Don't think any of those (Nani and Benzema) challenges were worth red cards. Ref got the decision wrong against Manchester United but things like this happen every season for and against your team.
Don't get me wrong it wasn't the worst decision in the world, it was a strong yellow but a pretty harsh red card. United did also have a good penalty shout at the end of the first leg in Madrid.
The penalty shout isn't worth a mention anyway, it is not the goal or not scoring a goal based on a referee's decisions that bothers me so much but losing a player which pretty much left us done for when we shouldn't have.
I would be far less annoyed had we had a good goal ruled out in the 2nd leg for example, even if we had still gone out.
Lastly, don't you think there would have been a load of Tottenham fans celebrating if just a week or two later, a few premier league games later what happened to Mendes against United happened to United.
I don't really hear many mentions any more but I have heard it mentioned a few times on JA606 and loads on the BBC one, if not long after United had suffered something similar the Tottenham fans would have been all over it..
I wouldn't really blame them for it either.
the chelsea barca match he got nearly every decision wrong he could have for and against barca and chelsea. for example barca player got sent off for anelka tripping over his own feet in 2nd half but 1st half he should have got sent off for fouling drogba. So many wrong decisions, despite barca going down to 10 men barca got away goal. All I am saying is that refs get bad calls, in the 2 games there were numerous bad decisions, I still am amazed the coruption in reffing.
Varane took evra out in 1st leg from behind clean through in goal ref looked at it and he knew exactly it was a red card but wanted it to stay 11 vs 11.Return leg man utd leading and completely had stifled real madrid up until the point with de gea making 1 save after not only red card but the injustice of it, you see so many balls controlled over the top as in balls hit over the team mates head to glide and control the ball. Just because a player got hit doesn't mean its a red card.
Its like a defender clearing a ball into the box with his feet and defenders blind side player dives in and gets there and the foot instead contacts the player, why should that be a red card.
Should football be a no challenge sport. Its a joke decision and I find it amusing people believe it was a red card. Nani also got sent off against aston villa for not even touchjing a player, maybe refs have a vendetta of him.
I don't really hear many mentions any more but I have heard it mentioned a few times on JA606 and loads on the BBC one, if not long after United had suffered something similar the Tottenham fans would have been all over it..
I wouldn't really blame them for it either.
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reading game cough cough rvp shot 3 yds over the line missed.
reading game cough cough rvp shot 3 yds over the line missed.
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It happened a bit late, I imagine if that had happened soon after the Mendes incident the Tottenham fans would have been all over it...
Actually forgot all about that decision against us. We are so hard done by
Lol the Mendes goal was ages in the past! Such a poor decision that it is actually funny though.
Interesting stat, Spurs havent won a penalty yet this season, and have had 3 against us.
That is a pretty bad record on penalties considering where you are in the league!
Swansea are even worse than you with 0 4 on penalties... joint with Norwich who are 1 5. Swansea are also quite high in the PL table though.
Wigan are the worst off with 1 7 which considering they are pretty poor doesn't seem wildly off...
The Chelsea, Tottenham and Swansea figures do seem a little bit off from what you would expect. Chelsea have a better penalty difference much better than everyone, which wouldn't seem as strange were they cruising top of the league rather than in a fight for CL places...
It is even stranger when you compare them to Tottenham who are almost identically placed in the league but have one of the worst records for penalties!
Liverpool fans for all their moaning about referee's decisions are one of the few teams with a positive penalty difference (more received than given away) and do much better than many of their close rivals at them, only Chelsea and United have benefitted more.
QPR have also had 3 but only given away 1 (may not be updated for the one Samba gave away on Sunday), a team that is playing atrociously this year.
Not that any of that implies any kind of conspiracy it is just interesting to spot the ones that are statistically strange...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/mar/21/van-persie-nani-uefa-cowards-madrid?INTCMP=ILCNETTXT3487
United, though only a goal ahead before the dismissal, were enjoying a period in the ascendancy, and Van Persie is sure that they would have gone on to win the game: "For an hour everything was looking good, the tactics seems to be right," he said.
"We really had the feeling that we were going to score the second goal and then it would become very difficult for Real Madrid. But then it the referee pulled the red card. Real were not dangerous at all, I'm sure we would have kept our position. So now it's all about the title in the Premier League.'
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This what was so annoying until that red card real madrid were completely outplayed, they did not know what to do. Man utd were the ones creating the clear cut chances, ronaldo was having to shoot from 40 yds to get a sight at goal till the red card.
Its virtually impossible to play with 10 men and not concede chances, modric scoring a worldie of a goal so soon after didn't help. Ronaldo goal was a very poor goal to concede but wayne rooney came on and last 20 minutes we could have had the best comeback in champions league knockout round history. Lopez was in right place right time so many times and we balooned some good chances.
Yeah it was the playing well that made it annoying, if we were already losing the tie or we were luckily up but hanging on it would have been really easy to take. It was the fact we were looking good and would have (probably) deservedly gone through but for a harsh red card that made it feel like such a bad decision.
Although because we played well it meant I didn't really feel that bad at the time, I made a post the day after or something saying how I was pleased because we looked every bit as good Madrid so even in defeat I didn't feel that bad.
Nice to see you were a fan of me 7
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/F20776736?thread=8131328&show=50
That was a very entertaining personality!
I remember being quite happy when you were on here but it appears you were just a one hit wonder.
Please tell me that didn't take any serious amount of time to find to prove something or annoy me in some way....
Nope was just checking a birthday of someone close to me and stumbled across that
comment by Mr Z (U11956)
posted 4 hours, 10 minutes ago
Obers
In that case you're own team were not good enough on the day vs Barca at SB in the 2009 semi-final. Agreed?
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well said.
I'll shut up about the Nani decision when Chelsea fans shut up about what happened 4 years ago and fans of all clubs shut up about how much injury time was given against Sheffield Wed in 1993.
comment by Hippo on Toast (mufc) - follow the new ja606 twitter @jalob_official (U1301)
posted 3 hours, 59 minutes ago
no it wouldn't. we would have gone on to win it at 1-1 with 11 men. and that goal would have never happened if we had been playing with 11 men because he wouldn't have got the space.
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Modric was only brought on in the first place because Jose thought he would be effective against 10 men? He may not even have played otherwise.
If's and buts...
You're out
As are Chelsea from the CL a few years back and you still hear it come up now and again, so you will forgive other fans for talking about injustices that actually happened this season and only last month.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-GO2XBY04g
This game I thought it reminded me of the opposite of the game at stamford bridge. I literally thought there was a force repellent that game.
Its amazing both bayern and barca players missed 5 or 6 rebounds, fluffed there lines from 5 yds out like 10 times in each game and even benfica and napoli did the same. How can one team win the champions league like that is just crazy.
http://www1.skysports.com/football/live/match/258579/report
lol, its so funny chelsea fans claimed chelsea know how to play barca, those stats show they are more lucky.
If man utd had this luck in the 2009 and 2011 final we may have won both.
comment by Obers - Jose's coming home (U3904)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
If's and buts...
You're out
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Really? That's fascinating. Tell me more.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=0motW7ggzlw&feature=endscreen
having said this if you look at all 3 goals we conceded it was more of our stupidity if anything. Nothing special really, chelsea had that extra luck and the fact is man utd van der saar wasn't as good as cech was against barca. Messi goal was a joke to concede straight in middle of goal. pedro goal simple goal you will see nothing special giggs disgraceful perfromance that game likewise evra, these 2 players cost us big time that game. Its all about concentration and man utd gave 3 soft goals away, 1st goal giggs and evra at fault, 2nd goal van der saar gets beaten to easily straight in middle of goal the shot was while 3rd goal stupid clearance and nani gives it to barca player, reminded me of iniesta goal mis clearance cant get rid of ball and goal. Man utd could easily have done a chelsea all we needed was some basics, all 3 goals conceded we needed to do the basic task of pressing at right time.
1st goal giggs disgraceful behaviour joggin with xavi when he could have got the ball evra out of position, 2nd goal players stand off for to long and block van der saar view slighly and van der saar should have been in middle of goal in first place and it would have been easy save. 3rd goal was just comedy mess ups nani came on just then as well.
Hafijur - The United goal shouldn't have stood as Giggs was offside
Injury time v Sheffield we'd another diamond! The ref was off the pitch for 9 minutes but don't let facts gets in the way if a sad ABU!
Some comedy gold comments on this thread from Chelsea fans. I'll start with what the poster "Oscar The Famous Four" said. He said that Chelsea have been more successful than United in the Roman era. Really? Lets analyse that comment a bit more. Assuming United clinch the title this season that will be 5 league titles to Chelsea's 3. One CL each. United won the World Club Championship and Chelsea didn't. They have also appeared in more CL finals since Roman came in. Chelsea have won more FA Cups (I think it's 4-1) but United have won more League Cups (I think it's 3-2).
So really the only competition Chelsea have been more successful in is the FA Cup. And surely the true measure of success is in the league and CL? Teams these days often play weakened sides in domestic cup competitions as they have been devalued by CL and teams prioritising top 4 finishes. I mean United played a second string against Chelsea in this seasons League Cup and played two youth team centre halves none of his five senior centre halves played that's how seriously he took the competition this year.
So despite Chelsea probably having spent around 5 times what United have in the Roman era they have still been less successful despite what some of their deluded fans like Oscar the famous four says. Oh and United have also never dropped out the top 4 during the Roman era. Chelsea have and may do so again this season.
Also the poster JNR said that Chelsea always get the better of United head to head and that United are only ahead due to their ability to beat the crap teams that Chelsea apparently can't motivate themselves for? Mondays FA Cup win was actually Chelsea's first significant victory over United in over two years (unless you count the League Cup win this season against a second string United that had two youth team centre halves playing). You have to love the garbage some fans post as "fact". Some of them really should do their homework before they start typing
It makes me laugh that Utd fans have now somehow self WUMed themselves by bringing up the Sheffield incident.
Noone else mentioned it here guys, it was just you and your guilt eating away at you
It makes me laugh how Mr Z has completely mugged himself off in his own post
" Chelsea are not more successful than United in the Roman Era "
Yet says the info that proves we are
4 fa cups + 1 CL + 3 leagues + 2 carling cups = 10
1 fa cup + 1 CL + 4 leagues + 3 carling cups = 9
Oscar
United won the World Club Championship so I make that ten trophies.
It's not a case if how many trophies you id1ot. I clearly said that the true measure of success in in the league and CL. Or can you not read?
Or maybe you think that winning a League Cup is on the same level as winning a League Championship?
United have been the most successful team in the Roman era which they will ram home again this season when they win yet another league title. And they have been more successful despite Chelsea spending hundreds of millions more.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is clearly stupid or ridiculously biased. Or both.
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posted on 4/4/13
Don't think any of those (Nani and Benzema) challenges were worth red cards. Ref got the decision wrong against Manchester United but things like this happen every season for and against your team.
posted on 4/4/13
Don't get me wrong it wasn't the worst decision in the world, it was a strong yellow but a pretty harsh red card. United did also have a good penalty shout at the end of the first leg in Madrid.
The penalty shout isn't worth a mention anyway, it is not the goal or not scoring a goal based on a referee's decisions that bothers me so much but losing a player which pretty much left us done for when we shouldn't have.
I would be far less annoyed had we had a good goal ruled out in the 2nd leg for example, even if we had still gone out.
Lastly, don't you think there would have been a load of Tottenham fans celebrating if just a week or two later, a few premier league games later what happened to Mendes against United happened to United.
I don't really hear many mentions any more but I have heard it mentioned a few times on JA606 and loads on the BBC one, if not long after United had suffered something similar the Tottenham fans would have been all over it..
I wouldn't really blame them for it either.
posted on 4/4/13
the chelsea barca match he got nearly every decision wrong he could have for and against barca and chelsea. for example barca player got sent off for anelka tripping over his own feet in 2nd half but 1st half he should have got sent off for fouling drogba. So many wrong decisions, despite barca going down to 10 men barca got away goal. All I am saying is that refs get bad calls, in the 2 games there were numerous bad decisions, I still am amazed the coruption in reffing.
Varane took evra out in 1st leg from behind clean through in goal ref looked at it and he knew exactly it was a red card but wanted it to stay 11 vs 11.Return leg man utd leading and completely had stifled real madrid up until the point with de gea making 1 save after not only red card but the injustice of it, you see so many balls controlled over the top as in balls hit over the team mates head to glide and control the ball. Just because a player got hit doesn't mean its a red card.
Its like a defender clearing a ball into the box with his feet and defenders blind side player dives in and gets there and the foot instead contacts the player, why should that be a red card.
Should football be a no challenge sport. Its a joke decision and I find it amusing people believe it was a red card. Nani also got sent off against aston villa for not even touchjing a player, maybe refs have a vendetta of him.
posted on 4/4/13
I don't really hear many mentions any more but I have heard it mentioned a few times on JA606 and loads on the BBC one, if not long after United had suffered something similar the Tottenham fans would have been all over it..
I wouldn't really blame them for it either.
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reading game cough cough rvp shot 3 yds over the line missed.
posted on 4/4/13
reading game cough cough rvp shot 3 yds over the line missed.
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It happened a bit late, I imagine if that had happened soon after the Mendes incident the Tottenham fans would have been all over it...
Actually forgot all about that decision against us. We are so hard done by
posted on 4/4/13
Lol the Mendes goal was ages in the past! Such a poor decision that it is actually funny though.
Interesting stat, Spurs havent won a penalty yet this season, and have had 3 against us.
posted on 4/4/13
That is a pretty bad record on penalties considering where you are in the league!
Swansea are even worse than you with 0 4 on penalties... joint with Norwich who are 1 5. Swansea are also quite high in the PL table though.
Wigan are the worst off with 1 7 which considering they are pretty poor doesn't seem wildly off...
The Chelsea, Tottenham and Swansea figures do seem a little bit off from what you would expect. Chelsea have a better penalty difference much better than everyone, which wouldn't seem as strange were they cruising top of the league rather than in a fight for CL places...
It is even stranger when you compare them to Tottenham who are almost identically placed in the league but have one of the worst records for penalties!
Liverpool fans for all their moaning about referee's decisions are one of the few teams with a positive penalty difference (more received than given away) and do much better than many of their close rivals at them, only Chelsea and United have benefitted more.
QPR have also had 3 but only given away 1 (may not be updated for the one Samba gave away on Sunday), a team that is playing atrociously this year.
Not that any of that implies any kind of conspiracy it is just interesting to spot the ones that are statistically strange...
posted on 4/4/13
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/mar/21/van-persie-nani-uefa-cowards-madrid?INTCMP=ILCNETTXT3487
United, though only a goal ahead before the dismissal, were enjoying a period in the ascendancy, and Van Persie is sure that they would have gone on to win the game: "For an hour everything was looking good, the tactics seems to be right," he said.
"We really had the feeling that we were going to score the second goal and then it would become very difficult for Real Madrid. But then it the referee pulled the red card. Real were not dangerous at all, I'm sure we would have kept our position. So now it's all about the title in the Premier League.'
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This what was so annoying until that red card real madrid were completely outplayed, they did not know what to do. Man utd were the ones creating the clear cut chances, ronaldo was having to shoot from 40 yds to get a sight at goal till the red card.
Its virtually impossible to play with 10 men and not concede chances, modric scoring a worldie of a goal so soon after didn't help. Ronaldo goal was a very poor goal to concede but wayne rooney came on and last 20 minutes we could have had the best comeback in champions league knockout round history. Lopez was in right place right time so many times and we balooned some good chances.
posted on 4/4/13
Yeah it was the playing well that made it annoying, if we were already losing the tie or we were luckily up but hanging on it would have been really easy to take. It was the fact we were looking good and would have (probably) deservedly gone through but for a harsh red card that made it feel like such a bad decision.
Although because we played well it meant I didn't really feel that bad at the time, I made a post the day after or something saying how I was pleased because we looked every bit as good Madrid so even in defeat I didn't feel that bad.
posted on 4/4/13
Nice to see you were a fan of me 7
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/F20776736?thread=8131328&show=50
posted on 4/4/13
That was a very entertaining personality!
I remember being quite happy when you were on here but it appears you were just a one hit wonder.
Please tell me that didn't take any serious amount of time to find to prove something or annoy me in some way....
posted on 4/4/13
Nope was just checking a birthday of someone close to me and stumbled across that
posted on 4/4/13
comment by Mr Z (U11956)
posted 4 hours, 10 minutes ago
Obers
In that case you're own team were not good enough on the day vs Barca at SB in the 2009 semi-final. Agreed?
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well said.
I'll shut up about the Nani decision when Chelsea fans shut up about what happened 4 years ago and fans of all clubs shut up about how much injury time was given against Sheffield Wed in 1993.
posted on 4/4/13
comment by Hippo on Toast (mufc) - follow the new ja606 twitter @jalob_official (U1301)
posted 3 hours, 59 minutes ago
no it wouldn't. we would have gone on to win it at 1-1 with 11 men. and that goal would have never happened if we had been playing with 11 men because he wouldn't have got the space.
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Modric was only brought on in the first place because Jose thought he would be effective against 10 men? He may not even have played otherwise.
posted on 4/4/13
If's and buts...
You're out
posted on 4/4/13
As are Chelsea from the CL a few years back and you still hear it come up now and again, so you will forgive other fans for talking about injustices that actually happened this season and only last month.
posted on 4/4/13
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-GO2XBY04g
This game I thought it reminded me of the opposite of the game at stamford bridge. I literally thought there was a force repellent that game.
Its amazing both bayern and barca players missed 5 or 6 rebounds, fluffed there lines from 5 yds out like 10 times in each game and even benfica and napoli did the same. How can one team win the champions league like that is just crazy.
http://www1.skysports.com/football/live/match/258579/report
lol, its so funny chelsea fans claimed chelsea know how to play barca, those stats show they are more lucky.
If man utd had this luck in the 2009 and 2011 final we may have won both.
posted on 4/4/13
comment by Obers - Jose's coming home (U3904)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
If's and buts...
You're out
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Really? That's fascinating. Tell me more.
posted on 4/4/13
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=0motW7ggzlw&feature=endscreen
having said this if you look at all 3 goals we conceded it was more of our stupidity if anything. Nothing special really, chelsea had that extra luck and the fact is man utd van der saar wasn't as good as cech was against barca. Messi goal was a joke to concede straight in middle of goal. pedro goal simple goal you will see nothing special giggs disgraceful perfromance that game likewise evra, these 2 players cost us big time that game. Its all about concentration and man utd gave 3 soft goals away, 1st goal giggs and evra at fault, 2nd goal van der saar gets beaten to easily straight in middle of goal the shot was while 3rd goal stupid clearance and nani gives it to barca player, reminded me of iniesta goal mis clearance cant get rid of ball and goal. Man utd could easily have done a chelsea all we needed was some basics, all 3 goals conceded we needed to do the basic task of pressing at right time.
1st goal giggs disgraceful behaviour joggin with xavi when he could have got the ball evra out of position, 2nd goal players stand off for to long and block van der saar view slighly and van der saar should have been in middle of goal in first place and it would have been easy save. 3rd goal was just comedy mess ups nani came on just then as well.
posted on 4/4/13
Hafijur - The United goal shouldn't have stood as Giggs was offside
posted on 4/4/13
Injury time v Sheffield we'd another diamond! The ref was off the pitch for 9 minutes but don't let facts gets in the way if a sad ABU!
posted on 4/4/13
Some comedy gold comments on this thread from Chelsea fans. I'll start with what the poster "Oscar The Famous Four" said. He said that Chelsea have been more successful than United in the Roman era. Really? Lets analyse that comment a bit more. Assuming United clinch the title this season that will be 5 league titles to Chelsea's 3. One CL each. United won the World Club Championship and Chelsea didn't. They have also appeared in more CL finals since Roman came in. Chelsea have won more FA Cups (I think it's 4-1) but United have won more League Cups (I think it's 3-2).
So really the only competition Chelsea have been more successful in is the FA Cup. And surely the true measure of success is in the league and CL? Teams these days often play weakened sides in domestic cup competitions as they have been devalued by CL and teams prioritising top 4 finishes. I mean United played a second string against Chelsea in this seasons League Cup and played two youth team centre halves none of his five senior centre halves played that's how seriously he took the competition this year.
So despite Chelsea probably having spent around 5 times what United have in the Roman era they have still been less successful despite what some of their deluded fans like Oscar the famous four says. Oh and United have also never dropped out the top 4 during the Roman era. Chelsea have and may do so again this season.
Also the poster JNR said that Chelsea always get the better of United head to head and that United are only ahead due to their ability to beat the crap teams that Chelsea apparently can't motivate themselves for? Mondays FA Cup win was actually Chelsea's first significant victory over United in over two years (unless you count the League Cup win this season against a second string United that had two youth team centre halves playing). You have to love the garbage some fans post as "fact". Some of them really should do their homework before they start typing
posted on 4/4/13
It makes me laugh that Utd fans have now somehow self WUMed themselves by bringing up the Sheffield incident.
Noone else mentioned it here guys, it was just you and your guilt eating away at you
posted on 4/4/13
It makes me laugh how Mr Z has completely mugged himself off in his own post
" Chelsea are not more successful than United in the Roman Era "
Yet says the info that proves we are
4 fa cups + 1 CL + 3 leagues + 2 carling cups = 10
1 fa cup + 1 CL + 4 leagues + 3 carling cups = 9
posted on 4/4/13
Oscar
United won the World Club Championship so I make that ten trophies.
It's not a case if how many trophies you id1ot. I clearly said that the true measure of success in in the league and CL. Or can you not read?
Or maybe you think that winning a League Cup is on the same level as winning a League Championship?
United have been the most successful team in the Roman era which they will ram home again this season when they win yet another league title. And they have been more successful despite Chelsea spending hundreds of millions more.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is clearly stupid or ridiculously biased. Or both.
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