There are only really two big clubs in England
Liverpool and United
What constitutes a big club exactly?
I accept Spu ds are a big club is the day a monkey comes out of my butt..
I accept Spu ds are a big club is the day a monkey comes out of my butt
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Usually it is you coming in a monkeys butt...
Usually it is you coming in a monkeys butt...
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You are confusing with D'J.......Bang..
There are only really two big clubs in
England
Liverpool and United
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*Sighs.* My Dad is bigger than your Dad.
A big club with a stadium capacity of 45000?
There are only really two big clubs in England
Liverpool and United
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Arsenal are definitely in there too.
There are only really two big clubs in
England
Liverpool and United
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*Sighs.* My Dad is bigger than your Dad.
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Or actually a solid conclusion based on fanbase, appeal, representation, merchandise, web and more importantly - silverware
Maybe 25 years ago, Metro. But United are a million miles ahead of Liverpool in all aspects nowadays.
If you consider Liverpool a big club then you have to include Arsenal and Chelsea, who are both massive in Africa, Asia, US etc.
How do you define a big club?
Size of ground could be used, but many clubs have found it diffucult to enlarge the stadium they have played at for the past 100 years due to all kinds of restraints put on them....Spurs, Everton and Liverpool. Sunderland were able to build a biggish staidum out of town on the cheap something teams in other cities just couldnt do.West ham will have a big stadium soon but wont fill it. Will they become a big club?
Is empty seats a good way of telling a big club from another?Not really because the different sizes of the stadiums, a half full old trafford will still have a higher attendance than a full Majeski. Trophies used to a good way to tell until rich foreigners started buying them.
I think probabaly the best way to see how big a club is, is to see how difficult it would be for an avaerage member of a club to get a ticket for lets say a FA cup semi final at Wembley, the points system and all that. A small club could proabably keep all its fans happy, a medium size club may let a few hundred down. Big clubs leave thousands disappointed in their search for tickets and set the points needed for a ticket very high.
Or actually a solid conclusion based on
fanbase, appeal, representation,
merchandise, web and more importantly -
silverware
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You got any evidence or statistics/facts that prove this?
Liverpool are a big club.......amyone who says they are not really is clueless.
they are a big club, and also a mid table club based on recent seasons.
But none of those clubs are MASSIVE.
Liverpool are a big club.......amyone who says they are not really is clueless.
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And anyone who says Arsenal and Chelsea aren't are equally clueless.
I'm not the refuting that fact that Liverpool are a big club, it's the childish "my club is bigger than your club" mentality that is slightly irritating.
This is an article about Tottenham, on the Chelsea and Arsenal boards, yet the first comment is from a Liverpool fan, stating that only United and Liverpool can be considered "big clubs" in England. It's not relevant.
Yes there form is mid table but the size of the club can only fit in to the big bracket.
In my opinion Leeds are far bigger than Wigan, Reading and Norwich and lookwhere they have been for years.
Man city never went from being a biggish club to a tiny club, then back to a biggish club then on to a top club in a decade. it just dos not work like that. They have always been and will always be on the fringes of biggish. Money doeast chanhe your sizeit canges your fortunes, take Blackburn for example.
Money has changed Chelseas "size". Their fan base is global, big following in Africa, US, Russia etc (not sure about Asia).
They are Champions League winners, multiple PL titles, and the spending power to attract big names.
Their spending power has not come from success, folowing in Africa, Russia? and Asia is all well and good, but it rarley puts bums on seats, causes difficulty in getting tickets ( meaning the need for a larger stadium) or generates that much money for the club(they all where fake kits). Real fan bases are on the british isles try to get to games and more often than not is passed down theough families.
As for Chelsea's spending power none of that is gernerates by the size of the clubs its still Romans money. If he made the club stand on its own two feet for five years it would be in massive debt. A big club is self sifficient. In saying that so are most small clubs.
Chelsea have a bigger revenue than Spurs now.
Global support brings in the real money... TV money. Plus sponsorship (most major sponsors these days are Asian based companies).
And you are discussing what makes a "real fan" not what makes a club big. One of the major things that makes a club big is the global recognition.
That is becuase of years of CL money which they bought their way to. When was the last time they made a profit? something all buinesses have to do to survive in the real world. Do they atually have a larger fan base in the UK some reports say yes some say no. All i know is that spurs had set I much higher loyalty point threshold than chelsea for last seasons cup semi final tickets to its members, suggesting demand is higher at spurs. It was the same the previous time we met at Wembley. Also on both ocasions there seemed to be a fair few more spurs fans in the gound than Chelsea.
Well Chelsea can have the large fan base in Africa as lonf as Spurs have the larger one here in the UK.
As for global sponsor I'm sure Mr Levy is happy enough with the £50m we got from our american kit supplier.
Stamford Bridge holds more than WHL, so not sure if Spurs UK fan base is either fact or significant.
Also we were discussing Metros claim that only Liverpool and Man Utd were big clubs, not really talking about Spurs. There are many factors why Spurs are not a big club.
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posted on 29/9/12
There are only really two big clubs in England
Liverpool and United
posted on 29/9/12
What constitutes a big club exactly?
posted on 29/9/12
I accept Spu ds are a big club is the day a monkey comes out of my butt..
posted on 29/9/12
I accept Spu ds are a big club is the day a monkey comes out of my butt
==========
Usually it is you coming in a monkeys butt...
posted on 29/9/12
Usually it is you coming in a monkeys butt...
---
You are confusing with D'J.......Bang..
posted on 29/9/12
There are only really two big clubs in
England
Liverpool and United
__________________________________
*Sighs.* My Dad is bigger than your Dad.
posted on 29/9/12
A big club with a stadium capacity of 45000?
posted on 29/9/12
There are only really two big clubs in England
Liverpool and United
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Arsenal are definitely in there too.
posted on 29/9/12
There are only really two big clubs in
England
Liverpool and United
__________________________________
*Sighs.* My Dad is bigger than your Dad.
_________________________________
Or actually a solid conclusion based on fanbase, appeal, representation, merchandise, web and more importantly - silverware
posted on 29/9/12
Maybe 25 years ago, Metro. But United are a million miles ahead of Liverpool in all aspects nowadays.
If you consider Liverpool a big club then you have to include Arsenal and Chelsea, who are both massive in Africa, Asia, US etc.
posted on 29/9/12
How do you define a big club?
Size of ground could be used, but many clubs have found it diffucult to enlarge the stadium they have played at for the past 100 years due to all kinds of restraints put on them....Spurs, Everton and Liverpool. Sunderland were able to build a biggish staidum out of town on the cheap something teams in other cities just couldnt do.West ham will have a big stadium soon but wont fill it. Will they become a big club?
Is empty seats a good way of telling a big club from another?Not really because the different sizes of the stadiums, a half full old trafford will still have a higher attendance than a full Majeski. Trophies used to a good way to tell until rich foreigners started buying them.
I think probabaly the best way to see how big a club is, is to see how difficult it would be for an avaerage member of a club to get a ticket for lets say a FA cup semi final at Wembley, the points system and all that. A small club could proabably keep all its fans happy, a medium size club may let a few hundred down. Big clubs leave thousands disappointed in their search for tickets and set the points needed for a ticket very high.
posted on 29/9/12
Or actually a solid conclusion based on
fanbase, appeal, representation,
merchandise, web and more importantly -
silverware
____________________________________
You got any evidence or statistics/facts that prove this?
posted on 29/9/12
Liverpool are a big club.......amyone who says they are not really is clueless.
posted on 29/9/12
they are a big club, and also a mid table club based on recent seasons.
posted on 29/9/12
But none of those clubs are MASSIVE.
posted on 29/9/12
Liverpool are a big club.......amyone who says they are not really is clueless.
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And anyone who says Arsenal and Chelsea aren't are equally clueless.
posted on 29/9/12
I'm not the refuting that fact that Liverpool are a big club, it's the childish "my club is bigger than your club" mentality that is slightly irritating.
This is an article about Tottenham, on the Chelsea and Arsenal boards, yet the first comment is from a Liverpool fan, stating that only United and Liverpool can be considered "big clubs" in England. It's not relevant.
posted on 29/9/12
Yes there form is mid table but the size of the club can only fit in to the big bracket.
In my opinion Leeds are far bigger than Wigan, Reading and Norwich and lookwhere they have been for years.
Man city never went from being a biggish club to a tiny club, then back to a biggish club then on to a top club in a decade. it just dos not work like that. They have always been and will always be on the fringes of biggish. Money doeast chanhe your sizeit canges your fortunes, take Blackburn for example.
posted on 29/9/12
Money has changed Chelseas "size". Their fan base is global, big following in Africa, US, Russia etc (not sure about Asia).
They are Champions League winners, multiple PL titles, and the spending power to attract big names.
posted on 29/9/12
Their spending power has not come from success, folowing in Africa, Russia? and Asia is all well and good, but it rarley puts bums on seats, causes difficulty in getting tickets ( meaning the need for a larger stadium) or generates that much money for the club(they all where fake kits). Real fan bases are on the british isles try to get to games and more often than not is passed down theough families.
As for Chelsea's spending power none of that is gernerates by the size of the clubs its still Romans money. If he made the club stand on its own two feet for five years it would be in massive debt. A big club is self sifficient. In saying that so are most small clubs.
posted on 29/9/12
Chelsea have a bigger revenue than Spurs now.
posted on 29/9/12
Global support brings in the real money... TV money. Plus sponsorship (most major sponsors these days are Asian based companies).
And you are discussing what makes a "real fan" not what makes a club big. One of the major things that makes a club big is the global recognition.
posted on 29/9/12
That is becuase of years of CL money which they bought their way to. When was the last time they made a profit? something all buinesses have to do to survive in the real world. Do they atually have a larger fan base in the UK some reports say yes some say no. All i know is that spurs had set I much higher loyalty point threshold than chelsea for last seasons cup semi final tickets to its members, suggesting demand is higher at spurs. It was the same the previous time we met at Wembley. Also on both ocasions there seemed to be a fair few more spurs fans in the gound than Chelsea.
posted on 29/9/12
Well Chelsea can have the large fan base in Africa as lonf as Spurs have the larger one here in the UK.
As for global sponsor I'm sure Mr Levy is happy enough with the £50m we got from our american kit supplier.
posted on 29/9/12
Stamford Bridge holds more than WHL, so not sure if Spurs UK fan base is either fact or significant.
Also we were discussing Metros claim that only Liverpool and Man Utd were big clubs, not really talking about Spurs. There are many factors why Spurs are not a big club.
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