Cinciwolf, there was an agreement for a two state solution back in 1993, why did right wing Israeli settlers oppose this plan and assassinate their president?
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You are acting as if Israel are the only country to have right wing political views. Unfortunately they succeeded in disrupting a peace process.
comment by ItsAboutTheBackFour (U9916)
posted 4 minutes ago
"Read your own comment and tell me who's not grasping it buddy"
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Yes I've read it - but you STILL can't grasp it so let me spell it out for you - just because it's called "Arab land" doesn't mean they own it ALL and nobody else can live there - you clearly know sweet FA about history
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Or....you're missing my point
I never mentioned Arab land or anything close to it. As an aside - not sure how you providing me with a loose definition of land ownership links to history knowledge though
Yeah I've got your point - it's on the top of your head
comment by ItsAboutTheBackFour (U9916)
posted 1 second ago
Yeah I've got your point - it's on the top of your head
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Ok mate
They wouldn't label people terrorist if they weren't carrying out attacks of Israelis citizens. It's not fun just labelling people terrorists. It's not until recently that they accepted that Israel aren't going away and therefore need a state.
....................................................
Nelson Mandela was a terrorist...
it isn't ideal, but neither is any military action... if you need to resist and fight unfairness, as the Palestinians and Black South Africans needed to then it is perfectly acceptable...
Not his entire worldview but in some ways Mandela is one of my few political heroes, the world needs more terrorists like Mandela!
I'm not your mate - I don't have pointy-headed mates
comment by ItsAboutTheBackFour (U9916)
posted 2 minutes ago
I'm not your mate - I don't have pointy-headed mates
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Not that you see anyway
comment by SAF_The_Legend 20 times #SupportMoyes (previously 7_The_Arab) (U5768)
posted 42 seconds ago
They wouldn't label people terrorist if they weren't carrying out attacks of Israelis citizens. It's not fun just labelling people terrorists. It's not until recently that they accepted that Israel aren't going away and therefore need a state.
....................................................
Nelson Mandela was a terrorist...
it isn't ideal, but neither is any military action... if you need to resist and fight unfairness, as the Palestinians and Black South Africans needed to then it is perfectly acceptable...
Not his entire worldview but in some ways Mandela is one of my few political heroes, the world needs more terrorists like Mandela!
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South Africans didn't get their wish by fighting and killing every innocent white in SA. They'd never have succeeded if they didn't stop the violence. They forgot the past and accepted the whites as part of their own and made peace.
If Hamas don't do something similar I can't see any peace in the region. If the people want Israel wiped out then..
Not that you see anyway
======================
Well I wouldn't would I, you're clearly living in a parallel universe with lots of phantom points
i totally agree the resolution handling for the two areas should be carbon copied where possible. Was a little about your summation of the Irish cause though
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Yeah it was very badly worded and I know the Irish had been terribly mistreated through English/British and had every right to seek independence!
..........................................
Because it was a preconceived idea to wipe the whole people out and nothing to do with diplomacy? You can't really compare two things that are totally nothing alike..
..........................................
Many of the Jews of the Warsaw Ghetto did not know this for sure, they were slowly being herded into a smaller and more crowded place and the poverty and disease was killing them.
Much like the Palestinians they chose to fight back, they chose to become terrorists and I would have happily died alongside those guys
But out of interest.... if the Jews were not being sent off to be killed should they have accepted the conditions in the Warsaw Ghetto and not have fought back?
Although its not publically stated will there be any Palestinians left if the Israeli's continue? there will be barely any land called Palestine for Palestinians to be born in!
comment by {honestlivpool~five~times} 👽 🐎 (U1661)
posted 8 minutes ago
Cinciwolf, there was an agreement for a two state solution back in 1993, why did right wing Israeli settlers oppose this plan and assassinate their president?
=================================
You are acting as if Israel are the only country to have right wing political views. Unfortunately they succeeded in disrupting a peace process.
---------
I wasn't asking about other countries with a right wing element, this right wing element derailed a peace process and assassinated their president. The question is why?
I asked, admittedly didn't direct it to you, but instead of answering you pointed to other countries having right wing elements... Which is a very poor argument. Again, why did right wing Israeli settlers oppose this plan and assassinate their president?
And who voted in Ayelet Shaked?
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/why-im-on-the-brink-of-burning-my-israeli-passport-9600165.html
South Africans didn't get their wish by fighting and killing every innocent white in SA. They'd never have succeeded if they didn't stop the violence. They forgot the past and accepted the whites as part of their own and made peace.
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A small percentage of the events, international pressure and boycotts isolated racist South Africa and speeded things up.
This is what will happen, and is happening with increasing observation now.
South Africans didn't get their wish by fighting and killing every innocent white in SA. They'd never have succeeded if they didn't stop the violence. They forgot the past and accepted the whites as part of their own and made peace.
If Hamas don't do something similar I can't see any peace in the region. If the people want Israel wiped out then..
..........................................
It was the violence and international pressure that eventually told in South Africa.... unfortunately for the Palestinians the international pressure on Israel is practically non-existent in comparison to the international pressure on SA.
comment by ItsAboutTheBackFour (U9916)
posted 43 seconds ago
Not that you see anyway
======================
Well I wouldn't would I, you're clearly living in a parallel universe with lots of phantom points
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It was too cryptic perhaps
Right I'm off. Really interesting debate this one. Liked hearing Cinci's side of it albeit he didn't sway me.
Free Palestine.
Wish them all the strength and support to somehow rid themselves of their captors.
Here's to an Israeli free zone.
Night all
comment by SAF_The_Legend 20 times #SupportMoyes (previously 7_The_Arab) (U5768)
posted 8 seconds ago
i totally agree the resolution handling for the two areas should be carbon copied where possible. Was a little about your summation of the Irish cause though
.................................................................
Yeah it was very badly worded and I know the Irish had been terribly mistreated through English/British and had every right to seek independence!
..........................................
Because it was a preconceived idea to wipe the whole people out and nothing to do with diplomacy? You can't really compare two things that are totally nothing alike..
..........................................
Many of the Jews of the Warsaw Ghetto did not know this for sure, they were slowly being herded into a smaller and more crowded place and the poverty and disease was killing them.
Much like the Palestinians they chose to fight back, they chose to become terrorists and I would have happily died alongside those guys
But out of interest.... if the Jews were not being sent off to be killed should they have accepted the conditions in the Warsaw Ghetto and not have fought back?
Although its not publically stated will there be any Palestinians left if the Israeli's continue? there will be barely any land called Palestine for Palestinians to be born in!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is nonsense..
The Jews were killed because they were born Jewish.
Palestinian blockade was introduced after series of suicide bombings and attacks by Hamas on Israeli citizens.
Comparing both is absurd..
What next? Compare prisons to slavery?
why did right wing Israeli settlers oppose this plan and assassinate their president?
And who voted in Ayelet Shaked?
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/why-im-on-the-brink-of-burning-my-israeli-passport-9600165.html
"It was too cryptic perhaps "
=======================
Yeah, I've heard that before from people who have no comeback to something they find uncomfortable
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by {honestlivpool~five~times} 👽 🐎 (U1661)
posted 8 minutes ago
Cinciwolf, there was an agreement for a two state solution back in 1993, why did right wing Israeli settlers oppose this plan and assassinate their president?
=================================
You are acting as if Israel are the only country to have right wing political views. Unfortunately they succeeded in disrupting a peace process.
---------
I wasn't asking about other countries with a right wing element, this right wing element derailed a peace process and assassinated their president. The question is why?
I asked, admittedly didn't direct it to you, but instead of answering you pointed to other countries having right wing elements... Which is a very poor argument. Again, why did right wing Israeli settlers oppose this plan and assassinate their president?
And who voted in Ayelet Shaked?
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/why-im-on-the-brink-of-burning-my-israeli-passport-9600165.html
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I'm shocked you're actually asking why the (extreme) right wing derailed the peace process. They're usually a minority are usually kind of racist. Heard of tea party in America that want Mexicans deported?
It's very unfortunate that they managed to succeed. And No I don't read the deceitful British newspapers
Yeah? Well stop making strangers uncomfortable then you absolute weirdo
Night precious
Again you didn't answer why..
Why.. why did the right wing Israelis feel they had to disrupt the peace process, why did they think that was a good idea, and kill their own president?
Never mind which nations papers, you didn't answer again, who voted in Ayelet Shaked?
oOg(Ö_önzOo²©®™ (U1023)
Brilliant post mate
Heard of tea party in America that want Mexicans deported?
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Again... pointing to things that have nothing to do with the conflict we're discussing.
This is nonsense..
The Jews were killed because they were born Jewish.
....................................................
The Palestinians are being killed because they were not born Jewish....
Although is it okay because they label it all collateral damage?
.....................................
Palestinian blockade was introduced after series of suicide bombings and attacks by Hamas on Israeli citizens.
....................................
Ahh right everyone was living peacefully and happy until the Palestinians started suicide bombings?
The Israelis had already taken most of their land, they were already living in a state of poverty, the Israelis owned a much larger share of the important natural resources (economics one and basic survival ones like water)
Do you really think Palestinians were blowing themselves up because they just don't like Jews...
Hell maybe the Black South Africans just fought the Whites because they were racist...
I am not sure why you are mentioning Hamas and the blockade though... the terrorism started long before that....
If i remember rightly it was the Jews who introduced terrorism to the region when they drove the British out of the region via bombings and assassinations and various other terrorist methods... (well to that area in the modern day anyway)
"Yeah? Well stop making strangers uncomfortable then you absolute weirdo "
=======================
I guess that truth really hurt didn't it
I asked, admittedly didn't direct it to you, but instead of answering you pointed to other countries having right wing elements... Which is a very poor argument. Again, why did right wing Israeli settlers oppose this plan and assassinate their president?
And who voted in Ayelet Shaked?
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/why-im-on-the-brink-of-burning-my-israeli-passport-9600165.html
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm shocked you're actually asking why the (extreme) right wing derailed the peace process. They're usually a minority are usually kind of racist. Heard of tea party in America that want Mexicans deported?
It's very unfortunate that they managed to succeed. And No I don't read the deceitful British newspapers
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That answer ^ {honestlivpool~five~times} 👽 🐎 (U1661)
Benayoun is a Disgrace
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posted on 26/7/14
Cinciwolf, there was an agreement for a two state solution back in 1993, why did right wing Israeli settlers oppose this plan and assassinate their president?
=================================
You are acting as if Israel are the only country to have right wing political views. Unfortunately they succeeded in disrupting a peace process.
posted on 26/7/14
comment by ItsAboutTheBackFour (U9916)
posted 4 minutes ago
"Read your own comment and tell me who's not grasping it buddy"
===================================
Yes I've read it - but you STILL can't grasp it so let me spell it out for you - just because it's called "Arab land" doesn't mean they own it ALL and nobody else can live there - you clearly know sweet FA about history
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Or....you're missing my point
I never mentioned Arab land or anything close to it. As an aside - not sure how you providing me with a loose definition of land ownership links to history knowledge though
posted on 26/7/14
Yeah I've got your point - it's on the top of your head
posted on 26/7/14
comment by ItsAboutTheBackFour (U9916)
posted 1 second ago
Yeah I've got your point - it's on the top of your head
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ok mate
posted on 26/7/14
They wouldn't label people terrorist if they weren't carrying out attacks of Israelis citizens. It's not fun just labelling people terrorists. It's not until recently that they accepted that Israel aren't going away and therefore need a state.
....................................................
Nelson Mandela was a terrorist...
it isn't ideal, but neither is any military action... if you need to resist and fight unfairness, as the Palestinians and Black South Africans needed to then it is perfectly acceptable...
Not his entire worldview but in some ways Mandela is one of my few political heroes, the world needs more terrorists like Mandela!
posted on 26/7/14
I'm not your mate - I don't have pointy-headed mates
posted on 26/7/14
comment by ItsAboutTheBackFour (U9916)
posted 2 minutes ago
I'm not your mate - I don't have pointy-headed mates
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not that you see anyway
posted on 26/7/14
comment by SAF_The_Legend 20 times #SupportMoyes (previously 7_The_Arab) (U5768)
posted 42 seconds ago
They wouldn't label people terrorist if they weren't carrying out attacks of Israelis citizens. It's not fun just labelling people terrorists. It's not until recently that they accepted that Israel aren't going away and therefore need a state.
....................................................
Nelson Mandela was a terrorist...
it isn't ideal, but neither is any military action... if you need to resist and fight unfairness, as the Palestinians and Black South Africans needed to then it is perfectly acceptable...
Not his entire worldview but in some ways Mandela is one of my few political heroes, the world needs more terrorists like Mandela!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
South Africans didn't get their wish by fighting and killing every innocent white in SA. They'd never have succeeded if they didn't stop the violence. They forgot the past and accepted the whites as part of their own and made peace.
If Hamas don't do something similar I can't see any peace in the region. If the people want Israel wiped out then..
posted on 26/7/14
Not that you see anyway
======================
Well I wouldn't would I, you're clearly living in a parallel universe with lots of phantom points
posted on 26/7/14
i totally agree the resolution handling for the two areas should be carbon copied where possible. Was a little about your summation of the Irish cause though
.................................................................
Yeah it was very badly worded and I know the Irish had been terribly mistreated through English/British and had every right to seek independence!
..........................................
Because it was a preconceived idea to wipe the whole people out and nothing to do with diplomacy? You can't really compare two things that are totally nothing alike..
..........................................
Many of the Jews of the Warsaw Ghetto did not know this for sure, they were slowly being herded into a smaller and more crowded place and the poverty and disease was killing them.
Much like the Palestinians they chose to fight back, they chose to become terrorists and I would have happily died alongside those guys
But out of interest.... if the Jews were not being sent off to be killed should they have accepted the conditions in the Warsaw Ghetto and not have fought back?
Although its not publically stated will there be any Palestinians left if the Israeli's continue? there will be barely any land called Palestine for Palestinians to be born in!
posted on 26/7/14
comment by {honestlivpool~five~times} 👽 🐎 (U1661)
posted 8 minutes ago
Cinciwolf, there was an agreement for a two state solution back in 1993, why did right wing Israeli settlers oppose this plan and assassinate their president?
=================================
You are acting as if Israel are the only country to have right wing political views. Unfortunately they succeeded in disrupting a peace process.
---------
I wasn't asking about other countries with a right wing element, this right wing element derailed a peace process and assassinated their president. The question is why?
I asked, admittedly didn't direct it to you, but instead of answering you pointed to other countries having right wing elements... Which is a very poor argument. Again, why did right wing Israeli settlers oppose this plan and assassinate their president?
And who voted in Ayelet Shaked?
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/why-im-on-the-brink-of-burning-my-israeli-passport-9600165.html
posted on 26/7/14
South Africans didn't get their wish by fighting and killing every innocent white in SA. They'd never have succeeded if they didn't stop the violence. They forgot the past and accepted the whites as part of their own and made peace.
------------
A small percentage of the events, international pressure and boycotts isolated racist South Africa and speeded things up.
This is what will happen, and is happening with increasing observation now.
posted on 26/7/14
South Africans didn't get their wish by fighting and killing every innocent white in SA. They'd never have succeeded if they didn't stop the violence. They forgot the past and accepted the whites as part of their own and made peace.
If Hamas don't do something similar I can't see any peace in the region. If the people want Israel wiped out then..
..........................................
It was the violence and international pressure that eventually told in South Africa.... unfortunately for the Palestinians the international pressure on Israel is practically non-existent in comparison to the international pressure on SA.
posted on 26/7/14
comment by ItsAboutTheBackFour (U9916)
posted 43 seconds ago
Not that you see anyway
======================
Well I wouldn't would I, you're clearly living in a parallel universe with lots of phantom points
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It was too cryptic perhaps
Right I'm off. Really interesting debate this one. Liked hearing Cinci's side of it albeit he didn't sway me.
Free Palestine.
Wish them all the strength and support to somehow rid themselves of their captors.
Here's to an Israeli free zone.
Night all
posted on 26/7/14
comment by SAF_The_Legend 20 times #SupportMoyes (previously 7_The_Arab) (U5768)
posted 8 seconds ago
i totally agree the resolution handling for the two areas should be carbon copied where possible. Was a little about your summation of the Irish cause though
.................................................................
Yeah it was very badly worded and I know the Irish had been terribly mistreated through English/British and had every right to seek independence!
..........................................
Because it was a preconceived idea to wipe the whole people out and nothing to do with diplomacy? You can't really compare two things that are totally nothing alike..
..........................................
Many of the Jews of the Warsaw Ghetto did not know this for sure, they were slowly being herded into a smaller and more crowded place and the poverty and disease was killing them.
Much like the Palestinians they chose to fight back, they chose to become terrorists and I would have happily died alongside those guys
But out of interest.... if the Jews were not being sent off to be killed should they have accepted the conditions in the Warsaw Ghetto and not have fought back?
Although its not publically stated will there be any Palestinians left if the Israeli's continue? there will be barely any land called Palestine for Palestinians to be born in!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is nonsense..
The Jews were killed because they were born Jewish.
Palestinian blockade was introduced after series of suicide bombings and attacks by Hamas on Israeli citizens.
Comparing both is absurd..
What next? Compare prisons to slavery?
posted on 26/7/14
why did right wing Israeli settlers oppose this plan and assassinate their president?
And who voted in Ayelet Shaked?
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/why-im-on-the-brink-of-burning-my-israeli-passport-9600165.html
posted on 26/7/14
"It was too cryptic perhaps "
=======================
Yeah, I've heard that before from people who have no comeback to something they find uncomfortable
posted on 26/7/14
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by {honestlivpool~five~times} 👽 🐎 (U1661)
posted 8 minutes ago
Cinciwolf, there was an agreement for a two state solution back in 1993, why did right wing Israeli settlers oppose this plan and assassinate their president?
=================================
You are acting as if Israel are the only country to have right wing political views. Unfortunately they succeeded in disrupting a peace process.
---------
I wasn't asking about other countries with a right wing element, this right wing element derailed a peace process and assassinated their president. The question is why?
I asked, admittedly didn't direct it to you, but instead of answering you pointed to other countries having right wing elements... Which is a very poor argument. Again, why did right wing Israeli settlers oppose this plan and assassinate their president?
And who voted in Ayelet Shaked?
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/why-im-on-the-brink-of-burning-my-israeli-passport-9600165.html
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm shocked you're actually asking why the (extreme) right wing derailed the peace process. They're usually a minority are usually kind of racist. Heard of tea party in America that want Mexicans deported?
It's very unfortunate that they managed to succeed. And No I don't read the deceitful British newspapers
posted on 26/7/14
Yeah? Well stop making strangers uncomfortable then you absolute weirdo
Night precious
posted on 26/7/14
Again you didn't answer why..
Why.. why did the right wing Israelis feel they had to disrupt the peace process, why did they think that was a good idea, and kill their own president?
Never mind which nations papers, you didn't answer again, who voted in Ayelet Shaked?
posted on 26/7/14
oOg(Ö_önzOo²©®™ (U1023)
Brilliant post mate
posted on 26/7/14
Heard of tea party in America that want Mexicans deported?
-----
Again... pointing to things that have nothing to do with the conflict we're discussing.
posted on 26/7/14
This is nonsense..
The Jews were killed because they were born Jewish.
....................................................
The Palestinians are being killed because they were not born Jewish....
Although is it okay because they label it all collateral damage?
.....................................
Palestinian blockade was introduced after series of suicide bombings and attacks by Hamas on Israeli citizens.
....................................
Ahh right everyone was living peacefully and happy until the Palestinians started suicide bombings?
The Israelis had already taken most of their land, they were already living in a state of poverty, the Israelis owned a much larger share of the important natural resources (economics one and basic survival ones like water)
Do you really think Palestinians were blowing themselves up because they just don't like Jews...
Hell maybe the Black South Africans just fought the Whites because they were racist...
I am not sure why you are mentioning Hamas and the blockade though... the terrorism started long before that....
If i remember rightly it was the Jews who introduced terrorism to the region when they drove the British out of the region via bombings and assassinations and various other terrorist methods... (well to that area in the modern day anyway)
posted on 26/7/14
"Yeah? Well stop making strangers uncomfortable then you absolute weirdo "
=======================
I guess that truth really hurt didn't it
posted on 26/7/14
I asked, admittedly didn't direct it to you, but instead of answering you pointed to other countries having right wing elements... Which is a very poor argument. Again, why did right wing Israeli settlers oppose this plan and assassinate their president?
And who voted in Ayelet Shaked?
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/why-im-on-the-brink-of-burning-my-israeli-passport-9600165.html
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm shocked you're actually asking why the (extreme) right wing derailed the peace process. They're usually a minority are usually kind of racist. Heard of tea party in America that want Mexicans deported?
It's very unfortunate that they managed to succeed. And No I don't read the deceitful British newspapers
-------------
That answer ^ {honestlivpool~five~times} 👽 🐎 (U1661)
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