comment by Taki Minamino (U20650)
posted 3 minutes ago
suarez hasnt done the same.. unless you think going to river plate is a massive payday
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I didn't really follow what he did, but he was a free agent.

Does that really change the point?

comment by Luke Combs - FJB (U3979)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Taki Minamino (U20650)
posted 3 minutes ago
suarez hasnt done the same.. unless you think going to river plate is a massive payday
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I didn't really follow what he did, but he was a free agent.

Does that really change the point?
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bit weird to include suarez going to south america as guy trying to get more money for himself

comment by Taki Minamino (U20650)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Luke Combs - FJB (U3979)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Taki Minamino (U20650)
posted 3 minutes ago
suarez hasnt done the same.. unless you think going to river plate is a massive payday
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I didn't really follow what he did, but he was a free agent.

Does that really change the point?
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bit weird to include suarez going to south america as guy trying to get more money for himself
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Messi, Mbappe, Pogba, Rudiger, Dembele and Ramos not enough examples for you to see it's becoming more commonplace?

yeah, as you'll see i never disagreed with that.
Was just saying suarez wasnt one of them, hes a man of great morals

comment by tcruel87 (U11882)
posted 1 hour, 36 minutes ago
comment by Luke Combs - FJB (U3979)
posted 18 minutes ago
I think we made the right decisions with Mane and Salah.

Paid them under market rate during their peak and got sublime performances out of them. Now they are at the top of the hill if not over it and they can go earn the big bucks elsewhere.

I don't want to be paying Salah £400k at 34.
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Yeah this dude is definitely past his peak

https://mobile.twitter.com/MoSalah/status/1536761133041963016

Im not sure what the demands and offers are but I think he deserves some sort of pay rise, mad how underappreciated he has become because he had a few poor (by his own sky high standards) months in a season in which he played 70 plus games, and he was still our most productive player in that spell. He is like Ronaldo the way he looks after himself, he will still be at a top club at 35.
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I didn't say he was over his peak.

Ronaldo is an absolute phenomenon and not the basis any player should be judged on.

Basically Salah wants more money than the club are willing to offer, why else would there be no progress on negotiations, we've had him during the vast majority of his peak on lower wages than we could get elsewhere.

Arguably the best player in the world over the past few seasons on less guaranteed money than Jadon Sancho - we've played a blinder.

comment by Taki Minamino (U20650)
posted 3 minutes ago
yeah, as you'll see i never disagreed with that.
Was just saying suarez wasnt one of them, hes a man of great morals

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Ok we agree.

But wtf do morals have to do with this?

comment by Luke Combs - FJB (U3979)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Taki Minamino (U20650)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Luke Combs - FJB (U3979)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Taki Minamino (U20650)
posted 3 minutes ago
suarez hasnt done the same.. unless you think going to river plate is a massive payday
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I didn't really follow what he did, but he was a free agent.

Does that really change the point?
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bit weird to include suarez going to south america as guy trying to get more money for himself
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Messi, Mbappe, Pogba, Rudiger, Dembele and Ramos not enough examples for you to see it's becoming more commonplace?
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You can't name 6 of the best players in their positions and call it commonplace

There's probably 100s of thousands of footballers

Obvs excluding Pogba

comment by Michael Edwards FC {Proud owner of the 5 000 000th comment} (U2720)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Luke Combs - FJB (U3979)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Taki Minamino (U20650)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Luke Combs - FJB (U3979)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Taki Minamino (U20650)
posted 3 minutes ago
suarez hasnt done the same.. unless you think going to river plate is a massive payday
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I didn't really follow what he did, but he was a free agent.

Does that really change the point?
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bit weird to include suarez going to south america as guy trying to get more money for himself
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Messi, Mbappe, Pogba, Rudiger, Dembele and Ramos not enough examples for you to see it's becoming more commonplace?
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You can't name 6 of the best players in their positions and call it commonplace

There's probably 100s of thousands of footballers
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There are hundreds, probably thousands of out of contract footballers... I just picked high profile ones.

comment by (K̇ash) I'm still the Mané - Free Palestine 🇵🇸 (U1108)
posted 27 minutes ago
Slow news day when you read this:

Neil Jones
@neiljonesgoal
·
5h
A big season coming up for a lot of Liverpool players, but especially for Curtis Jones.
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I am rooting for Curtis so much it's probably weird, really really want him to stake his claim and nail it

comment by Michael Edwards FC {Proud owner of the 5 000 000th comment} (U2720)
posted 6 minutes ago
Obvs excluding Pogba
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Players used to be out of contract when no-one wanted them but now it seems more of a conscious decision. Wenger even predicted this would happen about 10 years ago.

It's definitely a thing with higher profile players.

comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
Players used to be out of contract when no-one wanted them but now it seems more of a conscious decision. Wenger even predicted this would happen about 10 years ago.

It's definitely a thing with higher profile players.
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Yeah I think the law needs changing. It served its purpose with the issues players had in the past but times have changed as we've seen the past few years.

Perhaps implementing something like a player can't sign for another club for free, unless the current club haven't offered him at least the same salary he's currently on. Means clubs would still get a fee if the player wanted to move and less would go to agents. This would also serve to reduce wages as Bosman players tend to get huge signing on fees and wages.

Think the issue with any rule is actually monitoring what clubs are really doing. It's clear and obvious that city have some sort of financial incentive for their players beyond the on paper stuff.

comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
Players used to be out of contract when no-one wanted them but now it seems more of a conscious decision. Wenger even predicted this would happen about 10 years ago.

It's definitely a thing with higher profile players.
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Yeah I think the law needs changing. It served its purpose with the issues players had in the past but times have changed as we've seen the past few years.

Perhaps implementing something like a player can't sign for another club for free, unless the current club haven't offered him at least the same salary he's currently on. Means clubs would still get a fee if the player wanted to move and less would go to agents. This would also serve to reduce wages as Bosman players tend to get huge signing on fees and wages.
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That's called restricted free agency and wouldn't work in football as the players would not be under any contract at the time so nothing to tie the player into accepting another contract.

It would also increase salaries even faster.

US sports work so much better with this stuff as the contract is with the league not the team so they just trade contracts.

comment by Luke Combs - FJB (U3979)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
Players used to be out of contract when no-one wanted them but now it seems more of a conscious decision. Wenger even predicted this would happen about 10 years ago.

It's definitely a thing with higher profile players.
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Yeah I think the law needs changing. It served its purpose with the issues players had in the past but times have changed as we've seen the past few years.

Perhaps implementing something like a player can't sign for another club for free, unless the current club haven't offered him at least the same salary he's currently on. Means clubs would still get a fee if the player wanted to move and less would go to agents. This would also serve to reduce wages as Bosman players tend to get huge signing on fees and wages.
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That's called restricted free agency and wouldn't work in football as the players would not be under any contract at the time so nothing to tie the player into accepting another contract.

It would also increase salaries even faster.

US sports work so much better with this stuff as the contract is with the league not the team so they just trade contracts.
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Well there would be something to tie them into another contract as that was the whole point of what I said. A law implemented that meant the player either signed for another club who paid a fee willing to be accepted by current club or he had to sign a new contract on the same salary as the last.

I'm not saying this is the solution but I believe there could be a better solution than the one currently which was obviously implemented to stop players rotting away not playing but still unable to sign for another club. It has sort of went away from what it was intended for.

comment by KingKenny (U1961)
posted 2 hours, 15 minutes ago
Think the issue with any rule is actually monitoring what clubs are really doing. It's clear and obvious that city have some sort of financial incentive for their players beyond the on paper stuff.
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Agreed though I suspect that ship has sailed, can't imagine it being addressed now

I think the moment it starts filtering to the bottom teams and lower league teams...then you got a problem.

At this point it's just the top 1% that benefits from the Bosman rule.

We just signed 30 yr old Jay Spearing to our academy
How long before Sturridge ended up in Turkey. definitely not for more wages

scotland captain robbo something

That Richarlison move is a weird one. I mean we talk about Salah replacements, I'd absolutely take Son if he was available given they've brought in new forwards. Won't happen though

comment by The Duality of Van (Dijk) (U21747)
posted 22 minutes ago
That Richarlison move is a weird one. I mean we talk about Salah replacements, I'd absolutely take Son if he was available given they've brought in new forwards. Won't happen though
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Richarlison won't be happy on the bench, he thinks he's Pele and the team should be built around him.

Be interesting to see how he gets on.

A lot of chest coming out from Spurs fans now. £60m for a backup is where they are at.

Everton will be in another relegation battle.

Yeah it's a huge amount for a back-up but he is Prem proven. Makes me a feel a bit better knowing what we spent on Nunez, always a bit nervous when we drop a large fee on a player even with our track record

comment by Luke Combs - FJB (U3979)
posted 16 hours ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
Players used to be out of contract when no-one wanted them but now it seems more of a conscious decision. Wenger even predicted this would happen about 10 years ago.

It's definitely a thing with higher profile players.
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Yeah I think the law needs changing. It served its purpose with the issues players had in the past but times have changed as we've seen the past few years.

Perhaps implementing something like a player can't sign for another club for free, unless the current club haven't offered him at least the same salary he's currently on. Means clubs would still get a fee if the player wanted to move and less would go to agents. This would also serve to reduce wages as Bosman players tend to get huge signing on fees and wages.
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That's called restricted free agency and wouldn't work in football as the players would not be under any contract at the time so nothing to tie the player into accepting another contract.

It would also increase salaries even faster.
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It's how it worked pre-bosman and they still had contracts

Not that I'm advocating for it, think back to raheem, should the club have been allowed to keep him on his low wages until city paid a valuation we found reasonable?!

Something does need doing, but it will also penalise us, both Matip and Thiago were end of contract freebies no?

I think a compensation scheme for free transfers should be made, something like 25% of their new contract value to be given to the previous club, and still subject to the development rules that they have.

Would work to minimise wages as well as ensuring clubs don't get completely stitched up.

I thought we paid a fee for Thiago, maybe it's Milner you're thinking of