Dont hate either of them

I hate Torres. In fact both sets of fans do.

I am with Suso. The idea of hating someone in these situations borders on the pathetic. Sad, untrusting of professional footballers, yes,but hate, personal hatred, no. Just a fervent hope that our team does better without them, and in Torres' case, 15 goals in two season for Chelsea makes me happy!
JimmyTheRed

I feel sorry for Torres, his career went down the drain.. and Suarez, I'm pretty indifferent, if the guy goes then yeah we'll get some cash for the guy, if he stays he'll be a great asset on the pitch.

I hate this article more

bad taste is certianly Suarez for me,

although i didnt agree with the way Torres treated the club, it was accpetable from a career point of view, even though painful that we couldnt match his ambitions sadly.

Suarez has been supported through a lot of the crap he brought up on himself, and he wants out, when he is half the issue we have failed, stinks to me.

dont hate either, but if Suarez is still here i will just be grateful for what he does for the team.

the sooner he is gone the better, i wanted the club to use him like he is us, but dont know anymore to be honest.

be better if he went abroad.

Torres has had a dip in form after being chased out the door for the money....Nice guy though.

Suarez is nasty!

But Torres never bad-mouthed the club when he was at liverpool nor when he went to Chelsea. In fact he spoke good about liverpool even after he left.
Suarez has publicly criticised your club even when he is still a liverpool player.

Don't hate either.

Torres left to go on to bigger and better things, he's won the Champions league, Europa League and is likely to win the league with Jose back. So his move was justifiable.

Suarez wants to got to Arsenal. He won't shiite there so it makes no sense.

Actually I don't think e wants to go to Arsenal, I think that's the only choice he has right now

I dislike Suarez way more. He sees us just as a stepping stone to bigger things and I never felt any particular affinity with the city or fanbase.
Torres, on the other hand, I feel no animosity toward. He grew frustrated with the state of the club and felt he had no option but to move on.
As he says in his own words:

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Fernando-Torres-accuses-Liverpool-of-lying-over-Chelsea-transfer-article845628.html

Suarez seems to have an issue with rodgers regarding a conversation they apparently had, I still think he will leave this transfer window however don't feel any negativity towards him.
When he played for us he gave a 100% at all times and performed to the best of his ability, at the end of the day we cant give him champions league football.

Except he never tells us what those lies were.

What is this lie he is speaking about?

FatJan.

I'm sure he will at some point. If I had to hazard a guess I'd say it was to do with FSG claiming they had the funds to satisfy Torres's Champs League ambitions. When It came clear that they didn't he felt betrayed and had to leave. Don't blame him.

What Suarez transfer?

He's still a Liverpool player isn't he?

Said before that Torres is the biggest warning to players not putting in effort to try to engineer a move. His game has never recovered from only trying in 3-4 big games for 18 months (I know injury has also played a part).

I'll never begrudge a player leaving during a summer, people move clubs, it's football. Agitating for a move mid season annoys me... I don't hate Torres but I was glad he won nothing that first season.

If I had to hazard a guess I'd say it was to do with FSG claiming they had the funds to satisfy Torres's Champs League ambitions. When It came clear that they didn't he felt betrayed and had to leave. Don't blame him.

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Possibly, but seeing as we'd just spent £22m on Suarez days before he handed on his transfer request I don't go with that theory. Imagine a front two of Suarez and Torres.

This is the issue I have with Suarez and Torres. How about instead of sulking, they tried to get us into the champions league instead of getting an easy ride to a club that's already in the champions league.

Had Suarez not been banned for 8 games 2 seasons ago we might have made a push for top 4. After all we were in 5th place at the time of his ban. Had Torres not sulked for a year we might have made a push for top 4.

I dislike them both.

Both downed tools when they didn't get their own way (according to sources such as Carra, who has no reason to lie).

That is just being a bad professional, it doesn't matter what the circumstances are, any professional footballer that just stops trying because they are having a little strop don't deserve the tag professional.

Torres at least stayed for 4 years, Suarez thinks staying for 5 mins is showing 'loyalty'.

I think Torres did feel a genuine affinity for the place, whereas Suarez is just a badge kisser. He would say how much he loved it at Accrington if they paid him enough.

In the case of Suarez though we knew what he was like so it's partly the clubs fault for buying him and putting up with him in the first place.

Torres more lost his way a bit, as his personal performance shows, whereas Suarez has always been a

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FatJan.

I take your point about the sulking but, with respect, I'd say you're falling into the trap of believing footballers give a t0ss about the club they play for. It's only the rarities like Gerrard or Neville who see their club as anything more than their employers.
It's only the fans who actually care.

Possibly, but seeing as we'd just spent £22m on Suarez days before he handed on his transfer request I don't go with that theory. Imagine a front two of Suarez and Torres.

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It's naive to think that way. Transfer negotiations can go on for days before us mere supporters here about them.

As for all the Suarez talk, it's actually quite amusing when you take a step back and look at it. Fans/Supporters will always celebrate a big money signing, while being completely dismissive of the fact that the player in question is leaving a club behind. In other words, we love it when players come into our club, yet hate it when they leave - yet it's often the case that the reasons they signed for our club in the first place are exactly the same reasons why they left their previous club. A step up. More money. Playing at a higher level.

Yet we can't stand it when the player (in question) wants to leave our club to seek the very same things that caused him to want to sign for our club in the first place.

All to often the loyalty card is played. That "loyalty" card means jack. We don't care about loyalty when the player isn't good enough for our clubs, so on that basis alone, why should the player care about loyalty when he deserves a better club than the one he is at? Answer, he shouldn't. Answer - he doesn't. And fans need to accept that.

But as fans, we never will. We'll just hate on a player who signed for us from another club, while dismissing the fact (and it is a fact) that the player that we are all too happy to see play in our team is only doing so because he left the team he was signed from behind.

To put it simply, fans are nothing but myopic. Fans ARE hypocritical. We love to see players arrive. Hate to see them leave. Can't stand the idea that a player we've supported could possibly turn his back on us in order to progress his own career. And that's the reality here. Liverpool, whether Liverpool fans like it or not, are not dining at the top table. So, currently, there are clubs to which their players can go to in order to better themselves. The reality stings, especially for such a huge club as Liverpool, where that reality, because of the clubs historical reputation in the game, in all probability stings a little bit more.

As for the OP's question, any Liverpool fan who understands the clubs history, recognises the club's current standing, and appreciates the difficulty that the club faces to get back at the top of the tree where it once was, should understand that. And appreciate that.

I take your point about the sulking but, with respect, I'd say you're falling into the trap of believing footballers give a t0ss about the club they play for. It's only the rarities like Gerrard or Neville who see their club as anything more than their employers.
It's only the fans who actually care.

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Mate I definitely don't believe that. But when they are at a club they should show a certain amount of loyalty. A player may want to leave, and I can't begrudge them that, but all I expect is that the player gives his all. It's only professional to do so. Torres sulked. Suarez is sulking. They don't owe the club anything, but they should behave professionally .

All to often the loyalty card is played. That "loyalty" card means jack. We don't care about loyalty when the player isn't good enough for our clubs, so on that basis alone, why should the player care about loyalty when he deserves a better club than the one he is at? Answer, he shouldn't. Answer - he doesn't. And fans need to accept that.

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Fair point, but loyalty to me isn't kissing the badge and saying that you love the club. I want a player to act professionally, that is, to give their all despite the circumstances. Yes we do sell loyal players, but there are various reasons for that, age, quality etc. For example Kuyt in his last season at the club probably knew he'd be going but he didn't down tools. That's professional. Suarez and Torres sulking when they wanted out isn't professional.

But when they are at a club they should show a certain amount of loyalty

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Why?

Us fans only demand a certain amount of loyalty if we regard the player as good enough to play for our team. If he isn't, then no matter how much effort he puts in, no matter how hard he tries, no matter how much he feels pride in wearing the shirt, if he isn't good enough, we, us fans, couldn't give a toss if he is sold.

It's only when a player is good enough that we care. So why should a player who is good enough to play at a higher level than our club currently is at care about us fans? For us fans, it's a lifetime commitment. For players, it's a career. One in which they want to achieve everything that they possibly can.