comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sideshow (U11809)
posted 2 minutes ago
Pep's Barca were so much better than this one
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So much better? This Barca are in for a very realistic chance of a treble, and have a better attacking line than Pep's Barca sides.
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Pep's Barca were perfect, this Barca is efficient, much more reliant on individual talents. Equally effective
I prefer this side, peps barca would sometimes try to pass it in too often. This team is more destructive.
comment by KnottyAshTaxDodger (U8934)
posted 7 minutes ago
What the fresh hell is in Jeff Stellings trouser pocket ?
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I be he has a Cammy doll.
Bayern were much better when Jupp Heynckes was manager and they were smashing Barca 7-0 on aggregate.
If it ain't broke don't fix it
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No way are they better now
They even dive less
They aren't better now, but for more entertaining. Peps Barca wins 7/10 against this current one.
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 3 minutes ago
Bayern were much better when Jupp Heynckes was manager and they were smashing Barca 7-0 on aggregate.
If it ain't broke don't fix it
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i agree to a degree, I often think is is the hallmark of a weaker manager who feels the need to change something to make their mark, it often takes a more assured manager to reconise when something is working, this (as in life) usually comes with age and is why managers like AVB are flawed, they are not not pragmatic and far too much of what is done is done with appearances in the back of their mind, it is terrible management as it shows a complete lack of appreciation for the game, they are not tacticians, they are a brand (and I don't mean that in a positive way).
The other side of the coin though Superb is A.) accounting for a squad suffering from getting stale and B.) addressing flaws before they are realised, for example look at how Mourinho handled the decline of Ashley Cole, at the time everyone (myself included) thought he was mad, actually I have to admit I thought he was doing that AVB trying to make his mark but of course I was stupid to question the ultimate pragmatist in Jose.
comment by 50 (U1147)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sideshow (U11809)
posted 2 minutes ago
Pep's Barca were so much better than this one
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So much better? This Barca are in for a very realistic chance of a treble, and have a better attacking line than Pep's Barca sides.
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Pep's Barca were perfect, this Barca is efficient, much more reliant on individual talents. Equally effective
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Pep's Barca were great and had a prolonged spell of dominance, but as you say this team individually are perhaps even better than under Pep. At the moment I'm talking about the standard this team are at for the time being, and they look as formidable if not more so than in the peak Barca years under Pep.
Please excuse some off tangent drug rants tonight.
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Yeah, but they'll just beat you more. That's how it works.
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Truly pragmatic managers, devoid of making decisions based on ego (hard as that may be for many to believe from two perspectives), with the requisite tactical nous and quality squad (or least have elements to work with )
Even then it is just sport, at a high level and when two good teams come to play a stroke of good fortune is often the difference, you could argue over a duration luck isn't luck but in any moment, fine moments and all.
Barca are beatable with the right combination of attributes but easy to beat? Never.
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Lionel messi.
That is how you take a game by the scruff of the neck and win it.
The Droog, fair enough.
Seeing Pep take an outstanding Bayern team that was bulldozing all before them and turn them into just a good side is exactly the reason I'm glad we didn't get Pep at Chelsea.
I don't think he's a bad manager by any means, I still think he's a good one. But a lot of the success he had at Barca was down to having a footballing genius in his side as well as some other fantastic players in their prime like Xavi and Iniesta.
The Barca players and staff who are still at the club from Peps time there will have helped work out a system to beat Munich.
comment by KnottyAshTaxDodger (U8934)
posted 17 minutes ago
The Barca players and staff who are still at the club from Peps time there will have helped work out a system to beat Munich.
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Players don't work out systems, they just play football under instructions from their manager.
If anyone should have worked out a system to beat Barca then surely it would be Pep with his massive inside knowledge of the club, it's players and their playing style.
I suppose you could argue beyond a players instruction buying in to a teams philosophy gets that bit more from a player in both terms of aptitude and attitude, they don't have to understand why granted but anything that helps makes them feel more part of a team, an important cog in an even more important team all pulling in the same direction.
Just maybe Barcelona are too good and no amount of coaching would stop them?
Watching these sides now gives you an appreciation of just how out of this world barca were 4 or 5 years ago, never seen a team dominate any team the way they did.
People keep saying this Barca side isn't as good as a few years ago but they keep flattening all before them.
Messi is as good as ever. Neymar and Suarez are better than Eto'o and Henry or Villa and Pedro in support of Messi.
They haven't got a prime Xavi but Rakitic is a fantastic player.
Puyol was a great but so is Pique.
It's a very close call this season, especially if they go on and do the treble which they have a significant chance of doing.
Pep played into Barca's hands with his tactics to try and dominate them...and also playing Lewandowski who looked like he needed the cure for cancer last night.
Barca could've been 3-0 up at HT if Suarez took his chances.
This Barca side is devastating.
Would loved to have seen a fully fit Bayern Team with Robben, Ribery and Alaba take on this Barca team oh and of course Lewandowski without the broken face.
Lawro was on top form last night for 5live
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posted on 6/5/15
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sideshow (U11809)
posted 2 minutes ago
Pep's Barca were so much better than this one
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So much better? This Barca are in for a very realistic chance of a treble, and have a better attacking line than Pep's Barca sides.
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Pep's Barca were perfect, this Barca is efficient, much more reliant on individual talents. Equally effective
posted on 6/5/15
I prefer this side, peps barca would sometimes try to pass it in too often. This team is more destructive.
posted on 6/5/15
comment by KnottyAshTaxDodger (U8934)
posted 7 minutes ago
What the fresh hell is in Jeff Stellings trouser pocket ?
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I be he has a Cammy doll.
posted on 6/5/15
Bayern were much better when Jupp Heynckes was manager and they were smashing Barca 7-0 on aggregate.
If it ain't broke don't fix it
posted on 6/5/15
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 6/5/15
No way are they better now
They even dive less
posted on 6/5/15
They aren't better now, but for more entertaining. Peps Barca wins 7/10 against this current one.
posted on 6/5/15
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 3 minutes ago
Bayern were much better when Jupp Heynckes was manager and they were smashing Barca 7-0 on aggregate.
If it ain't broke don't fix it
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i agree to a degree, I often think is is the hallmark of a weaker manager who feels the need to change something to make their mark, it often takes a more assured manager to reconise when something is working, this (as in life) usually comes with age and is why managers like AVB are flawed, they are not not pragmatic and far too much of what is done is done with appearances in the back of their mind, it is terrible management as it shows a complete lack of appreciation for the game, they are not tacticians, they are a brand (and I don't mean that in a positive way).
The other side of the coin though Superb is A.) accounting for a squad suffering from getting stale and B.) addressing flaws before they are realised, for example look at how Mourinho handled the decline of Ashley Cole, at the time everyone (myself included) thought he was mad, actually I have to admit I thought he was doing that AVB trying to make his mark but of course I was stupid to question the ultimate pragmatist in Jose.
posted on 6/5/15
comment by 50 (U1147)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sideshow (U11809)
posted 2 minutes ago
Pep's Barca were so much better than this one
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So much better? This Barca are in for a very realistic chance of a treble, and have a better attacking line than Pep's Barca sides.
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Pep's Barca were perfect, this Barca is efficient, much more reliant on individual talents. Equally effective
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Pep's Barca were great and had a prolonged spell of dominance, but as you say this team individually are perhaps even better than under Pep. At the moment I'm talking about the standard this team are at for the time being, and they look as formidable if not more so than in the peak Barca years under Pep.
posted on 6/5/15
Please excuse some off tangent drug rants tonight.
posted on 6/5/15
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 6/5/15
Yeah, but they'll just beat you more. That's how it works.
posted on 6/5/15
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 6/5/15
Truly pragmatic managers, devoid of making decisions based on ego (hard as that may be for many to believe from two perspectives), with the requisite tactical nous and quality squad (or least have elements to work with )
Even then it is just sport, at a high level and when two good teams come to play a stroke of good fortune is often the difference, you could argue over a duration luck isn't luck but in any moment, fine moments and all.
Barca are beatable with the right combination of attributes but easy to beat? Never.
posted on 6/5/15
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 6/5/15
Lionel messi.
That is how you take a game by the scruff of the neck and win it.
posted on 6/5/15
The Droog, fair enough.
Seeing Pep take an outstanding Bayern team that was bulldozing all before them and turn them into just a good side is exactly the reason I'm glad we didn't get Pep at Chelsea.
I don't think he's a bad manager by any means, I still think he's a good one. But a lot of the success he had at Barca was down to having a footballing genius in his side as well as some other fantastic players in their prime like Xavi and Iniesta.
posted on 6/5/15
The Barca players and staff who are still at the club from Peps time there will have helped work out a system to beat Munich.
posted on 7/5/15
comment by KnottyAshTaxDodger (U8934)
posted 17 minutes ago
The Barca players and staff who are still at the club from Peps time there will have helped work out a system to beat Munich.
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Players don't work out systems, they just play football under instructions from their manager.
If anyone should have worked out a system to beat Barca then surely it would be Pep with his massive inside knowledge of the club, it's players and their playing style.
posted on 7/5/15
I suppose you could argue beyond a players instruction buying in to a teams philosophy gets that bit more from a player in both terms of aptitude and attitude, they don't have to understand why granted but anything that helps makes them feel more part of a team, an important cog in an even more important team all pulling in the same direction.
posted on 7/5/15
Just maybe Barcelona are too good and no amount of coaching would stop them?
Watching these sides now gives you an appreciation of just how out of this world barca were 4 or 5 years ago, never seen a team dominate any team the way they did.
posted on 7/5/15
People keep saying this Barca side isn't as good as a few years ago but they keep flattening all before them.
Messi is as good as ever. Neymar and Suarez are better than Eto'o and Henry or Villa and Pedro in support of Messi.
They haven't got a prime Xavi but Rakitic is a fantastic player.
Puyol was a great but so is Pique.
It's a very close call this season, especially if they go on and do the treble which they have a significant chance of doing.
posted on 7/5/15
Pep played into Barca's hands with his tactics to try and dominate them...and also playing Lewandowski who looked like he needed the cure for cancer last night.
Barca could've been 3-0 up at HT if Suarez took his chances.
This Barca side is devastating.
posted on 7/5/15
Would loved to have seen a fully fit Bayern Team with Robben, Ribery and Alaba take on this Barca team oh and of course Lewandowski without the broken face.
posted on 7/5/15
Lawro was on top form last night for 5live
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