"comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 minute ago
PenaltySpot
Are you serious, we won the game because we scored more goals but for 90 minutes Bayern battered us."
It's quite hard to find now, but there is footage. You can probably find footage of the last 15 minutes at least. BM didn't touch the ball. You just knew that if United scored, they were so on top that they would go on to win the golden goal. All we needed was to get one in.
And lo and behold, after umpteen chances, we got one in from a scrambled corner! And in the end, the golden goal wasn't necessary. But if you looked at those BM players, they were shattered at 75 mins.
I was ultra confident we would win once we had the equaliser. We were in the ascendancy, and in the end we didn't even need ET!
I'm sure you can find a match report or something. If you do, it will mention the healthy possession United enjoyed etc.
You may be surprised.
but for 90 minutes Bayern battered us.
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No, they did not batter us.
This is one of those football myths put about by people who quite clearly didn't watch the game, or just WUM for the sake of it.
Penalties and OGs are nothing to do with luck.
Pretty sure in the last 15 minutes Bayern twice hit the woodwork. I don't know anyone who thinks we were the better team for the first 90 minutes. I had no such feeling that we would get an equaliser, once we did we were the favourites because the timing of our goal was such a blow to Bayern.
I think 2010 is the season that stands out for me, we were all over Bayern and by far the better team until Rafael's red card.
We would have gone onto the play Lyon in the semi's (how they got that far is beyond me btw, average CL team) and then would have faced a workman like Inter team in the final.
In '97 we would have played Juve who we struggled against in the group stages that season and in '02 we would have met Zidane, Raul etc in the final, again, a team we struggled against in '00 and '03.
"I had no such feeling that we would get an equaliser, once we did we were the favourites because the timing of our goal was such a blow to Bayern."
No, neither did I. But I knew if we could just nick one, we would win. We were so dominant.
They hit the woodwork in the second half, but not in the last 15. I'm not trying to undermine your support, or your memory, but did you actually watch the whole game?
Pretty sure in the last 15 minutes Bayern twice hit the woodwork.
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Yes they did. That was pretty much all they did attacking wise after thier early goal.
It wasn't a battering.
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I don't know anyone who thinks we were the better team for the first 90 minutes.
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Neither do I, but I don't know any one who thinks Bayern battered us either.
Bayern hit the woodwork in the 79th and 83rd minute. I honestly do not remember Kahn making 1 save in the first 90 minutes.
In '97 we would have played Juve who we struggled against in the group stages that season and in '02 we would have met Zidane, Raul etc in the final, again, a team we struggled against in '00 and '03.
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On the other hand though, our own team was pretty good itself in 02. And in 97.
As I recall, Rooney never really recovered from the injury he got in the 1st leg against Bayern, so we probably would've struggled for goals had we gone through.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sport/football/353842.stm
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No battering being suggested here either.
I honestly do not remember Kahn making 1 save in the first 90 minutes.
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He made a few , but nothing difficult. Most of our attempts at goal completely missed the target.
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 59 seconds ago
In '97 we would have played Juve who we struggled against in the group stages that season and in '02 we would have met Zidane, Raul etc in the final, again, a team we struggled against in '00 and '03.
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On the other hand though, our own team was pretty good itself in 02. And in 97.
As I recall, Rooney never really recovered from the injury he got in the 1st leg against Bayern, so we probably would've struggled for goals had we gone through.
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We were ok in '97, Juve had already beaten us 1-0 home and away in the group stages and we were second best both times, in '02 we were good, but not as good as Real's Galacticos team.
2010 was the year, yes Rooney was injured but we wouldn't have needed him against a poor Lyon team and he we could have rested him before the final, or played Hernandez.
1982
You are firing blanks.
We didn't have Hernandez in 2010. Our other options were Berba and Macheda - and neither of them were serving us very well in the league at the time.
2010 was a great oppurtunity, but I'd have fancied our chances more in 97 and 02
Ha sorry, dunno what happened there.
For 90 minutes we were contained and offered little to no threat to Bayerns goal. Bayern on the other hand scored 1 and hit the woodwork twice. I honestly do not recall us being the better team however drunk I was.
We didn't have Hernandez in 2010. Our other options were Berba and Macheda - and neither of them were serving us very well in the league at the time.
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And Owen, I should add. Though he was most likely injured anyway.
I might be in the minority but i thought we missed a golden chance to win one of the finals against Barca.
I thought Fergie set the team up really badly in the second final, which was made all the more galling given that Fergie himself claimed he knew what went wrong first time around and that he was going to correct it.
I'm not saying we had any divine right to beat a world class Barca side, but we should really have done much better than we did.
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 18 seconds ago
I might be in the minority but i thought we missed a golden chance to win one of the finals against Barca.
I thought Fergie set the team up really badly in the second final, which was made all the more galling given that Fergie himself claimed he knew what went wrong first time around and that he was going to correct it.
I'm not saying we had any divine right to beat a world class Barca side, but we should really have done much better than we did.
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To be honest I don't think we were ever going to beat them at Wembley. That team was simply brilliant.
If anything, the game in Rome was the missed oppurtunity. We absolutely battered them before their first goal.
From 1999 (thank VC)
"It started a good period of play from United, with Bayern defending furiously.
A well floated Beckham free-kick then put the German side under pressure again, but Lothar Matthaus headed the ball dead.
The game was undoubtedly favouring United, despite the early setback"
bloodred,
I somewhat agree with you. However, the way we set up in that second final was so poor. We never gave ourselves a chance. And that's the most frustrating thing for me.
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 55 seconds ago
We didn't have Hernandez in 2010. Our other options were Berba and Macheda - and neither of them were serving us very well in the league at the time.
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And Owen, I should add. Though he was most likely injured anyway.
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The point is that the standard of opposition, especially in the semi's weren't so good that we wouldn't have been able to over come them without Rooney, I think we would have beaten Lyon with Berba up front.
That Inter team wasn't as good as the Juve team from 95-97 or Real's team in '02, there were harder obstacles to overcome in those seasons than in '10 IMO.
I actually think we should have won it a couple years back when Nani was sent off agaisnt real madrid. We were in control of the game up until that point and I believe we would have beaten dortmund in the semis and who knows about the final agaisnt bayern. It owuld have been 50/50
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 2 minutes ago
bloodred,
I somewhat agree with you. However, the way we set up in that second final was so poor. We never gave ourselves a chance. And that's the most frustrating thing for me.
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Agreed. Thinking about it now, it's laughable that we set Carrick and Giggs up to play against arguably the greatest midfield ever assembled.
"comment by nife (U18342)
posted 42 seconds ago
I actually think we should have won it a couple years back when Nani was sent off agaisnt real madrid. We were in control of the game up until that point and I believe we would have beaten dortmund in the semis and who knows about the final agaisnt bayern. It owuld have been 50/50"
Perhaps, although I am more aggrieved by the countless times we have lost to the eventual winners, because it highlights how close we were. The Real game was unjust, but I don't think we were as nailed on to win the CL as we were in 2010.
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posted on 19/5/14
"comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 minute ago
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Are you serious, we won the game because we scored more goals but for 90 minutes Bayern battered us."
It's quite hard to find now, but there is footage. You can probably find footage of the last 15 minutes at least. BM didn't touch the ball. You just knew that if United scored, they were so on top that they would go on to win the golden goal. All we needed was to get one in.
And lo and behold, after umpteen chances, we got one in from a scrambled corner! And in the end, the golden goal wasn't necessary. But if you looked at those BM players, they were shattered at 75 mins.
I was ultra confident we would win once we had the equaliser. We were in the ascendancy, and in the end we didn't even need ET!
I'm sure you can find a match report or something. If you do, it will mention the healthy possession United enjoyed etc.
You may be surprised.
posted on 19/5/14
but for 90 minutes Bayern battered us.
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No, they did not batter us.
This is one of those football myths put about by people who quite clearly didn't watch the game, or just WUM for the sake of it.
posted on 19/5/14
Penalties and OGs are nothing to do with luck.
Pretty sure in the last 15 minutes Bayern twice hit the woodwork. I don't know anyone who thinks we were the better team for the first 90 minutes. I had no such feeling that we would get an equaliser, once we did we were the favourites because the timing of our goal was such a blow to Bayern.
posted on 19/5/14
I think 2010 is the season that stands out for me, we were all over Bayern and by far the better team until Rafael's red card.
We would have gone onto the play Lyon in the semi's (how they got that far is beyond me btw, average CL team) and then would have faced a workman like Inter team in the final.
In '97 we would have played Juve who we struggled against in the group stages that season and in '02 we would have met Zidane, Raul etc in the final, again, a team we struggled against in '00 and '03.
posted on 19/5/14
"I had no such feeling that we would get an equaliser, once we did we were the favourites because the timing of our goal was such a blow to Bayern."
No, neither did I. But I knew if we could just nick one, we would win. We were so dominant.
They hit the woodwork in the second half, but not in the last 15. I'm not trying to undermine your support, or your memory, but did you actually watch the whole game?
posted on 19/5/14
Pretty sure in the last 15 minutes Bayern twice hit the woodwork.
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Yes they did. That was pretty much all they did attacking wise after thier early goal.
It wasn't a battering.
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I don't know anyone who thinks we were the better team for the first 90 minutes.
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Neither do I, but I don't know any one who thinks Bayern battered us either.
posted on 19/5/14
Bayern hit the woodwork in the 79th and 83rd minute. I honestly do not remember Kahn making 1 save in the first 90 minutes.
posted on 19/5/14
In '97 we would have played Juve who we struggled against in the group stages that season and in '02 we would have met Zidane, Raul etc in the final, again, a team we struggled against in '00 and '03.
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On the other hand though, our own team was pretty good itself in 02. And in 97.
As I recall, Rooney never really recovered from the injury he got in the 1st leg against Bayern, so we probably would've struggled for goals had we gone through.
posted on 19/5/14
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sport/football/353842.stm
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No battering being suggested here either.
posted on 19/5/14
posted on 19/5/14
I honestly do not remember Kahn making 1 save in the first 90 minutes.
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He made a few , but nothing difficult. Most of our attempts at goal completely missed the target.
posted on 19/5/14
posted on 19/5/14
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 59 seconds ago
In '97 we would have played Juve who we struggled against in the group stages that season and in '02 we would have met Zidane, Raul etc in the final, again, a team we struggled against in '00 and '03.
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On the other hand though, our own team was pretty good itself in 02. And in 97.
As I recall, Rooney never really recovered from the injury he got in the 1st leg against Bayern, so we probably would've struggled for goals had we gone through.
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We were ok in '97, Juve had already beaten us 1-0 home and away in the group stages and we were second best both times, in '02 we were good, but not as good as Real's Galacticos team.
2010 was the year, yes Rooney was injured but we wouldn't have needed him against a poor Lyon team and he we could have rested him before the final, or played Hernandez.
posted on 19/5/14
1982
You are firing blanks.
posted on 19/5/14
We didn't have Hernandez in 2010. Our other options were Berba and Macheda - and neither of them were serving us very well in the league at the time.
2010 was a great oppurtunity, but I'd have fancied our chances more in 97 and 02
posted on 19/5/14
Ha sorry, dunno what happened there.
For 90 minutes we were contained and offered little to no threat to Bayerns goal. Bayern on the other hand scored 1 and hit the woodwork twice. I honestly do not recall us being the better team however drunk I was.
posted on 19/5/14
We didn't have Hernandez in 2010. Our other options were Berba and Macheda - and neither of them were serving us very well in the league at the time.
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And Owen, I should add. Though he was most likely injured anyway.
posted on 19/5/14
I might be in the minority but i thought we missed a golden chance to win one of the finals against Barca.
I thought Fergie set the team up really badly in the second final, which was made all the more galling given that Fergie himself claimed he knew what went wrong first time around and that he was going to correct it.
I'm not saying we had any divine right to beat a world class Barca side, but we should really have done much better than we did.
posted on 19/5/14
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 18 seconds ago
I might be in the minority but i thought we missed a golden chance to win one of the finals against Barca.
I thought Fergie set the team up really badly in the second final, which was made all the more galling given that Fergie himself claimed he knew what went wrong first time around and that he was going to correct it.
I'm not saying we had any divine right to beat a world class Barca side, but we should really have done much better than we did.
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To be honest I don't think we were ever going to beat them at Wembley. That team was simply brilliant.
If anything, the game in Rome was the missed oppurtunity. We absolutely battered them before their first goal.
posted on 19/5/14
From 1999 (thank VC)
"It started a good period of play from United, with Bayern defending furiously.
A well floated Beckham free-kick then put the German side under pressure again, but Lothar Matthaus headed the ball dead.
The game was undoubtedly favouring United, despite the early setback"
posted on 19/5/14
bloodred,
I somewhat agree with you. However, the way we set up in that second final was so poor. We never gave ourselves a chance. And that's the most frustrating thing for me.
posted on 19/5/14
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 55 seconds ago
We didn't have Hernandez in 2010. Our other options were Berba and Macheda - and neither of them were serving us very well in the league at the time.
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And Owen, I should add. Though he was most likely injured anyway.
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The point is that the standard of opposition, especially in the semi's weren't so good that we wouldn't have been able to over come them without Rooney, I think we would have beaten Lyon with Berba up front.
That Inter team wasn't as good as the Juve team from 95-97 or Real's team in '02, there were harder obstacles to overcome in those seasons than in '10 IMO.
posted on 19/5/14
I actually think we should have won it a couple years back when Nani was sent off agaisnt real madrid. We were in control of the game up until that point and I believe we would have beaten dortmund in the semis and who knows about the final agaisnt bayern. It owuld have been 50/50
posted on 19/5/14
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 2 minutes ago
bloodred,
I somewhat agree with you. However, the way we set up in that second final was so poor. We never gave ourselves a chance. And that's the most frustrating thing for me.
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Agreed. Thinking about it now, it's laughable that we set Carrick and Giggs up to play against arguably the greatest midfield ever assembled.
posted on 19/5/14
"comment by nife (U18342)
posted 42 seconds ago
I actually think we should have won it a couple years back when Nani was sent off agaisnt real madrid. We were in control of the game up until that point and I believe we would have beaten dortmund in the semis and who knows about the final agaisnt bayern. It owuld have been 50/50"
Perhaps, although I am more aggrieved by the countless times we have lost to the eventual winners, because it highlights how close we were. The Real game was unjust, but I don't think we were as nailed on to win the CL as we were in 2010.
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