Traore...
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 11 minutes ago
Thankful for the win but that game exposed a lot of weaknesses in the team
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To me itcwad a typical performance fir q side who have played a lot recently. we looked tired, slow in thought and movement. Sort of game you just want to come out of with 3 points. We created enough positions and chances to win easily but final ball and finishing let us down.
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We still lack creativity, goals, and good crossing. Watford showed if they get behind the ball then we don't have many answers to be able to get ahead.
comment by Conn & Duncan..Scottish Legends (U15636)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
I’d rather Saint Maxim than Traore...
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Traore, 0 goals, 0 assists, 50 litres of oil.
Until Monday when he plays us and he'll be unstoppable.
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 11 minutes ago
Thankful for the win but that game exposed a lot of weaknesses in the team
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To me itcwad a typical performance fir q side who have played a lot recently. we looked tired, slow in thought and movement. Sort of game you just want to come out of with 3 points. We created enough positions and chances to win easily but final ball and finishing let us down.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We still lack creativity, goals, and good crossing. Watford showed if they get behind the ball then we don't have many answers to be able to get ahead.
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True but then on the flip side, we looked incredibly creative and class going forward against Liverpool. The issue is we don’t have the player in midfield to unlock a 11 man behind the ball defence like Watford. That’s what we desperately need in Jan. 1 x creative midfielder and 1 x top striker, no more excuses from Levy and the board
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 11 minutes ago
Thankful for the win but that game exposed a lot of weaknesses in the team
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To me itcwad a typical performance fir q side who have played a lot recently. we looked tired, slow in thought and movement. Sort of game you just want to come out of with 3 points. We created enough positions and chances to win easily but final ball and finishing let us down.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We still lack creativity, goals, and good crossing. Watford showed if they get behind the ball then we don't have many answers to be able to get ahead.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
True but then on the flip side, we looked incredibly creative and class going forward against Liverpool. The issue is we don’t have the player in midfield to unlock a 11 man behind the ball defence like Watford. That’s what we desperately need in Jan. 1 x creative midfielder and 1 x top striker, no more excuses from Levy and the board
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Don, a creative midfielder has to be Spurs Number One Priority, even if they have to break their transfer record. Bit like Liverpool had to do when the purchased VVD.
I cannot believe some of our supporters are still rating Winks. Spurs will never progress if he is going to get back in the midfield. OK as a squad player, but that's it.
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 11 minutes ago
Thankful for the win but that game exposed a lot of weaknesses in the team
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To me itcwad a typical performance fir q side who have played a lot recently. we looked tired, slow in thought and movement. Sort of game you just want to come out of with 3 points. We created enough positions and chances to win easily but final ball and finishing let us down.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We still lack creativity, goals, and good crossing. Watford showed if they get behind the ball then we don't have many answers to be able to get ahead.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
True but then on the flip side, we looked incredibly creative and class going forward against Liverpool. The issue is we don’t have the player in midfield to unlock a 11 man behind the ball defence like Watford. That’s what we desperately need in Jan. 1 x creative midfielder and 1 x top striker, no more excuses from Levy and the board
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Don, a creative midfielder has to be Spurs Number One Priority, even if they have to break their transfer record. Bit like Liverpool had to do when the purchased VVD.
I cannot believe some of our supporters are still rating Winks. Spurs will never progress if he is going to get back in the midfield. OK as a squad player, but that's it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agreed, but a striker is also a huge priority for me
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 1 hour, 37 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 11 minutes ago
Thankful for the win but that game exposed a lot of weaknesses in the team
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To me itcwad a typical performance fir q side who have played a lot recently. we looked tired, slow in thought and movement. Sort of game you just want to come out of with 3 points. We created enough positions and chances to win easily but final ball and finishing let us down.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We still lack creativity, goals, and good crossing. Watford showed if they get behind the ball then we don't have many answers to be able to get ahead.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
True but then on the flip side, we looked incredibly creative and class going forward against Liverpool. The issue is we don’t have the player in midfield to unlock a 11 man behind the ball defence like Watford. That’s what we desperately need in Jan. 1 x creative midfielder and 1 x top striker, no more excuses from Levy and the board
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Don, a creative midfielder has to be Spurs Number One Priority, even if they have to break their transfer record. Bit like Liverpool had to do when the purchased VVD.
I cannot believe some of our supporters are still rating Winks. Spurs will never progress if he is going to get back in the midfield. OK as a squad player, but that's it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I have always thought Winks was too lightweight for the Prem.
But I think Conte has upped his level. Winks has played very well in some recent matches, notably against Pool. And it seems Conte will keep him in January.
So get used to seeing Winks, Shipp & Hojbjerg starting.
I am a massive Traore fan and I believe I have seen enough of him to think he could be world class if he played in our team despite his very poor stats.
I would be so excited if we got him!
Doherty and Tanganga come in with Reg on the bench. Dier not in the squad.
comment by MK (U9129)
posted 1 minute ago
Doherty LWB?
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Not sure but seems likely.
https://twitter.com/thespursexpress/status/1478798083848867846?s=21
comment by MK (U9129)
posted less than a minute ago
Sigh
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Good job Reece James isn't playing.
Skipp and Hoj gonna have Jorginho and Sual for breakfast.
I'd have preferred Bryan at lwb
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posted on 1/1/22
comment by LukaBrasi 🇮🇹 COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Spurs-To Dream is to Dare (U12707)
posted about a minute ago
Emerson does need competition but his competition needs a bit more than just being a good crosser.
We need more in the attacking sense. Really Can’t endure more of Tripps.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Would you be happy if we brought Adama Traoure and Conte made him into a full back? Against teams who sit like Watford today he could come in handy.
The price has to be right though. No more than £30m for me. That's a fair price but I'm in two minds. He is a risky one.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That wouldn’t be a bad shout if he had the defensive capabilities. Watching our last 2 games clearly shows we need more in the attacking sense from our flanks.
We hardly create anything with teams defending with low blocks.
posted on 1/1/22
Thankful for the win but that game exposed a lot of weaknesses in the team
posted on 1/1/22
comment by Spurs-To Dream is to Dare (U12707)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by LukaBrasi 🇮🇹 COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Spurs-To Dream is to Dare (U12707)
posted about a minute ago
Emerson does need competition but his competition needs a bit more than just being a good crosser.
We need more in the attacking sense. Really Can’t endure more of Tripps.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Would you be happy if we brought Adama Traoure and Conte made him into a full back? Against teams who sit like Watford today he could come in handy.
The price has to be right though. No more than £30m for me. That's a fair price but I'm in two minds. He is a risky one.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That wouldn’t be a bad shout if he had the defensive capabilities. Watching our last 2 games clearly shows we need more in the attacking sense from our flanks.
We hardly create anything with teams defending with low blocks.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spending £30m+ on a player you want to convert into a wingback who may or may not make it in that role is crazy. This sort of thing only makes sense with players already at the club.
posted on 1/1/22
comment by Brother (U20548)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by Spurs-To Dream is to Dare (U12707)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by LukaBrasi 🇮🇹 COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Spurs-To Dream is to Dare (U12707)
posted about a minute ago
Emerson does need competition but his competition needs a bit more than just being a good crosser.
We need more in the attacking sense. Really Can’t endure more of Tripps.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Would you be happy if we brought Adama Traoure and Conte made him into a full back? Against teams who sit like Watford today he could come in handy.
The price has to be right though. No more than £30m for me. That's a fair price but I'm in two minds. He is a risky one.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That wouldn’t be a bad shout if he had the defensive capabilities. Watching our last 2 games clearly shows we need more in the attacking sense from our flanks.
We hardly create anything with teams defending with low blocks.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spending £30m+ on a player you want to convert into a wingback who may or may not make it in that role is crazy. This sort of thing only makes sense with players already at the club.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah
Ironically, Tripper would be perfect in this set up
Less defending to do and more crossing
Just his game really, however having said that, I'm sure spending a few seasons at Atletico under Simone has done wonders for his defensive game
posted on 1/1/22
comment by Brother (U20548)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Spurs-To Dream is to Dare (U12707)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by LukaBrasi 🇮🇹 COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Spurs-To Dream is to Dare (U12707)
posted about a minute ago
Emerson does need competition but his competition needs a bit more than just being a good crosser.
We need more in the attacking sense. Really Can’t endure more of Tripps.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Would you be happy if we brought Adama Traoure and Conte made him into a full back? Against teams who sit like Watford today he could come in handy.
The price has to be right though. No more than £30m for me. That's a fair price but I'm in two minds. He is a risky one.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That wouldn’t be a bad shout if he had the defensive capabilities. Watching our last 2 games clearly shows we need more in the attacking sense from our flanks.
We hardly create anything with teams defending with low blocks.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spending £30m+ on a player you want to convert into a wingback who may or may not make it in that role is crazy. This sort of thing only makes sense with players already at the club.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We were linked with him previously and I wouldn't be surprised if those links appeared again.
posted on 1/1/22
Traore would be a risk no doubt but I would not be looking to convert him but if he was flexible to play that role and be effective why not..
He is clearly better than anyone we have so he would be an improvement. He would draw players to him and give Son and Kane more chances.
posted on 1/1/22
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 11 minutes ago
Thankful for the win but that game exposed a lot of weaknesses in the team
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To me itcwad a typical performance fir q side who have played a lot recently. we looked tired, slow in thought and movement. Sort of game you just want to come out of with 3 points. We created enough positions and chances to win easily but final ball and finishing let us down.
posted on 1/1/22
* it was
posted on 1/1/22
I’d rather Saint Maxim than Traore...
posted on 1/1/22
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 11 minutes ago
Thankful for the win but that game exposed a lot of weaknesses in the team
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To me itcwad a typical performance fir q side who have played a lot recently. we looked tired, slow in thought and movement. Sort of game you just want to come out of with 3 points. We created enough positions and chances to win easily but final ball and finishing let us down.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We still lack creativity, goals, and good crossing. Watford showed if they get behind the ball then we don't have many answers to be able to get ahead.
posted on 1/1/22
comment by Conn & Duncan..Scottish Legends (U15636)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
I’d rather Saint Maxim than Traore...
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Traore, 0 goals, 0 assists, 50 litres of oil.
Until Monday when he plays us and he'll be unstoppable.
posted on 1/1/22
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 11 minutes ago
Thankful for the win but that game exposed a lot of weaknesses in the team
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To me itcwad a typical performance fir q side who have played a lot recently. we looked tired, slow in thought and movement. Sort of game you just want to come out of with 3 points. We created enough positions and chances to win easily but final ball and finishing let us down.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We still lack creativity, goals, and good crossing. Watford showed if they get behind the ball then we don't have many answers to be able to get ahead.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
True but then on the flip side, we looked incredibly creative and class going forward against Liverpool. The issue is we don’t have the player in midfield to unlock a 11 man behind the ball defence like Watford. That’s what we desperately need in Jan. 1 x creative midfielder and 1 x top striker, no more excuses from Levy and the board
posted on 1/1/22
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 11 minutes ago
Thankful for the win but that game exposed a lot of weaknesses in the team
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To me itcwad a typical performance fir q side who have played a lot recently. we looked tired, slow in thought and movement. Sort of game you just want to come out of with 3 points. We created enough positions and chances to win easily but final ball and finishing let us down.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We still lack creativity, goals, and good crossing. Watford showed if they get behind the ball then we don't have many answers to be able to get ahead.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
True but then on the flip side, we looked incredibly creative and class going forward against Liverpool. The issue is we don’t have the player in midfield to unlock a 11 man behind the ball defence like Watford. That’s what we desperately need in Jan. 1 x creative midfielder and 1 x top striker, no more excuses from Levy and the board
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Don, a creative midfielder has to be Spurs Number One Priority, even if they have to break their transfer record. Bit like Liverpool had to do when the purchased VVD.
I cannot believe some of our supporters are still rating Winks. Spurs will never progress if he is going to get back in the midfield. OK as a squad player, but that's it.
posted on 1/1/22
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 11 minutes ago
Thankful for the win but that game exposed a lot of weaknesses in the team
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To me itcwad a typical performance fir q side who have played a lot recently. we looked tired, slow in thought and movement. Sort of game you just want to come out of with 3 points. We created enough positions and chances to win easily but final ball and finishing let us down.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We still lack creativity, goals, and good crossing. Watford showed if they get behind the ball then we don't have many answers to be able to get ahead.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
True but then on the flip side, we looked incredibly creative and class going forward against Liverpool. The issue is we don’t have the player in midfield to unlock a 11 man behind the ball defence like Watford. That’s what we desperately need in Jan. 1 x creative midfielder and 1 x top striker, no more excuses from Levy and the board
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Don, a creative midfielder has to be Spurs Number One Priority, even if they have to break their transfer record. Bit like Liverpool had to do when the purchased VVD.
I cannot believe some of our supporters are still rating Winks. Spurs will never progress if he is going to get back in the midfield. OK as a squad player, but that's it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agreed, but a striker is also a huge priority for me
posted on 1/1/22
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 1 hour, 37 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 11 minutes ago
Thankful for the win but that game exposed a lot of weaknesses in the team
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To me itcwad a typical performance fir q side who have played a lot recently. we looked tired, slow in thought and movement. Sort of game you just want to come out of with 3 points. We created enough positions and chances to win easily but final ball and finishing let us down.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We still lack creativity, goals, and good crossing. Watford showed if they get behind the ball then we don't have many answers to be able to get ahead.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
True but then on the flip side, we looked incredibly creative and class going forward against Liverpool. The issue is we don’t have the player in midfield to unlock a 11 man behind the ball defence like Watford. That’s what we desperately need in Jan. 1 x creative midfielder and 1 x top striker, no more excuses from Levy and the board
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Don, a creative midfielder has to be Spurs Number One Priority, even if they have to break their transfer record. Bit like Liverpool had to do when the purchased VVD.
I cannot believe some of our supporters are still rating Winks. Spurs will never progress if he is going to get back in the midfield. OK as a squad player, but that's it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I have always thought Winks was too lightweight for the Prem.
But I think Conte has upped his level. Winks has played very well in some recent matches, notably against Pool. And it seems Conte will keep him in January.
So get used to seeing Winks, Shipp & Hojbjerg starting.
posted on 1/1/22
I am a massive Traore fan and I believe I have seen enough of him to think he could be world class if he played in our team despite his very poor stats.
I would be so excited if we got him!
posted on 5/1/22
Doherty and Tanganga come in with Reg on the bench. Dier not in the squad.
posted on 5/1/22
Doherty LWB?
posted on 5/1/22
comment by MK (U9129)
posted 1 minute ago
Doherty LWB?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not sure but seems likely.
posted on 5/1/22
https://twitter.com/thespursexpress/status/1478798083848867846?s=21
posted on 5/1/22
Sigh
posted on 5/1/22
comment by MK (U9129)
posted less than a minute ago
Sigh
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Good job Reece James isn't playing.
posted on 5/1/22
Big Rom in
posted on 5/1/22
Skipp and Hoj gonna have Jorginho and Sual for breakfast.
posted on 5/1/22
I'd have preferred Bryan at lwb
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