It’s not going to happen. We could well go on a decent run but lots of results will be ground out or lucky. We don’t create enough chances and we never have under Artitler. Even the cup run was built on a solid defence and Auba being extremely clinical

I don't think there's anything wrong with changing your opinion - it's impossible to be right all the time and it's stupid to stick by an opinion that's obviously wrong just to be stubborn.

I was happy with Arteta when we brought him in because of the way he talked about our issues.

Now it's been too much talk and nothing on the pitch to show that he knows how to actually address the issues, so I believe we'd be better served with another manager.

But if it turns out he actually did need his own players and some time to mould them to turn it around, then I'll reassess my opinion then.

https://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/416850

I spent the whole thread defending Arteta. Admittedly it was knee-jerk but still thought he was the second coming of Wenger.

comment by TBag. (U11806)
posted 6 minutes ago
I don't think there's anything wrong with changing your opinion - it's impossible to be right all the time and it's stupid to stick by an opinion that's obviously wrong just to be stubborn.

I was happy with Arteta when we brought him in because of the way he talked about our issues.

Now it's been too much talk and nothing on the pitch to show that he knows how to actually address the issues, so I believe we'd be better served with another manager.

But if it turns out he actually did need his own players and some time to mould them to turn it around, then I'll reassess my opinion then.
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It's basically how everyone feels but it's more fun to pick a side and fight over it 🧐

I suggested a while ago that Arteta was either going to be the next Klopp, Pep, Wenger etc. or diabolical failover who won't last to the summer. So far it seems we could have stumbled upon a great manager. Still early though.

6 months later I was truly off the Arteta train.

Shame it’s gone the way it has with him. Remember his first few games against Chelsea and United when we were playing high intensity high pressing fast paced football. It’s hard to believe the same guy is in charge. I’ve never found Arsenal so difficult to watch. Haven’t even watched highlights of the Norwich game.

comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 2 minutes ago
https://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/416850

I spent the whole thread defending Arteta. Admittedly it was knee-jerk but still thought he was the second coming of Wenger.
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There was a lot to be excited about, the way he talked, the way he knows and understands the club philosophy, the time under Pep and the start we made addressed our defensive issues which seemed like a good start.

Unfortunately we stagnated after that and it all went downhill

Arteta still talks well. But as if he is a fan not the one in charge to fix it.

He speaks well which is why I gave him the benefit of the doubt for a lot of last season but I don’t listen to him anymore. No point saying the right things when you don’t act on them

comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 minute ago
I suggested a while ago that Arteta was either going to be the next Klopp, Pep, Wenger etc. or diabolical failover who won't last to the summer. So far it seems we could have stumbled upon a great manager. Still early though.

6 months later I was truly off the Arteta train.
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There's still a small part of me that holds out hope - things like putting Ramsdale in and I actually think the first 11 he's assembled is pretty good and mostly very young. Plus he always knows what our issues are and although he makes mistakes, he does seem to address them sometimes.

On the flip side, despite addressing the issues he can't actually fix them. And for every mistake he acknowledges, there's another where he's wildly stubborn about it.

Unfortunately I think it's just too big/too early for him and he doesn't have the tools in his skillset to address the issues yet. I'm not sure where he'd be able to go after doing such a poor job with us either.

comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by TBag. (U11806)
posted 6 minutes ago
I don't think there's anything wrong with changing your opinion - it's impossible to be right all the time and it's stupid to stick by an opinion that's obviously wrong just to be stubborn.

I was happy with Arteta when we brought him in because of the way he talked about our issues.

Now it's been too much talk and nothing on the pitch to show that he knows how to actually address the issues, so I believe we'd be better served with another manager.

But if it turns out he actually did need his own players and some time to mould them to turn it around, then I'll reassess my opinion then.
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It's basically how everyone feels but it's more fun to pick a side and fight over it 🧐
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Well it kind of works both ways. When things were going well you would get attacked by Artetasexuals for being constructively critical of anything that could have been worked on. For example after the Fulham game I mentioned that we don’t create enough chances and that our goals only come from 3 areas, set pieces, defensive errors or wonder goals and Artetasexuals were quick to call me out for being negative after a 3-0 win. The goal scoring situation has got worse because we don’t score from set pieces anymore,

Or just doesn't know how to act on them. Which is why I suggested he should fire his entire coaching team in the summer and hire some top experienced coaches. However I think he just can't be humbled.

I am expecting a win against Burnley but it’s going to be incredibly scrappy and difficult to watch. And while I expect a win I’m in no way confident whatsoever. Could easily end up a draw or worse

comment by TBag. (U11806)
posted 2 minutes ago

I'm not sure where he'd be able to go after doing such a poor job with us either.
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Some times being fired is whats needed to get that 'humbling'.

Lets see how Vieira does.

They're gonna kick us off the park

Partey to either beast them into the floor or get a broken leg

Unfortunately that's the time we live in, where people just have to have extreme opinions to seem interesting.

I try and look at issues each on their own merit without bias but sometimes people are talking such rubbish that by default it sends me the other way just to argue with them (not saying you're talking rubbish, this time )

Nah. I don't think they will kick us. By the media bringing it up its in Arteta's mind and that will be enough.

The fear of it is what Dyche uses.

What good would that do?

I dunno I've seen some pretty bad challenges by them in the last few weeks

I always remember Wenger saying that in this instance the player who was still picking up the ball and dribbling the ball, despite knowing some ape was gonna come and run through them, was the brave one and the person making the foul is a coward

comment by TBag. (U11806)
posted 2 minutes ago
Unfortunately that's the time we live in, where people just have to have extreme opinions to seem interesting.

I try and look at issues each on their own merit without bias but sometimes people are talking such rubbish that by default it sends me the other way just to argue with them (not saying you're talking rubbish, this time)
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Or that it is so bad and it is all connected that one cannot fathom how bad it is and you begin to tune out. At that point you just clutch to anything to make you feel that you have to give him the benefit of the doubt.

I felt like that about Trump at times.

comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 1 minute ago
What good would that do?
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We will be petulant and less committed. Enough to lose a tight game.

It’s the type of game where refs will let them kick the shiiiit out of us because it’s Arsenal and banter

Why would getting in Artetas head make us more petulant and less committed?

Surely kicking us would do that more effectively, so long as they can get away with it

comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by TBag. (U11806)
posted 2 minutes ago
Unfortunately that's the time we live in, where people just have to have extreme opinions to seem interesting.

I try and look at issues each on their own merit without bias but sometimes people are talking such rubbish that by default it sends me the other way just to argue with them (not saying you're talking rubbish, this time)
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Or that it is so bad and it is all connected that one cannot fathom how bad it is and you begin to tune out. At that point you just clutch to anything to make you feel that you have to give him the benefit of the doubt.

I felt like that about Trump at times.
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Maybe, I sometimes wonder if that's just our nature to glorify the past though. Although in the Arsenal context the contrasts are night and day.

Nostalgia is truly one of the great human weaknesses, second only to the neck.