another problem AVB has is because his command of english is soo good he reads too much into the papers.What has served Wenger well and its something he used to preach to Henry, Viera was not to read the papers.Wenger doesnt really care what people think of him.Be it united fans calling him a paedo or stoke fans acting like inbreds he focuses on the game.

sadly AVB has taken the Rafa route and sadly it ends badly in most cases.

The Pellegrini point is quite a good one. City have lost as many games as Spurs but not a single, negative word has been said about Pellegrini.

IMO that's because both he and AVB have spent similar amounts of money but one is starting to integrate Negredo into a team playing great attacking football (to shut up any critics) while the other is struggling to play football with any attacking cohesion and instead of shutting up critics he's making new ones every week.

I rate AVB and he could be a very good manager one day but I can't help but think that right now he's being too stubborn and having a go at his own fans is going to lead to him not lasting very long at Spurs unless he starts playing the football the fans want to see.

comment by Bale's left boot (U17605)
posted 38 minutes ago
It's a pro-Harry, anti-foreigner reaction imo.
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They've had it in for him from day 1. I really like him, Spurs will come good, he spent money on a few players, at least he knows what makes a good mifielder

Let's face it only the love child of Jose,Holloway,Arsene &Rafa would satisfy the papers. Sexy, bonkers [in a good way], french and paranoid.

comment by Robb - RIP Paul Walker (U9808)
posted 39 minutes ago
I don't think there's a huge anti-foreigner thing though.

Jose, Wenger, Laudrup, Martinez etc, they all seem to be beloved by the press. Martin Jol was a hopeless manager towards the end at Fulham but no-one really slated him in the press.

But when managers, foreign or not do something stupid be it Di Canio for being Di Canio, or AVB for spending £100 million but playing the most defensively awful football ever then having the temerity to slate his own fans for being quiet and then getting fans kicked out you can see he becomes a story.

It would be the same for English managers if they did the same kind of thing. Just look at McClaren and how he was slated.
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Wenger!? You've got to be kidding me. The man has received countless abuse by the media. You cannot possibly lump him with Mourinho, who seems to have every journalist licking the brown stuff out his backside.

*from the media

comment by Robb - RIP Paul Walker (U9808)
posted 39 minutes ago
I don't think there's a huge anti-foreigner thing though.
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I can only assume you do not live in Britain or live in a place with no access to the press.

Foreigners are despised by the media in this country, most of it perpetrated by the right wing monster that is Rupert Murdoch.

Look at the hysteria being whipped up about Bulgaria and Romania. Look at the complaints about the number of English players in the prem, foreign owners, managers etc.

You must be incredibly naive to not see how xenophobic the press in this country is

These reporters write garbage for a living and think they have a right to know everything a manager does.

I do think the recent articles by the Daily Mail writers were over the top. AVB was simply bad flavour of the month and they were on it like a fly on sht.

It's not easy managing in the Premier League and when you consider his pointa haul which is actually very good then the sports writers need to lay off.

These are also the same sports writers that bash boards for sacking managers too early into their tenures.

"The Pellegrini point is quite a good one. City have lost as many games as Spurs but not a single, negative word has been said about Pellegrini."

I disagree with that, I just think you are not looking in the right place for it. It is, rightly, tempered by what you say in the second paragraph, but there certainly was criticism of Pellegrini in places, particularly over the Hart situation.

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You must be incredibly naive to not see how xenophobic the press in this country is
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Unlike some I have the ability to separate some members of the press from others. Martin Samuel is a great journalist and is not xenophobic. Just because someone works for the Daily Mail does not make them some BNP card waving lunatic.

Each person working in the press has their own belief system.

I disagree with that, I just think you are not looking in the right place for it. It is, rightly, tempered by what you say in the second paragraph, but there certainly was criticism of Pellegrini in places, particularly over the Hart situation.
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Hmm, it's interesting you say that. Perhaps the pieces you read were indicative of what you're saying but the pieces I read were critical of Hart and backed Pellegrini's move.

You cannot know that my good fellow. I for one would never work for a paper like the daily mail. I would never knowingly work for an organisation that I had ethical issues with, so will not be surprised if he has a similar ideology.

Agree MUDD.
It's a Xenophobic, right wing dangerous newspaper !
Anyhow regarding AVB, he is shifty, no personality, arrogant and don't think he can cut it at the highest level. Time will tell. He is also obsessed with playing this high defensive line and offside trap that can easily get spring by good sides.

comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 8 minutes ago
You cannot know that my good fellow. I for one would never work for a paper like the daily mail. I would never knowingly work for an organisation that I had ethical issues with, so will not be surprised if he has a similar ideology.


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I have a friend who works for them (very high up) and he is as centre-left as you can get. I do realise it has some pretty nasty people working there and as an immigrant I probably share a lot of the same ideals that you do but every newspaper, no matter which ideal their editor follows has plenty of people working for them who don't quite tow the party line.

"Hmm, it's interesting you say that. Perhaps the pieces you read were indicative of what you're saying but the pieces I read were critical of Hart and backed Pellegrini's move."

I've read both sides of the opinion, I just think people sometimes see or read what they want to to reinforce an opinion they already have about the papers.

Robb, my political views vary depending on the situation.

In terms of business etc, my views are mostly Centre right but I believe in looking after those who are vulnerable or do not have the same opportunities as I have had in life.

Socially, my views are more centre left, maybe that's because I'm part foreign and I understand what foreigners go through better than most.

Like I said, I personally would not work for a company that I had ethical issues with. That's why I turned down a couple of jobs to work for the people I do now.

comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 3 seconds ago
Robb, my political views vary depending on the situation.

In terms of business etc, my views are mostly Centre right but I believe in looking after those who are vulnerable or do not have the same opportunities as I have had in life.

Socially, my views are more centre left, maybe that's because I'm part foreign and I understand what foreigners go through better than most.

Like I said, I personally would not work for a company that I had ethical issues with. That's why I turned down a couple of jobs to work for the people I do now.
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I am centre left too so we agree on something!

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Robb we agree on a lot apart from 2 things. One I could come round to your position but I doubt it at the moment. The other, no facking way

comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612) posted 3 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by Robb - RIP Paul Walker (U9808)
posted 39 minutes ago
I don't think there's a huge anti-foreigner thing though.
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I can only assume you do not live in Britain or live in a place with no access to the press.

Foreigners are despised by the media in this country, most of it perpetrated by the right wing monster that is Rupert Murdoch.

Look at the hysteria being whipped up about Bulgaria and Romania. Look at the complaints about the number of English players in the prem, foreign owners, managers etc.

You must be incredibly naive to not see how xenophobic the press in this country is

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I disagree

Coming across as xenophobic is purely incidental. They print whatever gives them pounds shillings and pence

Look at the way Rooney was on the front and back pages for months after the World Cup?

What about the ridicule suffered by a succession of England managers. Did Sven or Capello get it any worse than Graham Taylor or Steve McClaren?

What about Becks after his sending ogg against the Argies?

The press's only criteria is the more famour the person they cab crucify, the more dollar bills will come rolling in

Sorry about the typos in that but it's still understandable