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Charlie Adam At Liverpool

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comment by Tully (U4246)

posted on 6/8/11

Adam worth £10Million .

Ne'er mind bears you've still got Edu, Whittaker,McCulloch, Fleck, Broadfoot, Weir and Whittaker (again). Whittaker - the £20million man - he's so good you want to name him twice.

posted on 6/8/11

I don't think Edu or McCulloch are great players, but I do think a midfield needs water carriers. For me Adam and Davis wouldn't make a good midfield because they'd get overrun and the central defenders would be exposed. I've seen a few folk pining for a creative midfielder to play beside Davis, but if Davis is in the middle I reckon you need someone dull and solid beside him.

I guess I'm getting off topic, I'm not sure Adam would have ever developed into the player he is if he'd stayed at Ibrox.

posted on 6/8/11

Other clubs might not have made bids for Adam because they never had the chance to see exactly how talented he was owing to his lack of game time and being played out of position. The same cannot be said for Rangers or Walter Smith who had a sublime talent in their hands for years and chose to sell him for less than they paid for McCulloch, Edu or Whittaker.

posted on 6/8/11

"Other clubs might not have made bids for Adam because they never had the chance to see exactly how talented he was owing to his lack of game time and being played out of position".

He was on loan at Blackpool.

posted on 6/8/11

I remember on 606, the Rangers fans used to call him the 'Japanese Understudy' or something when Naka was in his prime. Seemed silly at the time, but not so silly now that he's got a move to Liverpool because of his ability from set-pieces.

The Adam situation also reminds me of when Advocaat took over and one of the first things he did was block Barry Ferguson's move to Sunderland, having been previously deemed surplus to requirements by Smith.

posted on 6/8/11

Tully, what's to say Fleck won't one day be a 10m man? No-one expected it with Adam.

Like I said, the SPL requires a certain sort of player. Unfortunately outright talent is deemed less important than the ability to take a mans head off with your elbows - so players like McCulloch get praised whilst (for the most part) Weiss gets slammed.

I am convinced some of the best players in La Liga etc would flop in the SPL because of how poor a standard it is. Quality players have to hit the ground running (Kayal, Izzaguire) because the honeymoon period lasts one game, then the fans are on your back.

posted on 6/8/11

He was on loan at Blackpool.
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And in the few months he spent there he was allowed him to showcase his talents and win a £10m move to Liverpool. That never happened at Rangers despite the fact he was there for eight years.

posted on 6/8/11

No, after the few months he was on loan there basically nobody else came in for him.

posted on 6/8/11

He moved to Blackpool for 18 months before Liverpool signed him.

posted on 6/8/11

I posted the same thing about Fleck a few weeks ago Ecosse, as can see the same thing happening to him. He's played out of position all the time he get 20 mins every few games or so and so doesn't get confident or sharp becuase of it. I hear it all the time from our fans (and Celtic's fans) a player makes a few mistakes and they are like 'Get him tae fluck. He's shyyte) The fans here have no patience.

I didn't want Adam to leave as I always remember watching him a lot when he was on loan to St Mirren and I thought he was cracking. He does give the ball away cheaply at times though and that's his weakness. I also didn't want Burke to leave either.

Once the Boo boys - or idiots as I like to rightfully call them - get on a players back then it's a hard way back although it can be done. Hutton, even Ally did it.

posted on 6/8/11

Adam needs to play against opposition that are also trying to play football, so no he would never have developed in the SPL where the emphasis is stopping the other team playing at all costs. With space and time he is brilliant, close him down or ask him to take the ball past someone, not so much.

posted on 6/8/11

"players like McCulloch get praised whilst (for the most part) Weiss gets slammed."

In what world did this happen?

Adam played a season on loan at St Mirren where he played every game and the midfield was built around him. He looked quite good, and if you watched him you would have predicted he would move to a bigger club - maybe Hearts or Aberdeen. No-one would (and no-one did) predict he would be a £10million footballer.

The very fact he left rangers to go to Blackpool and for such little money shows very few people rated him highly. Sometimes player mature later - look at Forlan. He really didn't do much at Man Utd and I don't think anyone critised Fergie at the time for selling him. But he's gone onto become one of the best in the world.
Larrson - he was nearly 26 when he joined celtic. Do you think Feyenoord would have sold him fir £700,000 if they knew how go he was going to be?

Tl;dr - No-one rated Adam when he left rangers, especially not celtic fans. Stop trying to score petty points and say something worthwhile for a change.

posted on 6/8/11

Don...

Clause in Larsson's contract allowed him to leave for that fee...

The man had scored in a WC semi-final before coming to Celtic

posted on 6/8/11

wcd - I don't think the problem was that Celtic fans didn't rate him the problem was that the Rangers manager didn't rate him.

posted on 6/8/11

But we did rate his sister's pants.

posted on 6/8/11

"lause in Larsson's contract allowed him to leave for that fee...

The man had scored in a WC semi-final before coming to Celtic"

No he hadn't.

posted on 6/8/11

I always thought Adam had talent, his first season under le guen and Smith he was immense 14 goals I think played mostly CM.

Then the following season played out of position had a few bad game the pressures on Smith he is shipped oot.

Smith as a great manager for Rangers as he was, I hated him for not giving youth a chance.

posted on 6/8/11

"Clause in Larsson's contract allowed him to leave for that fee...

The man had scored in a WC semi-final before coming to Celtic"

Yeah, i don't think thats true.

"I don't think the problem was that Celtic fans didn't rate him the problem was that the Rangers manager didn't rate him."

Yes, but the problem on this board is celtic fans claiming they did rate him.

posted on 6/8/11

Yes, but the problem on this board is celtic fans claiming they did rate him.
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No Celtic fan on this board has said they rated or didn't rate Adam. What has been said is that a played who now looks to compete shoulder to shoulder with Steven Gerrard in the middle of the Liverpool midfield, couldn't find a spot in a team which now houses far inferior players. This is a complete oversight and it was Walter Smiths. Let's not bring fans of other clubs into this debate clouding the issue and talking irrelevancies.

posted on 6/8/11

We had better, more experienced players for centre midfield in Charlie's time at the club including Ferguson, Mendes and Davis. And like I said, there wasn't a load of other clubs trying to snap up Adam.

posted on 6/8/11

BH - and if you had to chose two players from that list to play next week in the midfield, which two would it be?

posted on 6/8/11

From that time, Ferguson and Davis.

posted on 6/8/11

was a simple question BH. no need for time travel.

posted on 6/8/11

I was talking about the time hte decision was made. After all, you know what they say about hindsight. One thing you have to remember is that Davis, who is an excellent player, still doesn't always feature in centre midfield for us - he quite often plays wide. You may not fancy that formation. Maybe a lot of Gers fans don't fancy that formation. But it has certainly helped bring us success.

posted on 6/8/11

I think Davis and Adam would be a smashing duo in the middle of Rangers midfield. Davis to do the donkey work and Adam to pull the strings. Fair enough point about being successful with your current formation. But at what cost? Rangers have been abysmal in Europe even during the European run to Manchester the football was was rank. Functional but rank and was never going to trouble any decent teams.

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