I think they should just do retroactive bans for anything that wasn't given during the match
the 'ref saw it and decided not to do anything about it' is a rubbish rule
use the cameras and ban with extreme prejudice based on the evidence
the 'ref saw it and decided not to do anything about it' is a rubbish rule
use the cameras and ban with extreme prejudice based on the evidence
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comment by Marcelino- Oliver Torres Welcome to Villarreal. (U6171)
posted 9 minutes ago
The only person who can be punished for a foul is the person who made it. With diving the wrong people can end up getting punished and could even miss important matches in their careers...
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Yes because fouls never cause injuries, and they never prevent teams from advancing in competitions...
comment by • Tu Meke Santi • (U3732)
posted 3 minutes ago
the 'ref saw it and decided not to do anything about it' is a rubbish rule
use the cameras and ban with extreme prejudice based on the evidence
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comment by Earl Brutus (U1449)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by • Tu Meke Santi• (U3732)
posted 3 minutes ago
the 'ref saw it and decided not to do anything about it' is a rubbish rule
use the cameras and ban with extreme prejudice based on the evidence
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I was going to put another applause sign, but then I realised it wouldn't be funny
Sorry Kaisers, I know it was your comment
When it's clear as day I cannot see why a player cannot be banned for 2/3 games. It won't stop it, but at least it'll cut out the pathetic dives we see.
Is Eduardo da Silva the only player to be booked for diving based on video evidence?
That witch-hunt for Eduardo was pathetic. To this day, I've still no idea why they singled him out
For me, diving is a fairly simple issue. I don't like it because it is so dishonest and underhand. With a bad tackle, it is usually harder to say whether it was deliberate or not; often, it is just a full-blooded challenge that is a fraction of a second late and so looks horrendous. But simulation tends to be plain dishonesty.
There should be a panel of experts to judge decisions after games. Retrospective bans would be handed out to those deemed guilty of simulation. Is it worth the time and money? Well, there's a dubious goals committee. Would there be mistakes? Yes, probably; but I would like to think that there would be enough intelligence on this panel to see the difference between a blatant dive (e.g. Jovetic today) and an attacking player who has used his intelligence and ability to draw a mistake from the defender; why teach players to shield the ball if the onus is on them to stand up when their opponent hacks at them?
I've said this for years: ultimately, the issue is so simple that the reason it has not been resolved can only be explained one way: there are people at the top who do not want it to be resolved.
Diving is no worse than claiming throws that are not yours and sneaky grappling and shirt pulling. British football culture has a lot of BS moral conventions and look to claim moral superiority over other footballing cultures.
comment by Sheriff John Brown - bring back David Dein (U7482)
posted 1 minute ago
Diving is no worse than claiming throws that are not yours and sneaky grappling and shirt pulling. British football culture has a lot of BS moral conventions and look to claim moral superiority over other footballing cultures.
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This is what I think. Not necessarily that diving isn't wrong, its just no worse than anything else that goes on in football. So the act of morale outrage when a player dives is laughable in my opinion.
Diving is no worse than claiming throws that are not yours and sneaky grappling and shirt pulling.
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Well, simulation can get players booked or sent off, while the others are unlikely to do that. I don't think it's that much of a stretch to say that there are different levels of cheating, some more acceptable (though still wrong) than others.
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff John Brown - bring back David Dein (U7482)
posted 1 minute ago
Diving is no worse than claiming throws that are not yours and sneaky grappling and shirt pulling. British football culture has a lot of BS moral conventions and look to claim moral superiority over other footballing cultures.
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This is what I think. Not necessarily that diving isn't wrong, its just no worse than anything else that goes on in football. So the act of morale outrage when a player dives is laughable in my opinion.
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I agree. All players try to gain an advantage and it comes it different forms, diving is one of them.
It annoys me when a player goes down when he could have stayed on his feet to score but if your team is struggling and you can win a penalty to get three points or win a trophy then go for it i say
"imaginary card waving"
Never understood this one. Don't see what's wrong with it at all.
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Seriously????
For me the most irritating thing in football just ahead of play acting. Seeing a player wave an imaginary card really pi$$e$ me off tbh
A good diver fools the ref.
Jovetic could have won a free kick today and got Luiz a second yellow and sent off.
He just needed to have run into more of Luiz' body and then fallen to his knees. Then slammed his hands into the turf in frustration.
The Ref and the commentators would have been fooled.
It is an art form perfected by the very best players!
As for card waving - what is the difference in going up to the ref and saying "aren't you going to send that fecking cent off?"
comment by Fergie winding up scousers since 1986 (U17527)
posted 21 minutes ago
"imaginary card waving"
Never understood this one. Don't see what's wrong with it at all.
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Seriously????
For me the most irritating thing in football just ahead of play acting. Seeing a player wave an imaginary card really pi$$e$ me off tbh
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Waving the card is no different from players going up to the ref and saying "send him off", people used to have a go at Mancini for this but loads of managers, players and fans scream for a red when a player is fouled by the last man.
"took one for the team, great foul"
I have never ever heard a commentator say anything remotely like this!?
"It was a good foul to give away" is the staple diet of commentators such as Andy Townsend and Robbie Savage.
Savage is an idiot and has an Armani tattoo on his chest.
they said it last weekend and had a little side discussion about it. I think it was Townsend.
Sidenote, Townsend can never admit he got it wrong at first, he just keeps digging. City's second goal was clearly offside and he kept making out it was debatable and could have gone either way even though every replay showed he was off
Townsend is also an idiot and has an Idiot tattoo on his chest.
He will always suggest that a player should have taken the other option if he is unsuccessful.
"He should have shot there" when the player passes and vice versa.
Idiot!
Seriously????
For me the most irritating thing in football just ahead of play acting. Seeing a player wave an imaginary card really pi$$e$ me off tbh
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My issue is that people seem to have no problem with players verbally asking the ref to book a player. But as soon as they wave a hand in the air it becomes some sort of sin.
Makes no sense at all. It really is no big deal.
Never seen the problem with diving. Not even because of Suarez, but even before with Drogba I didn't see the problem. Ok, if someone's squared up to someone and they go down whilst holding his face pretending he's head butted him, fair enough, that shouldn't be allowed. But going to the floor in pursuit of a penalty or free kick isn't a 'disgrace'. I laughed when the commentators were saying 'Jovetic's has so much talent why does he need to stain himself with things like that'. There's a difference between feigning injury and diving. Feigning injury is bad, diving is not.
I'm glad Perri won splash (sort of on topic)
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posted on 15/2/14
I think they should just do retroactive bans for anything that wasn't given during the match
the 'ref saw it and decided not to do anything about it' is a rubbish rule
use the cameras and ban with extreme prejudice based on the evidence
posted on 15/2/14
the 'ref saw it and decided not to do anything about it' is a rubbish rule
use the cameras and ban with extreme prejudice based on the evidence
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posted on 15/2/14
comment by Marcelino- Oliver Torres Welcome to Villarreal. (U6171)
posted 9 minutes ago
The only person who can be punished for a foul is the person who made it. With diving the wrong people can end up getting punished and could even miss important matches in their careers...
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Yes because fouls never cause injuries, and they never prevent teams from advancing in competitions...
posted on 15/2/14
comment by • Tu Meke Santi • (U3732)
posted 3 minutes ago
the 'ref saw it and decided not to do anything about it' is a rubbish rule
use the cameras and ban with extreme prejudice based on the evidence
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posted on 15/2/14
comment by Earl Brutus (U1449)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by • Tu Meke Santi• (U3732)
posted 3 minutes ago
the 'ref saw it and decided not to do anything about it' is a rubbish rule
use the cameras and ban with extreme prejudice based on the evidence
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I was going to put another applause sign, but then I realised it wouldn't be funny
posted on 15/2/14
Sorry Kaisers, I know it was your comment
posted on 15/2/14
When it's clear as day I cannot see why a player cannot be banned for 2/3 games. It won't stop it, but at least it'll cut out the pathetic dives we see.
Is Eduardo da Silva the only player to be booked for diving based on video evidence?
posted on 15/2/14
Banned, not booked*
posted on 15/2/14
That witch-hunt for Eduardo was pathetic. To this day, I've still no idea why they singled him out
posted on 15/2/14
For me, diving is a fairly simple issue. I don't like it because it is so dishonest and underhand. With a bad tackle, it is usually harder to say whether it was deliberate or not; often, it is just a full-blooded challenge that is a fraction of a second late and so looks horrendous. But simulation tends to be plain dishonesty.
There should be a panel of experts to judge decisions after games. Retrospective bans would be handed out to those deemed guilty of simulation. Is it worth the time and money? Well, there's a dubious goals committee. Would there be mistakes? Yes, probably; but I would like to think that there would be enough intelligence on this panel to see the difference between a blatant dive (e.g. Jovetic today) and an attacking player who has used his intelligence and ability to draw a mistake from the defender; why teach players to shield the ball if the onus is on them to stand up when their opponent hacks at them?
I've said this for years: ultimately, the issue is so simple that the reason it has not been resolved can only be explained one way: there are people at the top who do not want it to be resolved.
posted on 15/2/14
Diving is no worse than claiming throws that are not yours and sneaky grappling and shirt pulling. British football culture has a lot of BS moral conventions and look to claim moral superiority over other footballing cultures.
posted on 15/2/14
comment by Sheriff John Brown - bring back David Dein (U7482)
posted 1 minute ago
Diving is no worse than claiming throws that are not yours and sneaky grappling and shirt pulling. British football culture has a lot of BS moral conventions and look to claim moral superiority over other footballing cultures.
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This is what I think. Not necessarily that diving isn't wrong, its just no worse than anything else that goes on in football. So the act of morale outrage when a player dives is laughable in my opinion.
posted on 15/2/14
Diving is no worse than claiming throws that are not yours and sneaky grappling and shirt pulling.
__________
Well, simulation can get players booked or sent off, while the others are unlikely to do that. I don't think it's that much of a stretch to say that there are different levels of cheating, some more acceptable (though still wrong) than others.
posted on 15/2/14
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff John Brown - bring back David Dein (U7482)
posted 1 minute ago
Diving is no worse than claiming throws that are not yours and sneaky grappling and shirt pulling. British football culture has a lot of BS moral conventions and look to claim moral superiority over other footballing cultures.
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This is what I think. Not necessarily that diving isn't wrong, its just no worse than anything else that goes on in football. So the act of morale outrage when a player dives is laughable in my opinion.
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I agree. All players try to gain an advantage and it comes it different forms, diving is one of them.
It annoys me when a player goes down when he could have stayed on his feet to score but if your team is struggling and you can win a penalty to get three points or win a trophy then go for it i say
posted on 15/2/14
"imaginary card waving"
Never understood this one. Don't see what's wrong with it at all.
.....................
Seriously????
For me the most irritating thing in football just ahead of play acting. Seeing a player wave an imaginary card really pi$$e$ me off tbh
posted on 15/2/14
A good diver fools the ref.
Jovetic could have won a free kick today and got Luiz a second yellow and sent off.
He just needed to have run into more of Luiz' body and then fallen to his knees. Then slammed his hands into the turf in frustration.
The Ref and the commentators would have been fooled.
It is an art form perfected by the very best players!
As for card waving - what is the difference in going up to the ref and saying "aren't you going to send that fecking cent off?"
posted on 15/2/14
comment by Fergie winding up scousers since 1986 (U17527)
posted 21 minutes ago
"imaginary card waving"
Never understood this one. Don't see what's wrong with it at all.
.....................
Seriously????
For me the most irritating thing in football just ahead of play acting. Seeing a player wave an imaginary card really pi$$e$ me off tbh
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Waving the card is no different from players going up to the ref and saying "send him off", people used to have a go at Mancini for this but loads of managers, players and fans scream for a red when a player is fouled by the last man.
posted on 15/2/14
"took one for the team, great foul"
I have never ever heard a commentator say anything remotely like this!?
posted on 15/2/14
"It was a good foul to give away" is the staple diet of commentators such as Andy Townsend and Robbie Savage.
posted on 15/2/14
Savage is an idiot and has an Armani tattoo on his chest.
posted on 15/2/14
they said it last weekend and had a little side discussion about it. I think it was Townsend.
Sidenote, Townsend can never admit he got it wrong at first, he just keeps digging. City's second goal was clearly offside and he kept making out it was debatable and could have gone either way even though every replay showed he was off
posted on 15/2/14
Townsend is also an idiot and has an Idiot tattoo on his chest.
He will always suggest that a player should have taken the other option if he is unsuccessful.
"He should have shot there" when the player passes and vice versa.
Idiot!
posted on 15/2/14
Seriously????
For me the most irritating thing in football just ahead of play acting. Seeing a player wave an imaginary card really pi$$e$ me off tbh
_________________________
My issue is that people seem to have no problem with players verbally asking the ref to book a player. But as soon as they wave a hand in the air it becomes some sort of sin.
Makes no sense at all. It really is no big deal.
posted on 15/2/14
Never seen the problem with diving. Not even because of Suarez, but even before with Drogba I didn't see the problem. Ok, if someone's squared up to someone and they go down whilst holding his face pretending he's head butted him, fair enough, that shouldn't be allowed. But going to the floor in pursuit of a penalty or free kick isn't a 'disgrace'. I laughed when the commentators were saying 'Jovetic's has so much talent why does he need to stain himself with things like that'. There's a difference between feigning injury and diving. Feigning injury is bad, diving is not.
posted on 15/2/14
I'm glad Perri won splash (sort of on topic)
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