Villa's 4th loss in 5 games.

No points for guessing who they won against.

I hate VAR but there is no way as yet to determine offside decisions in black and white terms, like we can with goal line technology. I guess we have to make do with the lines until we have a more clear idea or just get rid of it altogether.

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comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
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comment by Spurtle (U1608)
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I hate VAR but there is no way as yet to determine offside decisions in black and white terms, like we can with goal line technology. I guess we have to make do with the lines until we have a more clear idea or just get rid of it altogether.
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Acknowledge there is a grey area (margin of error) with existing technology and any offside/onside decision within that grey area, the advantage goes to the forward. Not facking rocket sconce.
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But then we would have to measure the size of the grey area...

comment by Analog (U17200)
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comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
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comment by Spurtle (U1608)
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I hate VAR but there is no way as yet to determine offside decisions in black and white terms, like we can with goal line technology. I guess we have to make do with the lines until we have a more clear idea or just get rid of it altogether.
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Acknowledge there is a grey area (margin of error) with existing technology and any offside/onside decision within that grey area, the advantage goes to the forward. Not facking rocket sconce.
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But then we would have to measure the size of the grey area...
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exactly, and then would have the exact same problem just at a different margin

VAR is alright. The use of VAR isnt.

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comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
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comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 42 seconds ago
I hate VAR but there is no way as yet to determine offside decisions in black and white terms, like we can with goal line technology. I guess we have to make do with the lines until we have a more clear idea or just get rid of it altogether.
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Acknowledge there is a grey area (margin of error) with existing technology and any offside/onside decision within that grey area, the advantage goes to the forward. Not facking rocket sconce.
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But then we would have to measure the size of the grey area...
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Exactly. You'll always get the question of where you draw the line at, figuratively, not literally speaking.

Aston Villa have lost 4 of their last 7 PL games

They beat Liverpool, Arsenal and Leicester
They lost to Leeds, Southampton, Brighton and West Ham

comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 44 seconds ago
VAR is alright. The use of VAR isnt.
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Except that’s not correct, because there’s no other way to use it.

Offsides are essentially a matter of fact and so if we accept VAR then we accept this ridiculous level of precision.

comment by Forrr - Admin 4 (U18420)
posted 2 minutes ago
Aston Villa have lost 4 of their last 7 PL games

They beat Liverpool, Arsenal and Leicester
They lost to Leeds, Southampton, Brighton and West Ham
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They’re a bit like us last year.

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Anyone watch the Anton Ferdinand documentary?

comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
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comment by Analog (U17200)
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comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
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comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 42 seconds ago
I hate VAR but there is no way as yet to determine offside decisions in black and white terms, like we can with goal line technology. I guess we have to make do with the lines until we have a more clear idea or just get rid of it altogether.
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Acknowledge there is a grey area (margin of error) with existing technology and any offside/onside decision within that grey area, the advantage goes to the forward. Not facking rocket sconce.
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But then we would have to measure the size of the grey area...
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At least it wouldn't be cancelling out goals when they don't know. Outside the margin of error you would know for sure whether it was offside or not. You would just need to have the technology to be able to know the margin of error on demand for each situation. Frame rate is a constant, it would be down to speed and direction of travel of last defender and attacker of interest.
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You've just gone and answered why we are making do with what we have. If we had that sort of technology now that you speak of then it would be implemented already to determine offsides better. But we don't.

comment by Constantinople (U11781)
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Anyone watch the Anton Ferdinand documentary?
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pc gone mad

Incredible that a penalty wasn’t given. VAR is a disgrace

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comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
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comment by Spurtle (U1608)
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I hate VAR but there is no way as yet to determine offside decisions in black and white terms, like we can with goal line technology. I guess we have to make do with the lines until we have a more clear idea or just get rid of it altogether.
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Acknowledge there is a grey area (margin of error) with existing technology and any offside/onside decision within that grey area, the advantage goes to the forward. Not facking rocket sconce.
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But then we would have to measure the size of the grey area...
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At least it wouldn't be cancelling out goals when they don't know. Outside the margin of error you would know for sure whether it was offside or not. You would just need to have the technology to be able to know the margin of error on demand for each situation. Frame rate is a constant, it would be down to speed and direction of travel of last defender and attacker of interest.
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You've just gone and answered why we are making do with what we have. If we had that sort of technology now that you speak of then it would be implemented already to determine offsides better. But we don't.
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Maybe we should do what the Dutch do and if the lines overlap with each other then the benefit goes to the attacker.

Or it goes with the on field decision should I say.

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comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 2 minutes ago
For the it would just be making another line argument, I don't mind the precision thing I just want accuracy in decision making. What we have right now for decisions with mm and cm in it, is a guess, it is not accurate. With margin of error line included it would be ireffutable outside those lines, within those lines you can just give the advantage to the forward.
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And you’d then have the same issue of cm’s and mm’s being in that line. It’s the same issue but less accurate than what is already being done.

for me, offside rule should simply me based on feet only.

regardless of where your head/arm/knee etc are

makes it very easy on both sides. players know what to keep in mind to stay onside/offside. Linesman can focus on one area only - and VAR ruling is simple

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comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
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For the it would just be making another line argument, I don't mind the precision thing I just want accuracy in decision making. What we have right now for decisions with mm and cm in it, is a guess, it is not accurate. With margin of error line included it would be ireffutable outside those lines, within those lines you can just give the advantage to the forward.
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Do we even know what we're measuring? The rules are all over the place.

As far as I can tell, the Watkins offside decision came down to how high a teammate on the other end of the pitch chose to wear his sleeves.

comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 2 minutes ago
For the it would just be making another line argument, I don't mind the precision thing I just want accuracy in decision making. What we have right now for decisions with mm and cm in it, is a guess, it is not accurate. With margin of error line included it would be ireffutable outside those lines, within those lines you can just give the advantage to the forward.
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Well if we do have that technology as you pointed out above that tells us one way or another whether it's offside or not then I'd rather it was instant like the goal line technology, and that's what must be stopping it from being used.

Personally I'm all for giving VAR a time limit to decide on an offside decision. If they haven't come to a conclusion within the time limit then go with the attacker. That should at least rule out all the obvious mistakes, while ending the wait while they get the double lines out.

Maybe we should get rid of the "obvious" in clear and obvious when it comes to offsides.

If it's clearly offside on the replay then it's given. If you have to zoom in then it's not.