posted 2 hours, 51 minutes ago
There is a top 3 and Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs are on a par. Everton, Swansea and Southampton aren't far off.
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Probably somewhere near the truth.

Whoever brought out the history arguments needs to be shot. Look at the description in the article - talking about how it used to be a big 4 in the 00's and has it now evolved into a big 7. What the hell does that have to do with who won what decades ago?

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We all know that a transition period can take players a long time to adjust.

You can't expect players to adapt to a passing possession game from hoofing type football overnight.I know Stoke are taking time to adjust just as Liverpool did the following season and then there's our team.

How long do you reckon it would take Everton players to adapt to the passing game after years of playing hoofball under Moyes?

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We are worse off points wise than last season at the same stage...

Who knows.

posted 2 hours, 51 minutes ago
There is a top 3 and Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs are on a par. Everton, Swansea and Southampton aren't far off.
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Probably somewhere near the truth.

Whoever brought out the history arguments needs to be shot. Look at the description in the article - talking about how it used to be a big 4 in the 00's and has it now evolved into a big 7. What the hell does that have to do with who won what decades ago?
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You can thank your very own Sandy Brown for that one. And yes, he needs to be shot....

Another thread ruined by Sandy.

I don't know what's more funny, him pretending to be an old man or people believing him

For me there's a top 3 that are pretty close, Spurs and Arsenal are pretty close and then Everton and Liverpool are pretty close and then there is a little gap before the next teams like Southampton and Swansea (though they have ropey league so I have them down for 11th)

So there is a top 7 but I think that can be easily split into a 3 a 2 and another 2.

If the points difference between 7th and 4th is closer than between 7th and 8th then fair enough. That would show that there are seven clubs competing for four places throughout the whole season and that they are much further adrift than the teams from eighth, onwards. However, the table shows a different story.

2012-13: Liverpool in 7th are equidistant to 8th and 4th.
2011-12 Everton in 7th closer to 8th than 4th.
2010-11 Everton in 7th closer to 8th than 4th.
2009-10 Liverpool in 7th closer to 8th than 4th.
2008-09 Fulham in 7th closer to 8th than 4th.

All the trophies in the world won`t help Liverpool in the second decade of the 21st century. As I said they are all history mate. Try finishing above Everton first. One step at a time.
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sandy_clown, try not to get thrashed at home by striker less teams likes West Ham...then we can talk about big clubs mug..

All the trophies in the world won`t help Liverpool in the second decade of the 21st century. As I said they are all history mate. Try finishing above Everton first. One step at a time.
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Unless you're in the top four then your league position doesn't matter, the difference between 5th, 6th, 7th is irrelevant other than the Europa League which most fans don't seem to care about.

Haven't Liverpool won more trophies in the second decade of the 21st Century than you?

2012-13: Liverpool in 7th are equidistant to 8th and 4th.
2011-12 Everton in 7th closer to 8th than 4th.
2010-11 Everton in 7th closer to 8th than 4th.
2009-10 Liverpool in 7th closer to 8th than 4th.
2008-09 Fulham in 7th closer to 8th than 4th.
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All that demonstrates is that if there is a new trend towards ‘bunching up’ at the top, it doesn’t go back 5 years.

If you compiled a league table from January 2013, it wouldn’t look wildly different from the way it looks now (though obviously United and City would be higher).

There are more unknowns this year, as several of the teams have new managers, and the transitions will make varying degrees of difference to each of the clubs. The general trend so far seems to be that the clubs at the top are losing points more often to teams lower down the league, and the likely effect of this is that it will bunch up more at the top, rather than 2,3, 4 teams running away from the rest.

It could revert to type as the season progresses, but the fact that this pattern-change goes back to the beginning of 2013 does raise the question of whether it may be more than a blip.

But it certainly doesn’t go back 5 years, no.

I used five years so people wouldn't accuse me of basing my argument on one season.

I will be surprised if the team in 7th is closer to 4th than it is to 8th.

I will be surprised if the team in 7th is closer to 4th than it is to 8th.
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....maybe, but if you look at the results from the back end of last season (January 2013 onwards), it looks a less surprising outcome.

terminator1

What the hell does that have to do with who won what decades ago?
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You can thank your very own Sandy Brown for that one. And yes, he needs to be shot....




Oh so it was me that posted a list of trophies won by both clubs. Take your medicine like a man, not like a coward, trying to blame somebody else. Your a typical Liverpool fans, only have history to fall back on. Your a slippery coward, trying to pass the buck.

I'll be shocked if a team finished anywhere near 11 points clear at the top of the league like United did last year.

I'll be surprised if the team that finishes 4th this season would not have less than 75 point to do so.

I think the team that finishes 4th from bottom will need 40 points to survive.

I think the top 7 will be the same top 7 as last season.

I think gap between 7th and 8th will be less than the12 points last season ,but also the gap between first and 7th witll be less than the 27 points it was last season.

Top 5 I expect to be the same as last season,but I think United may struggle to get top 4.

The quality of the top 5 teams hasn't as a whole improved as much as the quality of the remaining 15 teams squad wise.Mid table teams have improved quality of their squads more and so can compensate for injuries to their first choice players more

Sandy, you mug, the success of a club is measured in it's trophies, we win them, you don't end of

terminator1

Surely you can acknowledge that success is winning things, not just finishing 4/5th..... And not since 1960 have you bettered us in that respect....


Go away you mug, in 1961 Spurs won the league and the Cup, in 1962 Spurs won the FA Cup, finished 3rd in the league, and the semis of the European Cup. Meanwhile Liverpool were playing 2nd Division Football at the same time. You don`t know much about football history do you mate. Your out of your depth you clown.

Reggie

Sandy, you mug, the success of a club is measured in it's trophies.


Funny that the old time scousers used to say the only success was what happened in the league. You`ve changed your tune. And anyway what trophies are Liverpool going to win this season, you`ve only got the FA Cup left, and one bad draw and your season will be finished in January.

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comment by sandy_brown (U13619)
posted 21 minutes ago
Reggie

Sandy, you mug, the success of a club is measured in it's trophies.


Funny that the old time scousers used to say the only success was what happened in the league. You`ve changed your tune. And anyway what trophies are Liverpool going to win this season, you`ve only got the FA Cup left, and one bad draw and your season will be finished in January.
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When was this Sandy, we used to get a lot of "history lessons " from scousers and they only ever talked about trophies won (which just so happens to include league titles but not priritised).

Can't see them changing their tune, are you making it up as you go along again?

You posted this Sandy, I replied to it. Get your facts straight. You started the history.....
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comment by sandy_brown (U13619)
posted 7 hours, 37 minutes ago
Terminator

Liverpools History mid 60s to mid 80s, what happened to the other 100 years.

FFS Spurs won the double before Liverpool,.a European Trophy before Liverpool, back to back FA Cups before Liverpool, the League Cup before Liverpool. Need I go on. Your club had a 20 year period, of a 150 year football history.
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So you see Sandy, you're full of shiite as usual.

Meanwhile Liverpool were playing 2nd Division Football at the same time. You don`t know much about football history do you mate. Your out of your depth you clown.
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Liverpool aren't desperate enough to list 2nd division champions on their honours list unlike Spurs. You're right, I don't know much about Spurs history, trying to find out about Spurs success is a very difficult task, I'd have more luck searching for the Holy Grail

And Sandy, every time you've moved the goalposts I've shot you down in flames. It's you that is out of ones depth.....

Admin,

Pleeeeeeeeeease put an end to this nonsense?!

sandy

here and now you say..........

you are below us in the premiership

you spent the bale money yet you got tanked by sam and the hammers.......

and you aint even in the cl

so on behalf of my fellow deluded scousers......what are you crowing about , you old senile eejit

Spurs club motto should be

'We celebrate everything but achieve nothing'

scousers have lost the plot again, shiiiite club, shiiiite city.

The altitude has gone to the scousers head

They will be back down scrapping with their try competitors (Swansea west brom and Everton) in due course