He problem is a midfield 3 containing mata and fabregas....surely not enough legs and defensive protection ?
Apparantly lvg likes one defensive mid, one box to box and one CAM
1) Its an educated guess considering the system he used at Bayern
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He has played many systems, so it is just a guess, not an educated one.
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2)Fabregas could fit into Barcelona system if he could get to play in his favorite position
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An assumption. Not necessarilly a correct one. As it stands he isn't good enouigh to play in his position, so he clearly doesn't fit the system he is being asked to play in. Yes?
Cesc stats at barca
15 goals and 18 assists last season
17 goals and 16 assist season before
17 goals and 11 assist season before that
That is while not playing in his preferred position in a system that doesnt suit him. Id love it if he did not fit in with that kind of stats
Hey SLM, what happened to Modric in the CL final. He was pants.
comment by SouthLondonManc (U12028)
posted 11 minutes ago
Good players fit into any system.
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No they don't.
Fabregas fits at Barca just that he isn't playing where he would like and Barca aren't massively reliant on him so are happy to sell. Saying that doesn't he have the most assists in La Liga over the past 2 seasons, since joining Barca.
He isn't exactly what we need but I do think he would still improve us immensely, he began his career as a more traditional CM and he has been asked to play more forward at Barca because of the players they already have. Whether he could slot back into the CM role I honestly couldn't say, I'd be happy if we got him because he is a brilliant player but also because I'm not really sure who we are interested in who actually would offer what we require in midfield, I am worried. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.
An assumption. Not necessarilly a correct one. As it stands he isn't good enouigh to play in his position, so he clearly doesn't fit the system he is being asked to play in. Yes?
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he isn't good enouigh to play in his position because he is not better than Xavi and Iniesta, If Xavi and Iniesta is the benchmark for CMs we are going to buy, we wont be buying anyone
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
Hey SLM, what happened to Modric in the CL final. He was pants.
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Are you for real?
comment by SouthLondonManc (U12028)
posted 7 minutes ago
Fabregas can play as 2 in the middle
Fabregas can play as 3 in the midfield as well.
We are making the same mistake with Modric
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It seems that LVG wants 2 physical CMs for his system. Cesc is more an attacking CM - which I think he have covered.
"Hey SLM, what happened to Modric in the CL final. He was pants."
He wasn't. He wasn't at his best but I thought he did ok. Overall this season he has been excellent for Real.
Modric certainly was not pants in the CL final
Id love it if he did not fit in with that kind of stats
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Well, he obviously doesn't fit in, does he.
And I really wouldn't go by stats playing for Barcelona in La Liga.
Yes they look good, but they are really warped beyonmg belief.
Messi and Ronaldo score over 100 goals each season between them in La liga. You would be hard pressed to find five strikers who can manage that in the prem.
And I really wouldn't go by stats playing for Barcelona in La Liga.
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His stats at Arsenal weren't too dissimilar.
He wasn't. He wasn't at his best but I thought he did ok. Overall this season he has been excellent for Real.
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1982
I know, I'm messing with SLM.
Modric was indirectly responsible for Ramos equalizer.
TBF Messi and Ronaldo are the 2 best players on the planet by a country mile. You put either one in City's line up and I reckon you could see them getting close to 50 goals a season.
SLM
His assist stats yes, goal statsn nowhere near bar one season.
I like Fabregas, just not sure he is a player LVG is looking for. We will soon find out. If we don't show any interest, you will know he isn't.
1982
Come on man, windy nights at Stoke and all that.
No one can perform on a windy night at Stoke.
VC
The system at barca didnt quite suit him I agree but the main reason he didnt excel at barca is because he didnt get to play in his best position. he couldnt do that because he is not better than Xavi and Iniesta
I dont know why you dont want him, Cesc is exactly the sort of a CM we need, he is one player that can take on the mantle from scholes. PL proven. Although we will need a DM like bary to partner him if we get him
Cesc and Schweinsteiger would be a great combo ....
VC
The system at barca didnt quite suit him I agree
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And that is my point.
It doesn't matter how great an individual player you are. If you don't fit into a system then it usually doesn't work out for you.
Kagawa is a classic example of this.
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Cissokho scored on a wet windy night at Stoke
comment by garynevillesmoustache (U1910)
posted 5 seconds ago
Cesc and Schweinsteiger would be a great combo ....
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Now we are seeing someone adding some sense. As I said earlier, or on an different thread, stick a Robbo type player with him, and we do have an Uncle Robert.
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posted on 5/6/14
He problem is a midfield 3 containing mata and fabregas....surely not enough legs and defensive protection ?
Apparantly lvg likes one defensive mid, one box to box and one CAM
posted on 5/6/14
1) Its an educated guess considering the system he used at Bayern
............
He has played many systems, so it is just a guess, not an educated one.
..............
2)Fabregas could fit into Barcelona system if he could get to play in his favorite position
..............
An assumption. Not necessarilly a correct one. As it stands he isn't good enouigh to play in his position, so he clearly doesn't fit the system he is being asked to play in. Yes?
posted on 5/6/14
Cesc stats at barca
15 goals and 18 assists last season
17 goals and 16 assist season before
17 goals and 11 assist season before that
That is while not playing in his preferred position in a system that doesnt suit him. Id love it if he did not fit in with that kind of stats
posted on 5/6/14
Hey SLM, what happened to Modric in the CL final. He was pants.
posted on 5/6/14
comment by SouthLondonManc (U12028)
posted 11 minutes ago
Good players fit into any system.
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No they don't.
posted on 5/6/14
Fabregas fits at Barca just that he isn't playing where he would like and Barca aren't massively reliant on him so are happy to sell. Saying that doesn't he have the most assists in La Liga over the past 2 seasons, since joining Barca.
He isn't exactly what we need but I do think he would still improve us immensely, he began his career as a more traditional CM and he has been asked to play more forward at Barca because of the players they already have. Whether he could slot back into the CM role I honestly couldn't say, I'd be happy if we got him because he is a brilliant player but also because I'm not really sure who we are interested in who actually would offer what we require in midfield, I am worried. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.
posted on 5/6/14
An assumption. Not necessarilly a correct one. As it stands he isn't good enouigh to play in his position, so he clearly doesn't fit the system he is being asked to play in. Yes?
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he isn't good enouigh to play in his position because he is not better than Xavi and Iniesta, If Xavi and Iniesta is the benchmark for CMs we are going to buy, we wont be buying anyone
posted on 5/6/14
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
Hey SLM, what happened to Modric in the CL final. He was pants.
-----------------------------------------
Are you for real?
posted on 5/6/14
comment by SouthLondonManc (U12028)
posted 7 minutes ago
Fabregas can play as 2 in the middle
Fabregas can play as 3 in the midfield as well.
We are making the same mistake with Modric
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It seems that LVG wants 2 physical CMs for his system. Cesc is more an attacking CM - which I think he have covered.
posted on 5/6/14
"Hey SLM, what happened to Modric in the CL final. He was pants."
He wasn't. He wasn't at his best but I thought he did ok. Overall this season he has been excellent for Real.
posted on 5/6/14
Modric certainly was not pants in the CL final
posted on 5/6/14
Id love it if he did not fit in with that kind of stats
...................
Well, he obviously doesn't fit in, does he.
And I really wouldn't go by stats playing for Barcelona in La Liga.
Yes they look good, but they are really warped beyonmg belief.
Messi and Ronaldo score over 100 goals each season between them in La liga. You would be hard pressed to find five strikers who can manage that in the prem.
posted on 5/6/14
And I really wouldn't go by stats playing for Barcelona in La Liga.
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His stats at Arsenal weren't too dissimilar.
posted on 5/6/14
He wasn't. He wasn't at his best but I thought he did ok. Overall this season he has been excellent for Real.
.........
1982
I know, I'm messing with SLM.
Modric was indirectly responsible for Ramos equalizer.
posted on 5/6/14
TBF Messi and Ronaldo are the 2 best players on the planet by a country mile. You put either one in City's line up and I reckon you could see them getting close to 50 goals a season.
posted on 5/6/14
SLM
His assist stats yes, goal statsn nowhere near bar one season.
I like Fabregas, just not sure he is a player LVG is looking for. We will soon find out. If we don't show any interest, you will know he isn't.
posted on 5/6/14
VC
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Agreed.
posted on 5/6/14
1982
Come on man, windy nights at Stoke and all that.
posted on 5/6/14
No one can perform on a windy night at Stoke.
posted on 5/6/14
VC
The system at barca didnt quite suit him I agree but the main reason he didnt excel at barca is because he didnt get to play in his best position. he couldnt do that because he is not better than Xavi and Iniesta
I dont know why you dont want him, Cesc is exactly the sort of a CM we need, he is one player that can take on the mantle from scholes. PL proven. Although we will need a DM like bary to partner him if we get him
posted on 5/6/14
Cesc and Schweinsteiger would be a great combo ....
posted on 5/6/14
VC
The system at barca didnt quite suit him I agree
............
And that is my point.
It doesn't matter how great an individual player you are. If you don't fit into a system then it usually doesn't work out for you.
Kagawa is a classic example of this.
posted on 5/6/14
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posted on 5/6/14
Cissokho scored on a wet windy night at Stoke
posted on 5/6/14
comment by garynevillesmoustache (U1910)
posted 5 seconds ago
Cesc and Schweinsteiger would be a great combo ....
.............
Now we are seeing someone adding some sense. As I said earlier, or on an different thread, stick a Robbo type player with him, and we do have an Uncle Robert.
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