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I know what you mean, Wolves, West Brom, Fulham, Blackburn, Stoke and Wigan etc never look quite right to me. Obviously they deserve to be there but just don't don't sit well in my mind as top flight clubs, I think that's why I always tip them to go down irrelevant of their squad's qualities.

Thank you Scribe, you prove my point precisely, albeit with no manners whatsover.

Top Flight Club means to me antone playing in the top flight now - whilst Leeds, Forest, Derby, Sheff Weds, and even Notts County have top flight history, I feel it is the present that really determines whether you are 'top flight'. Sorry if I've got the wrong idea, but too many clubs live on past glory and think they have right to be called 'big clubs' - you are only as big as your last season.

Sorry admin 1.

I too was imprinted in the1960's, even before Coventry emerged from the primeval swamp of the lower leagues. Despite their moment of glory in the FA Cup (as per Wimbledon), and clinging on to top flight status by dubious methods year after year, I have never seen them as a top flight team.

I think there are many "little" clubs in the current Premier League, and while we will all have differing perceptions of them, I don't agree that it's wholly personal. Aston Villa and Manchester City for example had spells in the third tier, but in most peoples' eyes, I think they remained as top flight clubs because of their stadia, fanbase and history. Needless to say, I would put us in the same bracket.

Easy query - top flight means the top division.

Leicester, Derby, Forest - none of them are top flight teams.

Would you call the Sheffield clubs top flight even though they are in the 3rd tier?

We were johnny come lately's as you say, but we won it twice in that period. I'll tell you now, we don't feel very 'top flight' at present.

Oh and grim 90s?

Wasn't that when you last tasted success? When MON was manager and you had legends like Lennon and Savage playing for you, with Muzzy Izzett the perenial scrabble winner.

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10 replies to this thread, 5 of them by Derby and Notts Forest fans.

Nice to know they don't care about us.

The top flight of English football is the Premiership. Teams playing in it are in the top flight. Teams that aren't… aren't.

You can argue that there are big clubs, or well-supported clubs, or affluent clubs outside of the top flight, and that there are small, badly-supported and broke ones in it. But to pretend that the Wigans and Boltons are not there, or that the Leicesters and West Hams are is just flying in the face of the facts.

This weekend we're playing Coventry, not Chelsea. What more is there to be said?

Top-flight,it's a good economical golf-ball to me.

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"Top-flight,it's a good economical golf-ball to me."

Eeyore, you're really, really funny.

Oh well, it was only intended to fill a few idle moments. A pity so few - well, only one, so take a bow robsterblue - actually considered the point I was exploring, ie imprinting. We all know - but it was pointed out to us anyway - that any team is only as good as its last game.

Footnote for DerbyDan: O'Neill joined us in 1995.