It just shows that keeping your place on merit will, 9 times out of 10, actually provide you with a better performing team and translate to points on the board.
I was just saying yesterday:
'The media would dearly love him to fail. But they are a fickle bunch and equally could adapt to him doing well. He badly needed a strong start and he's managed it, that win at OT will have done wonders for him.'
the broadsheets are more sensible so might be warming to him.
the tabloids still dont like him.
yesterday i read a terrible terrible piece by james olley in the evening standard. it contradicted itself so much.
i see a qoute from caulks...which was also...not a very thinly veiled attack at 'arry...
summat like...
'avb will give you a chance...he said i'd get my go...and true too his word..i have...he's made it clear..i'll only keep it if i'm doing the bizz...unlike others...who have there faves....end off....'
Using direct quotes from Caulker, the piece is also a veiled criticism of Harry and the fact that he had his faves and would rarely deviate from his first XI.
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To be fair, whilst i agree that Harry didnt rotate that much, AVB is rotating even less, even using the same bulk of players in the EL & the league cup.
I'm not sure whether the media are warming to him, as they haven't had much cause to mock him after our recent results so we wont know yet, but i wouldn't say it was abnormal for a player to stick up for a new manager now he is getting playing time. Its pretty much a bog standard reaction.
Chicken, yes but i have never seen this amount of players come out and say so many positive things about a manager before. Harry never got this much praise from such amount of players and neither has any manager for spurs to my knowledge in my lifetime. AVB is clearly liked by the spurs squad and the constant positve reactions from the players prove this as do the results.
thing is thou...if your and playing regular....and the team is winning...you'll love the gaffer...
if your not in....and results are poor then he's a
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some of the comments on the article are very interesting..
particularly this one from a norwich fan...
"I can't quite believe that I just read an article -quite rightly- praising AVB's man-management at Spurs. I feel quite giddy.
I think what's perhaps been overlooked in the discussion about how the Spurs dressing room differs from the Chelsea one is that quite a few of the Spurs players weren't just receptive to the idea of change, they were actually delighted by it. You only have to see the changes in players like Defoe and Lennon, as well as the players now being given a chance like Caulker and Townsend, to realise what a benefit a fresh man in charge can do."
Don,
Chicken, yes but i have never seen this amount of players come out and say so many positive things about a manager before
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This is a totally bog standard reaction, a reaction you hear from players of any club.
I think people are looking too much into it. Whether that be becuase of the early rumours of player unrest or because of his history with the players at Chelsea, i dont know.
comment by Chicken (Uncool for the pro-AVB Skool) ©™ (U1043)
posted 16 minutes ago
Using direct quotes from Caulker, the piece is also a veiled criticism of Harry and the fact that he had his faves and would rarely deviate from his first XI.
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To be fair, whilst i agree that Harry didnt rotate that much, AVB is rotating even less, even using the same bulk of players in the EL & the league cup.
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thats very true chicken.. but i think that he was forced to do that due to poor early results.. the new team simply HAD to have playing time, and the europa league was a slighly lower pressure occasion to allow the team to gel... and we are now starting to see the benefit of that in the prem.
how much he rotates over the rest of the season, particularly after xmas, remains to be seen, and i will watch with interest
comment by junction8 (U1074)
posted 7 minutes ago
thing is thou...if your and playing regular....and the team is winning...you'll love the gaffer...
if your not in....and results are poor then he's a
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Mate, that's half the skill of being a manager. Keeping everyone happy. So far so good for AVB.
Look how frustrated the likes of Corluka, Kranjcar, Pavlyuchenko, Defoe, Rose and seemingly Caulker got under Redknapp. They were only ever called on if desperate situations required it. As a result when they were called upon they were rusty, often off the pace and demotivated, knowing that the moment whoever they were replacing was fit again they'd be dropped.
the thing is about redknapp... he was rumoured to be a great man management...
yes if you were one of his favourites...
the list of players (good players too) that he marginalised at spurs goes on and on.
that is not good man management, especially as a motivated and fit peinaar and krancjar in particular could have been the difference between 3rd and 4th last season. no, they WOULD have been the difference
i agree.....but also...how many average players kick off when not in the team...!?
sorry...that argument does fly of course...
but do they help themselves...kranc goes way back...alledgedly coming back from summer massively...well..missve basically....and well off his fitness levels...therefore..a gaffer has every right too be miffed...
sure..over time...it shld all be put too bed...but......
if we going on form alone...how much longer wld any of us give walks....!?
It was never going to take long for the media to warm to him, after all he is managing the media darlings Spurs.
but do they help themselves...kranc goes way back...alledgedly coming back from summer massively...well..missve basically....and well off his fitness levels...therefore..a gaffer has every right too be miffed...
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yeah the rumour was that he was upset how unfit he came back,. but niko came back for early training that pre season due to his long injury the year before.. so it was no surprise he wasnt in great shape.. ! he had had a long layoff.
anyway i expressed my views on redknapps poor treatment of peinaar and krancjar throughout last season., so there is no need to go back over it.
that said redknapp must be commended with several things. recognising bale as a left mid (although he ultimately said he would be a left back ), and also moving modric to the centre
comment by Grand Theft Auto: Santos Andreas (U2725)
posted 2 minutes ago
It was never going to take long for the media to warm to him, after all he is managing the media darlings Spurs.
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That's hilarious seeing as the media consider Arsenal to be having an impressive start to the season, and genuine title contenders, when they sit below Everton, WBA and Spurs.
to a degree chron...but he shld be able too keep the weight of...injured or not....
with the knowledge of diet...and physio they can do whilst injured/recovering....
"That's hilarious seeing as the media consider Arsenal to be having an impressive start to the season, and genuine title contenders, when they sit below Everton, WBA and Spurs."
Nobody considers Arsenal contenders except for a few deluded fans, and I would imagine people have said we have had an impressive start to the season considering we have travelled to Stoke, Liverpool, City and West Ham and have not lost any of those matches.
But even in the case of Bale, it's worth remembering that even he had got into the position of not being one of 'Harry's favourites'. Remember the 2010 january transfer window when there was serious talk of Bale going on loan to Notts Forest? Mere months later he would be tearing Chelsea and Arsenal to shreds, but his emergence wasn't due to some masterstroke on Harry's part, but down to BAE picking up an injury
that said redknapp must be commended with several things. recognising bale as a left mid (although he ultimately said he would be a left back ), and also moving modric to the centre.
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Yeah genius!
Bale who was suspect at defending but had an amazing left foot, power pace and dribbling skills, played as a LM rather than a LB.
Modric who is clearly one of the most talented midfielders in the league, played centrally in a 442/4411, where he gets involved rather than outwide
Not exactly brain surgery is it!
If BAE had not got injured that Christmas it is questionable whether Bale would have made the impact he did that season.
I give credit to Harry for Walker's progression. He could have easily stuck with Corluka.
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Watch the media, if they write something positive I tend to expect at least 2 negative articles to follow. They love to build up so they can knock down.
I guess I don't need to tell you it's not what they say that's important, it's what you believe.
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posted on 9/10/12
It just shows that keeping your place on merit will, 9 times out of 10, actually provide you with a better performing team and translate to points on the board.
posted on 9/10/12
I was just saying yesterday:
'The media would dearly love him to fail. But they are a fickle bunch and equally could adapt to him doing well. He badly needed a strong start and he's managed it, that win at OT will have done wonders for him.'
posted on 9/10/12
the broadsheets are more sensible so might be warming to him.
the tabloids still dont like him.
yesterday i read a terrible terrible piece by james olley in the evening standard. it contradicted itself so much.
posted on 9/10/12
i see a qoute from caulks...which was also...not a very thinly veiled attack at 'arry...
summat like...
'avb will give you a chance...he said i'd get my go...and true too his word..i have...he's made it clear..i'll only keep it if i'm doing the bizz...unlike others...who have there faves....end off....'
posted on 9/10/12
Using direct quotes from Caulker, the piece is also a veiled criticism of Harry and the fact that he had his faves and would rarely deviate from his first XI.
===================
To be fair, whilst i agree that Harry didnt rotate that much, AVB is rotating even less, even using the same bulk of players in the EL & the league cup.
I'm not sure whether the media are warming to him, as they haven't had much cause to mock him after our recent results so we wont know yet, but i wouldn't say it was abnormal for a player to stick up for a new manager now he is getting playing time. Its pretty much a bog standard reaction.
posted on 9/10/12
Chicken, yes but i have never seen this amount of players come out and say so many positive things about a manager before. Harry never got this much praise from such amount of players and neither has any manager for spurs to my knowledge in my lifetime. AVB is clearly liked by the spurs squad and the constant positve reactions from the players prove this as do the results.
posted on 9/10/12
thing is thou...if your and playing regular....and the team is winning...you'll love the gaffer...
if your not in....and results are poor then he's a
posted on 9/10/12
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posted on 9/10/12
some of the comments on the article are very interesting..
particularly this one from a norwich fan...
"I can't quite believe that I just read an article -quite rightly- praising AVB's man-management at Spurs. I feel quite giddy.
I think what's perhaps been overlooked in the discussion about how the Spurs dressing room differs from the Chelsea one is that quite a few of the Spurs players weren't just receptive to the idea of change, they were actually delighted by it. You only have to see the changes in players like Defoe and Lennon, as well as the players now being given a chance like Caulker and Townsend, to realise what a benefit a fresh man in charge can do."
posted on 9/10/12
Don,
Chicken, yes but i have never seen this amount of players come out and say so many positive things about a manager before
====================
This is a totally bog standard reaction, a reaction you hear from players of any club.
I think people are looking too much into it. Whether that be becuase of the early rumours of player unrest or because of his history with the players at Chelsea, i dont know.
posted on 9/10/12
comment by Chicken (Uncool for the pro-AVB Skool) ©™ (U1043)
posted 16 minutes ago
Using direct quotes from Caulker, the piece is also a veiled criticism of Harry and the fact that he had his faves and would rarely deviate from his first XI.
===================
To be fair, whilst i agree that Harry didnt rotate that much, AVB is rotating even less, even using the same bulk of players in the EL & the league cup.
------
thats very true chicken.. but i think that he was forced to do that due to poor early results.. the new team simply HAD to have playing time, and the europa league was a slighly lower pressure occasion to allow the team to gel... and we are now starting to see the benefit of that in the prem.
how much he rotates over the rest of the season, particularly after xmas, remains to be seen, and i will watch with interest
posted on 9/10/12
comment by junction8 (U1074)
posted 7 minutes ago
thing is thou...if your and playing regular....and the team is winning...you'll love the gaffer...
if your not in....and results are poor then he's a
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Mate, that's half the skill of being a manager. Keeping everyone happy. So far so good for AVB.
Look how frustrated the likes of Corluka, Kranjcar, Pavlyuchenko, Defoe, Rose and seemingly Caulker got under Redknapp. They were only ever called on if desperate situations required it. As a result when they were called upon they were rusty, often off the pace and demotivated, knowing that the moment whoever they were replacing was fit again they'd be dropped.
posted on 9/10/12
the thing is about redknapp... he was rumoured to be a great man management...
yes if you were one of his favourites...
the list of players (good players too) that he marginalised at spurs goes on and on.
that is not good man management, especially as a motivated and fit peinaar and krancjar in particular could have been the difference between 3rd and 4th last season. no, they WOULD have been the difference
posted on 9/10/12
i agree.....but also...how many average players kick off when not in the team...!?
sorry...that argument does fly of course...
but do they help themselves...kranc goes way back...alledgedly coming back from summer massively...well..missve basically....and well off his fitness levels...therefore..a gaffer has every right too be miffed...
sure..over time...it shld all be put too bed...but......
if we going on form alone...how much longer wld any of us give walks....!?
posted on 9/10/12
It was never going to take long for the media to warm to him, after all he is managing the media darlings Spurs.
posted on 9/10/12
but do they help themselves...kranc goes way back...alledgedly coming back from summer massively...well..missve basically....and well off his fitness levels...therefore..a gaffer has every right too be miffed...
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yeah the rumour was that he was upset how unfit he came back,. but niko came back for early training that pre season due to his long injury the year before.. so it was no surprise he wasnt in great shape.. ! he had had a long layoff.
anyway i expressed my views on redknapps poor treatment of peinaar and krancjar throughout last season., so there is no need to go back over it.
that said redknapp must be commended with several things. recognising bale as a left mid (although he ultimately said he would be a left back ), and also moving modric to the centre
posted on 9/10/12
comment by Grand Theft Auto: Santos Andreas (U2725)
posted 2 minutes ago
It was never going to take long for the media to warm to him, after all he is managing the media darlings Spurs.
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That's hilarious seeing as the media consider Arsenal to be having an impressive start to the season, and genuine title contenders, when they sit below Everton, WBA and Spurs.
posted on 9/10/12
to a degree chron...but he shld be able too keep the weight of...injured or not....
with the knowledge of diet...and physio they can do whilst injured/recovering....
posted on 9/10/12
"That's hilarious seeing as the media consider Arsenal to be having an impressive start to the season, and genuine title contenders, when they sit below Everton, WBA and Spurs."
Nobody considers Arsenal contenders except for a few deluded fans, and I would imagine people have said we have had an impressive start to the season considering we have travelled to Stoke, Liverpool, City and West Ham and have not lost any of those matches.
posted on 9/10/12
But even in the case of Bale, it's worth remembering that even he had got into the position of not being one of 'Harry's favourites'. Remember the 2010 january transfer window when there was serious talk of Bale going on loan to Notts Forest? Mere months later he would be tearing Chelsea and Arsenal to shreds, but his emergence wasn't due to some masterstroke on Harry's part, but down to BAE picking up an injury
posted on 9/10/12
that said redknapp must be commended with several things. recognising bale as a left mid (although he ultimately said he would be a left back ), and also moving modric to the centre.
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Yeah genius!
Bale who was suspect at defending but had an amazing left foot, power pace and dribbling skills, played as a LM rather than a LB.
Modric who is clearly one of the most talented midfielders in the league, played centrally in a 442/4411, where he gets involved rather than outwide
Not exactly brain surgery is it!
If BAE had not got injured that Christmas it is questionable whether Bale would have made the impact he did that season.
I give credit to Harry for Walker's progression. He could have easily stuck with Corluka.
posted on 9/10/12
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posted on 9/10/12
Watch the media, if they write something positive I tend to expect at least 2 negative articles to follow. They love to build up so they can knock down.
I guess I don't need to tell you it's not what they say that's important, it's what you believe.
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