I think Rio, Vidic and Evra all have a case for being one of United top players in the past 10 years surely?
They're not glamorous players but they are arguably the best player in their position in the world over the past 10 years, something Rooney hasn't been (although I would put Rooney in the top 5 players for United in the past 10 years).
TRC
Yes, but ibn previous seasons it led to him and Valenia working well.
Last year he was doing it more often despite Valencia not being able to hit a barn door with a banjo.
He could get back to his best if he put the effort in. I reluctantly agree with Barton in that he's not committed enough to being as good as he can be, it's why he has so many droughts all the time.
True, he has played in midfield and wide when asked. It's more specific tactics such as marking a particular player or staying in an area which can often hinder the rest of the team.
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I do get what you are saying there and agree.
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He definitely needs to cut out the cross field long ball, it looks beautiful when done properly, but Rooney ain't Scholes or Beckham so he rarely pulls it off.
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The thing is he does often pull thenm off, it just always comes to no end.
When you analyse it, he is doing what Carrick should be doing, and getting it through the midfield quickly.
The draw back is that Rooney drops too deep to do this, making it pointless, because there is no one ahead of him to receive the ball back.
I think Rio, Vidic and Evra all have a case for being one of United top players in the past 10 years surely?
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Yes they do. But not ahead of Rooney.
Spurtle2
Problem Rooney has there is people automatically compare him to Ronaldo because of their age and the fact they were at United together. This is a bit harsh though because any player in the world probably looks lazy in comparison to the work Ronaldo put in to be where he is now.
But saying that I do think Rooney could have looked after himself better.
As many know i was among the very first to see Rooney's shortcomings; those days, i was a group of one.
Endless Rooney bashing doesn't achieve anything. It doesn't mean one should give him a free ride.
But let's get real: Rooney is going nowhere. I have accepted that; many should too and take the good with the bad.
He could get back to his best if he put the effort in. I reluctantly agree with Barton in that he's not committed enough to being as good as he can be, it's why he has so many droughts all the time.
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I think theere is quite a bit to this, although I have no idea what kind of effort he puts in at training.
Somehow, I get the impression that once training is over, he goes home. I could well be wrong on this.
He doesn't come across as a Scholes, Giggs or Beckham who would stay behind an extra couple of hours to work on things. I mention those three because they used to do this when they were young, with a certain Frenchman.
We seem to forget easily:
Apart from when Rooney was very young the season after Ronaldo left was the only time i would say Rooney lived up to his billing.
The rest were all flashes, hype and tantrums. I remember Nani and Chicharito carrying the team without him. I remember him being sent off to conditioning or whatever and he came back and still struggled.
Rooney's not crap but huuuuuuugely overrated!
manutd - You can tell by his figure at times that he probably doesn't put the effort in. He's a better player overall from when he just started, but possibly doesn't have the same hunger (at least for football).
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 4 minutes ago
He could get back to his best if he put the effort in. I reluctantly agree with Barton in that he's not committed enough to being as good as he can be, it's why he has so many droughts all the time.
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I think theere is quite a bit to this, although I have no idea what kind of effort he puts in at training.
Somehow, I get the impression that once training is over, he goes home. I could well be wrong on this.
He doesn't come across as a Scholes, Giggs or Beckham who would stay behind an extra couple of hours to work on things. I mention those three because they used to do this when they were young, with a certain Frenchman.
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I used to think he was the type to stay after training and practice. Not so much now. Maybe because of the money he's earning as well it makes me think he doesn't need to bother as much.
I remember him being sent off to conditioning or whatever and he came back and still struggled.
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The season Berba was dropped immediately he came back.
He was sent away for conditioning and to get him away from the media as he was whóring around when his wife was pregnant
He said: "I'm in the best condition. I want to show the world what I can do. There will be no excuses if I don't."
"Obviously I've been here before and I've said what I feel I can deliver and what I can do and it hasn't happened," Rooney admitted.
"I think this is the one where I have to show what I can do and I believe I'm in the best possible shape. I want to show the world what I can do and I really believe this is the time to do it.
"I'm ready for it, excited for it. There will be no excuses this time if I don't perform. I certainly won't be looking for any excuses this time.
"I've no issues whatsoever and I'm ready for this tournament. I want to give everything, leave everything on the pitch and as I've said before I won't have any excuses this time if it doesn't come off for me."
"Obviously I missed the last few games of the season and I wanted to make sure I was ready and available to train when the team met up and that was the reason behind it," he said.
"It certainly helped me get up to speed again and obviously join in with the team again first day, where if I didn't do that I'd maybe have to do two or three days here with the physios and fitness coaches before I could join in."
"I believe we can go far. I believe we've got the players and our aim is to win the tournament.
"We don't want to go there saying we'll be happy getting to the quarter-final, even the semi-final. Our aim is to win the tournament and that's what we are preparing for. That's what we hope can happen and with a bit of luck you never know, we could do.
"I think everyone can feel the excitement around the squad that Roy's picked.
"Certainly I'm excited to play with these players. And to go to the biggest tournament with such a young squad and so much energy, so much pace in the squad, which I don't believe we've had in previous tournaments. It will be great for us and I believe we can do well."
Seems pretty up for the WC... didn't go to Vegas on his break this year but did some physio to make sure he is in shape and ready to go. Could be a blessing in disguise that he was able to have the last 3 games off this year as Utd had nothing to play for.
I remember him being sent off to conditioning or whatever and he came back and still struggled.
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Your memory isn't good on that one. He came back and finished that season really well.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 32 seconds ago
I remember him being sent off to conditioning or whatever and he came back and still struggled.
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Your memory isn't good on that one. He came back and finished that season really well.
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I thought that too. I remember his coming back in great shape and storming the rest of the season after indifferent form beforehand.
The thing with Rooney is that there is a quality player there and an astute football brain.
He just needs to be utilised properly and made not to feel indispensable. That is very dangerous
And for those doubting Rooney's desire and commitment to training here is an excerpt from Scholes' blog:
"The standout thing about Wayne is he always wants to be playing football. He’s almost like a schoolkid. You can’t stop him from training, in a day and age when many players don’t really want to train properly and only train if they have to. It’s quite easy to get yourself out of training with ‘fitness’ problems. Wayne is different. He’s old school. He loves being a footballer."
comment by Robert pan Versie #20 (U1145)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 32 seconds ago
I remember him being sent off to conditioning or whatever and he came back and still struggled.
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Your memory isn't good on that one. He came back and finished that season really well.
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I thought that too. I remember his coming back in great shape and storming the rest of the season after indifferent form beforehand.
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He did
Hey VC, Wazza does often stay behind and work on his game.
Moyes mentioned that Welbeck didn't and that he should adopt the same attitude as Rooney and stay behind to work more after training
You're right about how he came back from the training camp in America. He came back in fantastic shape and was like a different player.
RpV
Rooney took the physios away himself at his own expense
Nothing to do with the club. he wanted to do everything he could to be in the best shape for the WC
Macca
As per the Scholes comments I posted above Rooney isn't one to shoot off early or duck out of training:
"The standout thing about Wayne is he always wants to be playing football. He’s almost like a schoolkid. You can’t stop him from training, in a day and age when many players don’t really want to train properly and only train if they have to. It’s quite easy to get yourself out of training with ‘fitness’ problems. Wayne is different. He’s old school. He loves being a footballer."
I know he took the physio's himself, I was making the point that he did instead of going away to Vegas as he did pre-2010 WC. My comments again...:
"Seems pretty up for the WC... didn't go to Vegas on his break this year but did some physio to make sure he is in shape and ready to go"
I'm a Rooney defender mate
Macca & RpV
Just goes to show how perceptions can be wrong.
Wazza definately needs to spend time working on controling the football, that is for sure.
Here is another of my perceptions.
Wellbeck comes across as someone who thinks has already got it made.
One of the kind Keano had his rant on MUTV about. Again, as with Wazza, I have no evidence to back that up.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 10 minutes ago
Macca & RpV
Just goes to show how perceptions can be wrong.
Wazza definately needs to spend time working on controling the football, that is for sure.
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Hey VC
Ive always said about Rooney
It's hard to have any finesse when you are panting because you have just ran to the edge of your own box and back
More to it than that Macca.
It is a similar issue us high handicap golfers have. Moving the head before hitting the ball, or in Rooney's case, controling it.
comment by UnitedRedMacca (U2024)
posted 15 hours, 46 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 10 minutes ago
Macca & RpV
Just goes to show how perceptions can be wrong.
Wazza definately needs to spend time working on controling the football, that is for sure.
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Hey VC
Ive always said about Rooney
It's hard to have any finesse when you are panting because you have just ran to the edge of your own box and back
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That oaf that is Yaya pretty much does the same thing but he has no problems controlling a football.
Heck, as much as i loathe Liverpool, Gerrard did that all his career, but he had no problems controlling a football.
Rooney no doubt, lately gets a rough treatment on this board. Sometimes unjustified but let's call a spade a spade at times.
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posted on 22/5/14
I think Rio, Vidic and Evra all have a case for being one of United top players in the past 10 years surely?
They're not glamorous players but they are arguably the best player in their position in the world over the past 10 years, something Rooney hasn't been (although I would put Rooney in the top 5 players for United in the past 10 years).
posted on 22/5/14
TRC
Yes, but ibn previous seasons it led to him and Valenia working well.
Last year he was doing it more often despite Valencia not being able to hit a barn door with a banjo.
posted on 22/5/14
He could get back to his best if he put the effort in. I reluctantly agree with Barton in that he's not committed enough to being as good as he can be, it's why he has so many droughts all the time.
posted on 22/5/14
True, he has played in midfield and wide when asked. It's more specific tactics such as marking a particular player or staying in an area which can often hinder the rest of the team.
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I do get what you are saying there and agree.
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He definitely needs to cut out the cross field long ball, it looks beautiful when done properly, but Rooney ain't Scholes or Beckham so he rarely pulls it off.
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The thing is he does often pull thenm off, it just always comes to no end.
When you analyse it, he is doing what Carrick should be doing, and getting it through the midfield quickly.
The draw back is that Rooney drops too deep to do this, making it pointless, because there is no one ahead of him to receive the ball back.
posted on 22/5/14
I think Rio, Vidic and Evra all have a case for being one of United top players in the past 10 years surely?
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Yes they do. But not ahead of Rooney.
posted on 22/5/14
Spurtle2
Problem Rooney has there is people automatically compare him to Ronaldo because of their age and the fact they were at United together. This is a bit harsh though because any player in the world probably looks lazy in comparison to the work Ronaldo put in to be where he is now.
But saying that I do think Rooney could have looked after himself better.
posted on 22/5/14
As many know i was among the very first to see Rooney's shortcomings; those days, i was a group of one.
Endless Rooney bashing doesn't achieve anything. It doesn't mean one should give him a free ride.
But let's get real: Rooney is going nowhere. I have accepted that; many should too and take the good with the bad.
posted on 22/5/14
He could get back to his best if he put the effort in. I reluctantly agree with Barton in that he's not committed enough to being as good as he can be, it's why he has so many droughts all the time.
.................
I think theere is quite a bit to this, although I have no idea what kind of effort he puts in at training.
Somehow, I get the impression that once training is over, he goes home. I could well be wrong on this.
He doesn't come across as a Scholes, Giggs or Beckham who would stay behind an extra couple of hours to work on things. I mention those three because they used to do this when they were young, with a certain Frenchman.
posted on 22/5/14
We seem to forget easily:
Apart from when Rooney was very young the season after Ronaldo left was the only time i would say Rooney lived up to his billing.
The rest were all flashes, hype and tantrums. I remember Nani and Chicharito carrying the team without him. I remember him being sent off to conditioning or whatever and he came back and still struggled.
Rooney's not crap but huuuuuuugely overrated!
posted on 22/5/14
manutd - You can tell by his figure at times that he probably doesn't put the effort in. He's a better player overall from when he just started, but possibly doesn't have the same hunger (at least for football).
posted on 22/5/14
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 4 minutes ago
He could get back to his best if he put the effort in. I reluctantly agree with Barton in that he's not committed enough to being as good as he can be, it's why he has so many droughts all the time.
.................
I think theere is quite a bit to this, although I have no idea what kind of effort he puts in at training.
Somehow, I get the impression that once training is over, he goes home. I could well be wrong on this.
He doesn't come across as a Scholes, Giggs or Beckham who would stay behind an extra couple of hours to work on things. I mention those three because they used to do this when they were young, with a certain Frenchman.
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I used to think he was the type to stay after training and practice. Not so much now. Maybe because of the money he's earning as well it makes me think he doesn't need to bother as much.
posted on 22/5/14
I remember him being sent off to conditioning or whatever and he came back and still struggled.
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The season Berba was dropped immediately he came back.
He was sent away for conditioning and to get him away from the media as he was whóring around when his wife was pregnant
posted on 22/5/14
He said: "I'm in the best condition. I want to show the world what I can do. There will be no excuses if I don't."
"Obviously I've been here before and I've said what I feel I can deliver and what I can do and it hasn't happened," Rooney admitted.
"I think this is the one where I have to show what I can do and I believe I'm in the best possible shape. I want to show the world what I can do and I really believe this is the time to do it.
"I'm ready for it, excited for it. There will be no excuses this time if I don't perform. I certainly won't be looking for any excuses this time.
"I've no issues whatsoever and I'm ready for this tournament. I want to give everything, leave everything on the pitch and as I've said before I won't have any excuses this time if it doesn't come off for me."
"Obviously I missed the last few games of the season and I wanted to make sure I was ready and available to train when the team met up and that was the reason behind it," he said.
"It certainly helped me get up to speed again and obviously join in with the team again first day, where if I didn't do that I'd maybe have to do two or three days here with the physios and fitness coaches before I could join in."
"I believe we can go far. I believe we've got the players and our aim is to win the tournament.
"We don't want to go there saying we'll be happy getting to the quarter-final, even the semi-final. Our aim is to win the tournament and that's what we are preparing for. That's what we hope can happen and with a bit of luck you never know, we could do.
"I think everyone can feel the excitement around the squad that Roy's picked.
"Certainly I'm excited to play with these players. And to go to the biggest tournament with such a young squad and so much energy, so much pace in the squad, which I don't believe we've had in previous tournaments. It will be great for us and I believe we can do well."
Seems pretty up for the WC... didn't go to Vegas on his break this year but did some physio to make sure he is in shape and ready to go. Could be a blessing in disguise that he was able to have the last 3 games off this year as Utd had nothing to play for.
posted on 22/5/14
I remember him being sent off to conditioning or whatever and he came back and still struggled.
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Your memory isn't good on that one. He came back and finished that season really well.
posted on 22/5/14
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 32 seconds ago
I remember him being sent off to conditioning or whatever and he came back and still struggled.
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Your memory isn't good on that one. He came back and finished that season really well.
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I thought that too. I remember his coming back in great shape and storming the rest of the season after indifferent form beforehand.
posted on 22/5/14
The thing with Rooney is that there is a quality player there and an astute football brain.
He just needs to be utilised properly and made not to feel indispensable. That is very dangerous
posted on 22/5/14
And for those doubting Rooney's desire and commitment to training here is an excerpt from Scholes' blog:
"The standout thing about Wayne is he always wants to be playing football. He’s almost like a schoolkid. You can’t stop him from training, in a day and age when many players don’t really want to train properly and only train if they have to. It’s quite easy to get yourself out of training with ‘fitness’ problems. Wayne is different. He’s old school. He loves being a footballer."
posted on 22/5/14
comment by Robert pan Versie #20 (U1145)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 32 seconds ago
I remember him being sent off to conditioning or whatever and he came back and still struggled.
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Your memory isn't good on that one. He came back and finished that season really well.
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I thought that too. I remember his coming back in great shape and storming the rest of the season after indifferent form beforehand.
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He did
Hey VC, Wazza does often stay behind and work on his game.
Moyes mentioned that Welbeck didn't and that he should adopt the same attitude as Rooney and stay behind to work more after training
You're right about how he came back from the training camp in America. He came back in fantastic shape and was like a different player.
RpV
Rooney took the physios away himself at his own expense
Nothing to do with the club. he wanted to do everything he could to be in the best shape for the WC
posted on 22/5/14
Macca
As per the Scholes comments I posted above Rooney isn't one to shoot off early or duck out of training:
"The standout thing about Wayne is he always wants to be playing football. He’s almost like a schoolkid. You can’t stop him from training, in a day and age when many players don’t really want to train properly and only train if they have to. It’s quite easy to get yourself out of training with ‘fitness’ problems. Wayne is different. He’s old school. He loves being a footballer."
I know he took the physio's himself, I was making the point that he did instead of going away to Vegas as he did pre-2010 WC. My comments again...:
"Seems pretty up for the WC... didn't go to Vegas on his break this year but did some physio to make sure he is in shape and ready to go"
I'm a Rooney defender mate
posted on 22/5/14
ok bud
posted on 22/5/14
Macca & RpV
Just goes to show how perceptions can be wrong.
Wazza definately needs to spend time working on controling the football, that is for sure.
posted on 22/5/14
Here is another of my perceptions.
Wellbeck comes across as someone who thinks has already got it made.
One of the kind Keano had his rant on MUTV about. Again, as with Wazza, I have no evidence to back that up.
posted on 22/5/14
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 10 minutes ago
Macca & RpV
Just goes to show how perceptions can be wrong.
Wazza definately needs to spend time working on controling the football, that is for sure.
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Hey VC
Ive always said about Rooney
It's hard to have any finesse when you are panting because you have just ran to the edge of your own box and back
posted on 22/5/14
More to it than that Macca.
It is a similar issue us high handicap golfers have. Moving the head before hitting the ball, or in Rooney's case, controling it.
posted on 23/5/14
comment by UnitedRedMacca (U2024)
posted 15 hours, 46 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 10 minutes ago
Macca & RpV
Just goes to show how perceptions can be wrong.
Wazza definately needs to spend time working on controling the football, that is for sure.
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Hey VC
Ive always said about Rooney
It's hard to have any finesse when you are panting because you have just ran to the edge of your own box and back
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That oaf that is Yaya pretty much does the same thing but he has no problems controlling a football.
Heck, as much as i loathe Liverpool, Gerrard did that all his career, but he had no problems controlling a football.
Rooney no doubt, lately gets a rough treatment on this board. Sometimes unjustified but let's call a spade a spade at times.
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