What upsets people is that there can be no such thing as perfection all the time. All other teams in the division want to win and will strive as much as possible to do so. So there is never an easy game.

It is the recession more than team performances which have reduced gates. All crowds are reduced in numbers. Not just at PP which would be the case if it were down solely to Nigel. I frankly don't know if Derby have lost more, or less than average but they are still one of the best clubs in the Championship for crowd size. The paucity of Chris's argument shows it's more to do with him just enjoying his own negativity.

I have no idea why it has posted twice!!!

Ramdini - who knows but it was worth reading twice!

Chris - point by point to your post:-

"Firstly, as I've said before it's the happy clappers club on here who are not representative of the wider fanbase" - use the phrase all you like but no-one claps unless they are happy and, frankly, I'd like to clap a lot more. Why use 666's inaccurate name anyway. Where we differ from the "doom mongers" is that we can see both sides of the fence, not just the dark side.

"I hear plenty of criticism of Nigel Clough".... so do we, and its boring as hell and although I admit some of it is justified, most of it is born of ignorance.

"Don't forget the thousands who he has already driven away through apathy as well" - do you know what, the main reason I dont go more often is not apathy, its lack of spare cash and time. But also, partly, its because I'm sick to death of hearing people moaning.

"It's more letting three in at home to an average team that upsets people" - rubbish. That upsets everyone, fans and players alike. Its the reaction after we let in the 1st goal that's poor. Rather than rallying in support, people are too quick to get on players backs and that just makes matters worse.

Got to agree with you Peeder, nothing riles me more than people jeering their own players especially early in a game, lets face it, it's not no going to inspire a player to up his game of make the right decisions

Owd Ramdini, blind as a bat, still banging the Pro-Clough drum.. I only wish you could spare a bit of your unquestioning devotion to Derby County instead of just that son from Duffield

The term "Happy Clapper" says far more about the intelligence of the person using the term than it ever does about the person it is aimed at.

These are the times when we see the difference between:

1) the Fan: a person who is, as the name suggests, a fanatic, and prone to unpredictable behaviour and rash actions.

and

2) The supporter : A person who, if we are to buy into the Darwinian philosophy, has a brain sufficiently developed in order to comprehend the benefits of cheering his team on, effectively, becoming, with the help of like-minded colleagues, the 'twelfth man'.

It is important to remember that adherence to any position other than that outlined in number (2) is likely to result in playing into the oppositions hands.

Thank you, and goodnight.

Moj, profound!

Peeder: ((((noddingsagelysmiley)))))

Moj

Supporters of the club, or supporters of the manager?

It ain't always the same thing. If you want examples of fanaticism, look no further than the sycophantic outrage on here by the usual suspects who are only too happy to declare Ni-jihad on anyone who dare question their idol.

"Sycophantic"

"Happy Clappers"

"Crayons"

"Your Nige"

Isn't it time for some new material?

"Where we differ from the "doom mongers" is that we can see both sides of the fence, not just the dark side."

C'mon Peeder you are better than this comment, surely. Can you expand on exactly what is meant by "Doom Monger", and who exactly fits in to this catagory? I hope you are not saying that the only critical thinkers are the ones who don't moan but see positive in EVERYTHING!

I personally don't go to worship every Saturday because the experience leaves me empty and unfulfilled. I wouldn't accuse any one of our Fans of being a "happy clapper" nor a "doom monger", but I will say we have all become a bunch of apathetics. And anyone who claims that any other manager apart from Nigel would have been afforded 5 years of obscurity with rebuilding and precious little progress, needs a reality check. Personally I think Nigel has been short changed, but the fact that in 5 years we still havent established a confident and dependable defense should raise questions. If any of you haven't asked these questions or considered the possibility that NC is not the Manager we need then I question whether you can call yourself a "supporter" or a "fan".

"Isn't it time for some new material?"

I've been calling for him to go less time than you pukes have been tugging yourselves off over this 'legacy' BS; why don't you take a moment to assess rather than assume just because of a surname?

Now THAT would make a change!!

666, I have seldom read such tedious, tiresome nonsense as your 'articles' of late - apart from the 3 or 4 year old ones resurrected and regurgitated by Mostyn.

What point are you trying to make, and who are you trying to make it to? More to the point, have you been overdoing the Miguel de Cervantes of late?

The point I'm making, although I have to say I thought I'd dumbed it down sufficiently such that even those of your faculties would 'get' it, is that I do not believe Nigel Clough to be a suitable manager. Sorry that you haven't been able to discern as much from the content but that perhaps speaks more to your capabilities than it does my own.

Who I'm making this point to is simply 'the public' hence the use of a public forum. It's predominantly populated by Derby fans on these specific pages so targeted more specifically at them, but it seems my opinions are finding less Derby fans on here and instead more Nigel Clough enthusiasts.

Trust this helps

More to the point.

What are you doing posting at such an unearthly hour.

Knock the puerile nonsense about relative intelligence on the head for once, 666. We all know that in a battle of wits with an amoeba and a yogurt that you would come third.

We all know that you have ranted and railed on here for the last four years, but the louder you shout, the more people ignore you. You are the little boy who cried 'wolf' - perhaps you ought to go and support them.

It's down to the unborn using the wife's bladder as a punchbag, Watnall

What should we do then, Eddie: pretend everything's tickety-boo at Derby and have no opinions expressed?

Little wonder you're nomadic on the forums: can't find one where your opinion is the only one voiced, hey? Perhaps you should try a diary instead

Perhaps Eddie's namecheck of Cervantes is apt...

666's tilting at the windmills of his own mind...

Of course everything isn't 'tickety-boo'. Life, never mind football, rarely is, and that's what helps generate debate, as people bring differing opinions to the table to try and bring out about the changes they perceive as necessary.

My two cents is that I think DCFC on balance are getting it just about right. There are very few clubs that have stuck with the revolving door, throw money at it policy, that are flourishing, and if they are, they are at the mercy of the roulette wheel.

There are so many variables in football that are totally outside your control, it makes perfect sense to me to build on continuity, something you CAN control.

Never have I suggested that everything's tickety-boo, 666.

I seem to recall you saying at the cricket a year ago how much you were warming to Clough, and that even you were beginning to come around to the idea that 'slow steady progress' just might do the trick. So what changed? If you were in favour this time last year, and we have undoubtedly improved again since then, why the sudden change of heart? Were you telling porkies then or are you telling porkies now?

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, 666 - even you. Just have a real one, and not one that is purely manufactured in order to elicit the same response over and over again ad nauseum. Trolling's fun for a time, but it does get tedious.

I wouldn't know about trolling being fun, Eddie, but I'll bow to your experience.

Clough OUT.

You know that's just the sexual frustration and faecophobia talking, 666

666, you see the thing is that you keep calling us happyclappers and saying we all think everything is ticketyboo. But as Eddie, Moj and I have tried to explain, that simply isnt the case.
We are just able to view the bigger picture than you can with your blinkers on and believe, on balance at this moment in time, that Nigel is doing a good job.
It must be terribly depressing living life like you do. Dont know how your other half copes.

666 has become a caricature of his former self