One rule that definately needs changing is cars unlapping themselves behind the safety car.
Often cars aren't allowed to unlap themselves straight away,this means once they are allowed(baring in mind they have to adhere to strict speed restrictions) then they have to slowly go around the track until they join the snake.
This often adds 2 or 3 laps onto the duration the safety car is out.The lapped cars should be forced to slow down to fall to the back of the pack and thus the race can restart much quicker.
I know in effect they will have covered 1 less lap and have a laps worth more fuel,but we are talking about cars that never finish less than 2 laps behind anyway in 90% of races.
Just tyres for me - Webber had a massively quicker car than Grosjean, but had an attack and then pulled out to preserve tyres. Thats not racing.
F1 should be - i am faster than you, i am going to pass you.
Agree completely, it is a pointless exercise. I would also like to see drivers punished for having all 4 wheels off the track boundaries.
A drive through penalty or time added to their finish time would stop that nonsense
Cut out the showbiz.
Make only one type of a very durable tyre and keep the compound the same for 5 years. No compulsory pit stops. Keep rules stable for 5 years. That way a team with a disadvantage can catch up before the rule is changed to give the clear advantage always to the richest teams.
Quite happy at the moment with the 2014 rule changes.
The problem with us F1 fans is that we can never agree on what we want to see changed. For every person that wanted re-fuelling banned there was one that wanted it kept. Bernie know this and uses that lack of uniformity of opinion to his advantage. Bernie is happy with his take of the track hosting fees and the teams are happy with their cut of the TV revenue. What we want is irrelevant until the TV companies lose interest. Then we will see even more showbiz gimmickery to please the type of people that think Monaco is low downforce and Vettel is the greatest because he speaks English.
Oh, as regards the safety car and lapped cars, the lapped cars should just drive into the pit lane and then re-join at the rear of the “snake”.
Agree completely about all 4 sets being available, could lead to some tense late-race action. Although it would perhaps take some of the focus away from driving ability and more towards pit wall decisions.
I still don't think the tyres are as terrible as made out. They're certainly poor, but very rarely has F1 got its tyres right. The "tyre wars" were pretty bad too, Bridgestone dominating certain races, Michelin others. I think they're just fiddling too much with tyres, like they did with qualifying rules a few years ago.
DRS is a bit artificial and makes good defensive driving difficult, but it's still better than no overtaking. I like KERS a lot though, can lead to very tactical battles. Not sure I'll like it next year when it can be used for 45 seconds or so.
It is also a shame seeing 2 teams get no-where near the points, but I don't have a problem with the 10th place cut-off as it leads to some interesting battles for the final point. Not sure you'd see those if it extended to 15th, and 12th would still see Caterham & Marussia pointless.
My personal (and somewhat fanciful) change to F1 would be to scrap all engine regulations & give each team a set quantity of fuel for each race. Ferrari could build V12s, Mercedes could have V8s, Renault small turbo units and Honda high-revving naturally aspirated units. Would be great for innovation & practical use on road cars, but would maybe lead to a situation similar to the tyre wars.
Some absolutely fantastic points raised, Daredevil.
Having a points system that stretches down to 12th or lower is a fantastic idea as it also gives the midfield teams a bit more to fight for than numbers on the cars.
Personally, I'd do away with DRS altogether. It's made overtaking way too easy. Ironically, what was an attempt to make racing more unpredictable, has actually gone and added to the predictability of it all.
I agree that they should take all 4 tyre compounds to races but I don't think they should still force teams to use 2. I say just let them use whatever tyres they want. It not only erases unnecessary pit stops, but also means that teams will be able to use the tyres that best suit their car, rather than having to build a car that best suits the tyres.
For example, some teams may find that they can make the softer tyres last longer than other teams, so if they want, they can use only super-softs if they like to try and maximise the advantage given by the superior grip. However, another team may find they can get extra pace out of the hard tyres so they could run a whole race on hards and maximise the advantage given by needing fewer pit stops.
That's all I can think of for now, but apart from what I've mentioned, I completely agree with everything you've said.
Interesting ideas, wish we could pass them on to the clowns at the FIA
I agree that there should be 3 different tyre choices for a race, that would definitely spice up the racing. Refuelling really needs to be brought back as well, for all the advancement in safety, I'm sure they can bring back a mechanism that allows it to be done very safely.
I have no issue with DRS at the moment. The cars are way too thin, and way too slow to create any slipstream for the car behind to try and overtake him.
I agree that the points system should be extended to try and create more competition in the midfield teams. At the moment, there are 4 top teams, each with 8 drivers. In a normal race, they would occupy the top 10, which means, the midfield teams battle for only 2 spots.
I like DRS TBH, i think it can be controlled. i noticed in the US that the start of the DRS on the back straight was someway down, so only allowed cars to be at the side of each other. Sometimes it starts to early (think it was malaysia) and if you fired up DRS you just flew by, by a cars length. So DRS is controllable.
I dont agree with fuel stops, i think F1 does have a responsibility to be "green" and developing as efficient engine as possible is in there own interests i.e carry less at the start and you will be lighter for longer, in theory quicker.
I like the tyres, i just dont like the cliff. It should be more gradual. Fast cars should be allowed to race, at risk of degrading there tyres, but not at risk of them becoming 4 corners of ice. I.e you can have a push, but just know, you may have to come in a lap or 2 earlier for that push, but youve earnt yourself track position.
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posted on 18/11/13
One rule that definately needs changing is cars unlapping themselves behind the safety car.
Often cars aren't allowed to unlap themselves straight away,this means once they are allowed(baring in mind they have to adhere to strict speed restrictions) then they have to slowly go around the track until they join the snake.
This often adds 2 or 3 laps onto the duration the safety car is out.The lapped cars should be forced to slow down to fall to the back of the pack and thus the race can restart much quicker.
I know in effect they will have covered 1 less lap and have a laps worth more fuel,but we are talking about cars that never finish less than 2 laps behind anyway in 90% of races.
posted on 18/11/13
Just tyres for me - Webber had a massively quicker car than Grosjean, but had an attack and then pulled out to preserve tyres. Thats not racing.
F1 should be - i am faster than you, i am going to pass you.
posted on 18/11/13
Agree completely, it is a pointless exercise. I would also like to see drivers punished for having all 4 wheels off the track boundaries.
A drive through penalty or time added to their finish time would stop that nonsense
posted on 18/11/13
Cut out the showbiz.
Make only one type of a very durable tyre and keep the compound the same for 5 years. No compulsory pit stops. Keep rules stable for 5 years. That way a team with a disadvantage can catch up before the rule is changed to give the clear advantage always to the richest teams.
Quite happy at the moment with the 2014 rule changes.
The problem with us F1 fans is that we can never agree on what we want to see changed. For every person that wanted re-fuelling banned there was one that wanted it kept. Bernie know this and uses that lack of uniformity of opinion to his advantage. Bernie is happy with his take of the track hosting fees and the teams are happy with their cut of the TV revenue. What we want is irrelevant until the TV companies lose interest. Then we will see even more showbiz gimmickery to please the type of people that think Monaco is low downforce and Vettel is the greatest because he speaks English.
posted on 18/11/13
Oh, as regards the safety car and lapped cars, the lapped cars should just drive into the pit lane and then re-join at the rear of the “snake”.
posted on 18/11/13
Agree completely about all 4 sets being available, could lead to some tense late-race action. Although it would perhaps take some of the focus away from driving ability and more towards pit wall decisions.
I still don't think the tyres are as terrible as made out. They're certainly poor, but very rarely has F1 got its tyres right. The "tyre wars" were pretty bad too, Bridgestone dominating certain races, Michelin others. I think they're just fiddling too much with tyres, like they did with qualifying rules a few years ago.
DRS is a bit artificial and makes good defensive driving difficult, but it's still better than no overtaking. I like KERS a lot though, can lead to very tactical battles. Not sure I'll like it next year when it can be used for 45 seconds or so.
It is also a shame seeing 2 teams get no-where near the points, but I don't have a problem with the 10th place cut-off as it leads to some interesting battles for the final point. Not sure you'd see those if it extended to 15th, and 12th would still see Caterham & Marussia pointless.
My personal (and somewhat fanciful) change to F1 would be to scrap all engine regulations & give each team a set quantity of fuel for each race. Ferrari could build V12s, Mercedes could have V8s, Renault small turbo units and Honda high-revving naturally aspirated units. Would be great for innovation & practical use on road cars, but would maybe lead to a situation similar to the tyre wars.
posted on 18/11/13
Some absolutely fantastic points raised, Daredevil.
Having a points system that stretches down to 12th or lower is a fantastic idea as it also gives the midfield teams a bit more to fight for than numbers on the cars.
Personally, I'd do away with DRS altogether. It's made overtaking way too easy. Ironically, what was an attempt to make racing more unpredictable, has actually gone and added to the predictability of it all.
I agree that they should take all 4 tyre compounds to races but I don't think they should still force teams to use 2. I say just let them use whatever tyres they want. It not only erases unnecessary pit stops, but also means that teams will be able to use the tyres that best suit their car, rather than having to build a car that best suits the tyres.
For example, some teams may find that they can make the softer tyres last longer than other teams, so if they want, they can use only super-softs if they like to try and maximise the advantage given by the superior grip. However, another team may find they can get extra pace out of the hard tyres so they could run a whole race on hards and maximise the advantage given by needing fewer pit stops.
That's all I can think of for now, but apart from what I've mentioned, I completely agree with everything you've said.
posted on 18/11/13
Interesting ideas, wish we could pass them on to the clowns at the FIA
posted on 18/11/13
I agree that there should be 3 different tyre choices for a race, that would definitely spice up the racing. Refuelling really needs to be brought back as well, for all the advancement in safety, I'm sure they can bring back a mechanism that allows it to be done very safely.
I have no issue with DRS at the moment. The cars are way too thin, and way too slow to create any slipstream for the car behind to try and overtake him.
I agree that the points system should be extended to try and create more competition in the midfield teams. At the moment, there are 4 top teams, each with 8 drivers. In a normal race, they would occupy the top 10, which means, the midfield teams battle for only 2 spots.
posted on 20/11/13
I like DRS TBH, i think it can be controlled. i noticed in the US that the start of the DRS on the back straight was someway down, so only allowed cars to be at the side of each other. Sometimes it starts to early (think it was malaysia) and if you fired up DRS you just flew by, by a cars length. So DRS is controllable.
I dont agree with fuel stops, i think F1 does have a responsibility to be "green" and developing as efficient engine as possible is in there own interests i.e carry less at the start and you will be lighter for longer, in theory quicker.
I like the tyres, i just dont like the cliff. It should be more gradual. Fast cars should be allowed to race, at risk of degrading there tyres, but not at risk of them becoming 4 corners of ice. I.e you can have a push, but just know, you may have to come in a lap or 2 earlier for that push, but youve earnt yourself track position.
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