Thank you Barca for not trying and allowing Celtic to *gain co-efficient points again
Actually Barca only account for 1 of those points SA
No if you hadnt beaten* Barca then you may not have qualified for the last 16 therefore the points wouldve been less
So Thank you Barca
comment by itsonlyagame - Ding-dong Mourinho's gone! (U6426)
posted 57 minutes ago
Platini had no answer. The bloke is an idiot. And don't even get me started on Qatar hosting the world cup.
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It's FIFA and not UEFA who chooses the World Cup venues.
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But Platini voted for Qatar.
Anyhow, this news is old news. The OP should get with the times.
http://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/209885
Why is anyone concerning themselves with a newly formed SFL2 team. They have absolutely no say in this whatsoever.
As opposed to Aberdeen We will be back in Europe before your lot are
Or you could also say had they paid tax and run an honest business your old club might have earned a few points for Scotland as well
but alas instead there is a screaming banshee in the third division threatening damnation and retribution to all those who did for them
You have to take into account, the amount of money we're talking about before France impose a 75% tax....
We're not talking about some guy who has managed a rags to riches tale...we're talking about guys on £250,000 A WEEK ffs...
If footballers / sports stars in general didn't get such obscene amounts of money, we wouldn't be paying ridiculous amounts of money to go watch games, and in turn, attendances would still be through the roof, week-in, week-out.
This is football at it's absolute money peak right now and it WILL tumble.
Many smaller clubs are already dying a death because kids never followed their family to games like back in the day, and kids are all gloryhunting armchair fans of the biggest clubs, who have never been to the ground to see them play live in their life, but call themselves "supporters".
The insanely rich are already running tax-dodges and filtering all their income via companies set up to avoid the top rates anyway.
The fact a footballer can't is tough luck imo
When someone who kicks a ball about a field takes home 8 times the average punters annual salary in a week, it pretty much sums up what's wrong.
Super Ally-King of the Phumpfest (U3685) posted 4 minutes ago
As opposed to Aberdeen We will be back in Europe before your lot are
With the team and management you have you'll be very unlikely to get out of SFL1 in 5 years time
And you guys are so far ahead you will be lucky to get a top 6 finish in the same timescale
I dunno like...Aberdeen are picking up a stack of OF rejects in pursuit of success nowadays...I hear the "San' Dancer" is available...
It's only a matter of time before you can compete with Ross County and Caley Thistle
The money they earn arguement dont really matter to me. Its not like fitba players are the only ones who are or have cashed in .
I havent noticed the same resentment against musicians, actors , other sports like golf , tennis etc.
"The solution is either to determine co-efficient on an individual basis or for UEFA to say: Scotland is a small country why are we giving them five European places?
Scotland would perform much better if it was allowed LESS clubs in qualifiers. It's a brutal fact.
Three clubs maximum in Scotland should get the chance of Europe."
So where do European places Scotlad lose go to in this scenario.....7th and 8th placed English clubs or something, meanig the successful leagues have EVEN MORE european participants???
Its a $hite state of affairs that the old firm suffer in europe ue to the rest of the clubs, but the flip side of that is that it should spur fans and associations to try and get better from ALL clubs, and gives the impetus for the league as a whole to improve.
Think some fans need to start coming down a peg or too and remembering that without a half decent domestic league their would be even more $hite thna it cutrrently is, wouldnt be able to attract any decent players and wouldnt get as far as they do in Europe.
Bit of a "we are the successful club, fck the rest" attitude on display in some of this article for me.
The co-efficient system in place to reward teams AND leagues as a whole for their success. It is in no way perfect, but as a Rangers fan, I'd rather we had to negotiate an extra qualifying round and for our co-efficint and european places to be decided as they are now, than for a one team approach to be taken, limiting the number of European places the league gets, thats pi$h.
The tic could go out in the first round next season for all we know, has happened before
german clubs also pay huge wages yet charge minimal prices
how can you honesty say the high wages mean high prices??
st mirren v Rangers in spl costs about £30
dont see st mirren forking out top wages
stevie I think its actually us who claim that number of places. a few of the countries ranked above us have less entrants.
dont know the details of why though
"how can you honesty say the high wages mean high prices??"
How much money does the Premier LEageu make in TV money???
Why are some Premier League ticket prices so extortionate???
Wages, is it not??
Club make an absolute killing in Champions League and Premier LEague income, yet have to charge fans a fortune for a season ticket.....mainly due to them giving giuys that kick a ball millions upon millions a year.
Think its fair to say, in most cases,high wges means high prices.
the german setup is the only setup that is geared to let their clubs compete ASWELL as maintaining a good deal for the fans
brooklynbrawler (U7253) posted 6 minutes ago
I dunno like...Aberdeen are picking up a stack of OF rejects in pursuit of success nowadays...I hear the "San' Dancer" is available...
It's only a matter of time before you can compete with Ross County and Caley Thistle
It's all relative though I mean look at the diddies at Celtic compared to the big teams in Europe and the likes of Stoke City, Aston Villa and West Brom.
The reason Scottish football is in such a state is solely down to Liverpool fans I
Look at the diddies at Celtic as compared to Chazza Adams at Stoke Fortune at West Brom
Lambert at Villa
Did the Liverpool fans steal the wheels from the SPL Euro car?
Rued, your star player was a Celtic cast-off.
Rued, your star player was a Celtic cast-off.
McGinn was hardly likely to flourish at Celtic with their "park the bus" approach. Now that he is playing in a passing continental style team he is phenomenal
Can't argue with that, Rued.
scotscelt
to the best of my knowledge, barring fair play allocations and winners of tournaments altering things, a country's coefficient at a set point in time dictates how many european places they get 2 season down the line.
The cut off points are as follows
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_coefficient#Country_coefficient
At the end of 07/08, a very successful season for Scottish clubs in Europe, our UEFA country ranking was 10th, that meant that, not in 08/09, but in 09/10, we were awarded 5 european places, 2 in the champions league, 4 in the europa league, and Motherwell got a fair play allocation.
At the end of 08/09, we were in 13th, which meant for 10/11 we had 5 places, 2 champions league and 3 europa league
End of 09/10 we were 16th, 15th is the cut off point for 2 champions league places, so we dropped to 4 places for 11/12, just the 1 champions league and 3 europa league.
End of 10/11, we were back up to 15th, which gave us that extra champions league place again, which is why last season we went back up to 5 teams in Europe, champions Celtic and 2nd placed Motherwell qualified for the Champions League, 3rd placed Dundee United, cup winners Hearts and 5th placed St Johnstone qualified for the Europa League
Tis how it always works to the best of my knowledge
Stevie.
I would cut the Europa League drastically and make it mimic the Champions League.
A simplistic 32 team competition and NO DROP OUTS from the Champions League.
At the beginning of the season 194 clubs have the chance of playing Europa League. I'm sorry but that number is far too high.
Once the status-quo is resumed, Scottish Football would benefit from having Celtic, Rangers and one other club contesting qualifiers- with every point earned divided by three.
Henrik
My honest belief is that you only get better by pitting yourself against a better opponent.
The more Scottish clubs we can get into the Europe, the better in my view.
Yes, the old firm will suffer as a reuslt of other teams being $hite in Europe.....but if Celtic can make it to the last 16 of the champions league one season, with the new qualifying setup that Platini installed to give lesser leagues a better chance and ensuring league champions in the qualifiers only play other league champions of leagues in most cases of lesser coefficients thatn ours, it really will only be the fault of Celtic if they dont qualify for the group stages.
Was the same for Rangers when they could play and compete against the likes of Barca and Lyon one season then fell flat on their face against Kaunas.
Its not a great situation, but its fair in my book, and gives clubs in this country with NO chance of winning the league, something to aspire to and a chance to outshine the old firm on a bigger stage, something they will NEVER do domestically
They have to take that chance be take responsibility for thier failures also, that doesnt happen, and that pi$$es me off.....everyone rips into the old firm if they are $hite in Europe, and the old firm these days now have to punch well above their weight in order to be considered as being successful in Europe.
Its not the old firm's fault if the 2nd, 3rd best teams in the country cant even get past the first fcking hurdle every season, thats their fault and its their responsibility to do better...much better
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posted on 5/6/13
Thank you Barca for not trying and allowing Celtic to *gain co-efficient points again
posted on 5/6/13
Actually Barca only account for 1 of those points SA
posted on 5/6/13
No if you hadnt beaten* Barca then you may not have qualified for the last 16 therefore the points wouldve been less
So Thank you Barca
posted on 5/6/13
comment by itsonlyagame - Ding-dong Mourinho's gone! (U6426)
posted 57 minutes ago
Platini had no answer. The bloke is an idiot. And don't even get me started on Qatar hosting the world cup.
--
It's FIFA and not UEFA who chooses the World Cup venues.
======================
But Platini voted for Qatar.
Anyhow, this news is old news. The OP should get with the times.
http://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/209885
posted on 5/6/13
Why is anyone concerning themselves with a newly formed SFL2 team. They have absolutely no say in this whatsoever.
posted on 5/6/13
As opposed to Aberdeen We will be back in Europe before your lot are
posted on 5/6/13
Or you could also say had they paid tax and run an honest business your old club might have earned a few points for Scotland as well
but alas instead there is a screaming banshee in the third division threatening damnation and retribution to all those who did for them
posted on 5/6/13
You have to take into account, the amount of money we're talking about before France impose a 75% tax....
We're not talking about some guy who has managed a rags to riches tale...we're talking about guys on £250,000 A WEEK ffs...
If footballers / sports stars in general didn't get such obscene amounts of money, we wouldn't be paying ridiculous amounts of money to go watch games, and in turn, attendances would still be through the roof, week-in, week-out.
This is football at it's absolute money peak right now and it WILL tumble.
Many smaller clubs are already dying a death because kids never followed their family to games like back in the day, and kids are all gloryhunting armchair fans of the biggest clubs, who have never been to the ground to see them play live in their life, but call themselves "supporters".
The insanely rich are already running tax-dodges and filtering all their income via companies set up to avoid the top rates anyway.
The fact a footballer can't is tough luck imo
When someone who kicks a ball about a field takes home 8 times the average punters annual salary in a week, it pretty much sums up what's wrong.
posted on 5/6/13
Super Ally-King of the Phumpfest (U3685) posted 4 minutes ago
As opposed to Aberdeen We will be back in Europe before your lot are
With the team and management you have you'll be very unlikely to get out of SFL1 in 5 years time
posted on 5/6/13
And you guys are so far ahead you will be lucky to get a top 6 finish in the same timescale
posted on 5/6/13
I dunno like...Aberdeen are picking up a stack of OF rejects in pursuit of success nowadays...I hear the "San' Dancer" is available...
It's only a matter of time before you can compete with Ross County and Caley Thistle
posted on 5/6/13
The money they earn arguement dont really matter to me. Its not like fitba players are the only ones who are or have cashed in .
I havent noticed the same resentment against musicians, actors , other sports like golf , tennis etc.
posted on 5/6/13
"The solution is either to determine co-efficient on an individual basis or for UEFA to say: Scotland is a small country why are we giving them five European places?
Scotland would perform much better if it was allowed LESS clubs in qualifiers. It's a brutal fact.
Three clubs maximum in Scotland should get the chance of Europe."
So where do European places Scotlad lose go to in this scenario.....7th and 8th placed English clubs or something, meanig the successful leagues have EVEN MORE european participants???
Its a $hite state of affairs that the old firm suffer in europe ue to the rest of the clubs, but the flip side of that is that it should spur fans and associations to try and get better from ALL clubs, and gives the impetus for the league as a whole to improve.
Think some fans need to start coming down a peg or too and remembering that without a half decent domestic league their would be even more $hite thna it cutrrently is, wouldnt be able to attract any decent players and wouldnt get as far as they do in Europe.
Bit of a "we are the successful club, fck the rest" attitude on display in some of this article for me.
The co-efficient system in place to reward teams AND leagues as a whole for their success. It is in no way perfect, but as a Rangers fan, I'd rather we had to negotiate an extra qualifying round and for our co-efficint and european places to be decided as they are now, than for a one team approach to be taken, limiting the number of European places the league gets, thats pi$h.
The tic could go out in the first round next season for all we know, has happened before
posted on 5/6/13
german clubs also pay huge wages yet charge minimal prices
how can you honesty say the high wages mean high prices??
st mirren v Rangers in spl costs about £30
dont see st mirren forking out top wages
posted on 5/6/13
stevie I think its actually us who claim that number of places. a few of the countries ranked above us have less entrants.
dont know the details of why though
posted on 5/6/13
"how can you honesty say the high wages mean high prices??"
How much money does the Premier LEageu make in TV money???
Why are some Premier League ticket prices so extortionate???
Wages, is it not??
Club make an absolute killing in Champions League and Premier LEague income, yet have to charge fans a fortune for a season ticket.....mainly due to them giving giuys that kick a ball millions upon millions a year.
Think its fair to say, in most cases,high wges means high prices.
the german setup is the only setup that is geared to let their clubs compete ASWELL as maintaining a good deal for the fans
posted on 5/6/13
brooklynbrawler (U7253) posted 6 minutes ago
I dunno like...Aberdeen are picking up a stack of OF rejects in pursuit of success nowadays...I hear the "San' Dancer" is available...
It's only a matter of time before you can compete with Ross County and Caley Thistle
It's all relative though I mean look at the diddies at Celtic compared to the big teams in Europe and the likes of Stoke City, Aston Villa and West Brom.
The reason Scottish football is in such a state is solely down to Liverpool fans I
posted on 5/6/13
Look at the diddies at Celtic as compared to Chazza Adams at Stoke Fortune at West Brom
Lambert at Villa
Did the Liverpool fans steal the wheels from the SPL Euro car?
posted on 5/6/13
Rued, your star player was a Celtic cast-off.
posted on 5/6/13
Rued, your star player was a Celtic cast-off.
McGinn was hardly likely to flourish at Celtic with their "park the bus" approach. Now that he is playing in a passing continental style team he is phenomenal
posted on 5/6/13
Can't argue with that, Rued.
posted on 5/6/13
scotscelt
to the best of my knowledge, barring fair play allocations and winners of tournaments altering things, a country's coefficient at a set point in time dictates how many european places they get 2 season down the line.
The cut off points are as follows
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_coefficient#Country_coefficient
At the end of 07/08, a very successful season for Scottish clubs in Europe, our UEFA country ranking was 10th, that meant that, not in 08/09, but in 09/10, we were awarded 5 european places, 2 in the champions league, 4 in the europa league, and Motherwell got a fair play allocation.
At the end of 08/09, we were in 13th, which meant for 10/11 we had 5 places, 2 champions league and 3 europa league
End of 09/10 we were 16th, 15th is the cut off point for 2 champions league places, so we dropped to 4 places for 11/12, just the 1 champions league and 3 europa league.
End of 10/11, we were back up to 15th, which gave us that extra champions league place again, which is why last season we went back up to 5 teams in Europe, champions Celtic and 2nd placed Motherwell qualified for the Champions League, 3rd placed Dundee United, cup winners Hearts and 5th placed St Johnstone qualified for the Europa League
Tis how it always works to the best of my knowledge
posted on 5/6/13
Stevie.
I would cut the Europa League drastically and make it mimic the Champions League.
A simplistic 32 team competition and NO DROP OUTS from the Champions League.
At the beginning of the season 194 clubs have the chance of playing Europa League. I'm sorry but that number is far too high.
Once the status-quo is resumed, Scottish Football would benefit from having Celtic, Rangers and one other club contesting qualifiers- with every point earned divided by three.
posted on 5/6/13
Henrik
My honest belief is that you only get better by pitting yourself against a better opponent.
The more Scottish clubs we can get into the Europe, the better in my view.
Yes, the old firm will suffer as a reuslt of other teams being $hite in Europe.....but if Celtic can make it to the last 16 of the champions league one season, with the new qualifying setup that Platini installed to give lesser leagues a better chance and ensuring league champions in the qualifiers only play other league champions of leagues in most cases of lesser coefficients thatn ours, it really will only be the fault of Celtic if they dont qualify for the group stages.
Was the same for Rangers when they could play and compete against the likes of Barca and Lyon one season then fell flat on their face against Kaunas.
Its not a great situation, but its fair in my book, and gives clubs in this country with NO chance of winning the league, something to aspire to and a chance to outshine the old firm on a bigger stage, something they will NEVER do domestically
They have to take that chance be take responsibility for thier failures also, that doesnt happen, and that pi$$es me off.....everyone rips into the old firm if they are $hite in Europe, and the old firm these days now have to punch well above their weight in order to be considered as being successful in Europe.
Its not the old firm's fault if the 2nd, 3rd best teams in the country cant even get past the first fcking hurdle every season, thats their fault and its their responsibility to do better...much better
posted on 5/6/13
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