Cellino will have a plan B, I feel sorry for Harvey and that horses head in his bed....

@PhilHayYEP: RE: Cellino deal. Our understanding is that his contract with GFH commits Eleonora to funding Leeds for 6 months from the date TO was agreed

To answer your original question, Stoopo, it's because a football club is not just a business it's an entity that serves a community.
Profit maximisation is the objective with most businesses. Not with football clubs.

Cellino has a big chance of winning his appeal, depends how his lawyers handle it and put forward evidence, and what type of evidence.

One question I would be asking is, Harvey would be biased, therefore making him an unfair voter, or whatever term they use in legal profession.

2nd question is, are the FL above English law.

3rd question, Application was put forward to FL before they changed the rules to suit themselves.

4th question, Why did FL wait for the court decision in Italy when A, other club owners had a decision within 5 days and B, did the FL have anything on Cellino before they changed the rules.

I wouldn't be surprised if Cellino wins his appeal if it's before an independant QC.

Plus, contract reverts to Eleonora Sports according to Phil Hay, means the contract is still in place...............interesting.

Those celebrating Cellinos loss, sorry to rain on your parade......................but the fat lady has a sore throat..

Leedsluvr - it's nothing to do with English law. We're free to do what we want.

But we want to play in the football league. And therefore we have to abide by their membership rules - which have been created for our own protection.

It's a bit like a factory manager saying you can't go in unless you're wearing safety boots.

So UK directors don't have to abide by rules about paying tax...

Good luck with that, Stoopo.

I understand Warwick,

but were any rules changed which allowed for the FL to elongate the time it takes to make a decision when their rules say 5 days after receiving appropriate paperwork and application.

Someone find Cellinos email address, or twitter or face book account, so us who support him can let him know.

Better still, lets all go and protest infront of Harveys house, that'll attract the media.

Leedsluvr - I was answering the 2nd question in your earlier post.

The question about the FL and timescales is more difficult. The FL statement claims Cellino's presentation was only presented on 19th March, which seems strange.

I surmise that there are vested interests within the FL panel, presumably linked to associates who hope to buy into LUFC on the cheap - and who consequently want Cellino out of the way. This is only a guess, and I think we'll never find out.

However, once the court case result was announced it was inevitable that Cellino would be turned down. I don't think the FL could have done anything different.

Cellino has lost a lot of credibility now, as have GFH for trusting him.

Cellino has lost a lot of credibility now, as have GFH for trusting him.
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Cellino didn't pay some tax he was supposed to, thats what he's guilty of.

It's against the rules of the FL, so fair enough, he's been failed.

But i'll pretty much guarantee that every single member of the panel judging him on that terrible crime, have had done similar.

I wasn't totally convinced by Cellino, but he did seem to offer at least financial stability for the club, and the opportunity to compete for promotion.

All the above being said, lets see who comes in and what happens in the next few days/weeks. Whatever the rights/wrongs of the whole matter, it's time to support the team.

Sol - it doesn't include not paying personal tax only company tax. He would not be disqualified from holding a directorship of any uk company due to this conviction:

"You can be banned (‘disqualified) from being a company director if you don’t meet your legal responsibilities. You can report someone if you think they should be banned from being a director, or if they’re breaking the conditions of a ban.
You can be disqualified from being a director of a company if an insolvency practitioner or a member of the public reports your conduct as being ‘unfit’.

‘Unfit conduct’ includes:

allowing a company to continue trading when it can’t pay its debts
not keeping proper company accounting records
not sending accounts and returns to Companies House
not paying tax owed by the company
using company money or assets for personal benefit"


https://www.gov.uk/company-director-disqualification

"Plus, contract reverts to Eleonora Sports according to Phil Hay, means the contract is still in place...............interesting"


The following is from the Key features of the owners and directors test. It would not allow Cellino to own shares as they would be added in with ESs shares and together they would be more than the 30%. There are more details in the full document.

" The regulations also allow us to consider shareholders holding less than 30% if they are
acting “in concert” with others and together they go over 30%

"For example, if there is a 25% shareholder and they are someone in accordance with whose
instructions the Board of the Club are "accustomed to act" they still qualify as a Club Director
and have to submit to the Test. "

I would not be surprised if the Cellino lawyers are not looking at one point here. They presented a case on evidence available at the time. The FL then assessed/ considered his application on that evidence and evidence gleaned a fortnight later (give or take a day or two).

They have not been able to discuss the court result in the process so far yet the panel have been able to use it. If Cellino appeals his sentence he is regarded as innocent under the law in Italy.

I reckon there could be grounds for having this decision overturned on legal grounds.



Worth a crack if nowt else.

Furthermore had he been convicted already at the original panel meeting their application would have been fundamentally different.

Eleanor Sport would have been the proposed buyers with Cellino probably not mentioned as forcefully.

'I surmise that there are vested interests within the FL panel, presumably linked to associates who hope to buy into LUFC on the cheap - and who consequently want Cellino out of the way. This is only a guess, and I think we'll never find out.'
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the old fookin cockroach.....

On tonights result you all need to get rid of this Cellino fetish and let your team play football and Brian McDermott to start managing again. since this Cellino escapade started you have been really playing like s h1te.

Stoopo,

The yacht was owned via a company. Whilst he may be personally liable for the debt I'm not sure it's clear that it wasn't owed through the company.

Either way, I personally think you're clutching at straws to try and justify Cellino's suitability. But fair play for putting up a coherent argument.

The tax Cellino failed to pay was on a personal level, not a business level, the two are not the same.

Anyone can correct me if I'm wrong but, doesn't the FL laws and rules refer to businesses, not personal, could it also be why the owner convicted of rape is still the owner of a football club.

I hope Cellinos lawyers put all the right evidence forward and make all the right statements and references, as well as ask the right questions.

Warwick, I agree, I mentioned something similar on a previous post, someone has under the table interests, like Bates not losing the rent on ER, or Harvey not getting his cut any more, etc etc.

I disagree though that Cellino has lost all credibility, it was a personal "failure to pay tax on Nellie" not a business venture.

If the application was put in late, and someone mentioned Haigh did that, could be he is playing both ends of the field at same time, then jumps ship onto the other boat, which is inevitable will sink eventually..

I think we are in a spot of bother

So much clutching. Too few straws.

Luvr,

If you're not posting under the influence of drugs, maybe you should get some prescribed.

Sol

Funniest, yet most accurate posting, this season.