Does sum =ppl who disagree with u?

Good post.

The way some people talk to you on here, I'm surprised you still post anything.

I agree with you on the new signings, not sure we'll have enough to do anything unless we get some pace and width in there and at least one new (decent) centre back.

I very rarely delete posts.

Have no problem with people sharing opinions different from mine, but not people trying to start arguments.

Harrogate, my gut feel has always been that these are cheap replacements designed to lower wages and stick with what Cellino knows.

We won't really know how good they are till we see them in the league but at least we finally saw an improvement in performances.

I've felt striker is essential, but Matty made good point the other day re CB's i.e. we have no cover for them at all whilst we do have some striking options.

Really hope we striker and CB positions beefed up with a couple of quality players soon.

That's a lot of words to say nothing different from what you have been saying over and over and over. Mixed with plenty of fabrication, assumption and well-veiled spite.

The next rent for ER is due November, at which point the rent goes up by its agreed amount, so Cellino is setting the ball rolling to buy it back. It will take a while to dot the i's and cross the t's. Not difficult to understand.

£125k per day? £45.6m per year? That's suddenly gone up. Please check your sources and work out if it is the reality. And if your source is Cellino, suggest you assume the amount he stated was an exaggeration just to prove a point about living within your means.

Can't you just support your team? It's clear you know little about the game, so just back them for the moment, and let's see if the guy is hobbling us or some kind of new messiah.

Likely he is somewhere in-between, probably middle-ish, providing us with some fun and interesting times without causing any major problems

Nice article Jonty, If we can get Sorenson, Delort, Benedicic & Adryan, although ive not see them play (we've heard good reviews of them) then i think we can at least be positive/optimistic about our position on the field!

Off the field, the purchase of ER cannot be a bad thing for the future of the club can it? Regardless of how its funded. Im not the most financially knowedgable person in the world but ER is an very important place for any Leeds fan, and to have it back as our asset, our ground surely cannot be a bad thing?!

Silvestri

Byram Sorenson Pearce Berardi

Doukara Murphy Benadicic Bianchi Adryan

Delort

Is that a decent side? Who knows, but im excited for my trip down to the Den saturday to find out

£125k per day? £45.6m per year? That's suddenly gone up. Please check your sources and work out if it is the reality. And if your source is Cellino, suggest you assume the amount he stated was an exaggeration just to prove a point about living within your means.
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125k was Cellino's figure, but you're saying it's ok and we shouldn't use it because he exaggerates.

Jud, I have no idea which players are coming in, I think the Viviani situation shows us that we just have wait until its officially announced on club website to be sure.

Re ER, its really about the finances. It might cost us more to borrow the money to buy it than it costs at present for example. Not saying it will, but we've seen all sorts of mechanisms that have costs the club i.e. ST mortgage, preference share options etc.

Unless there is clarity, we won't have any idea for a couple of years how it was done until accounts come out, just like everyone thought GFH were doing a great job, until they saw the accounts.

I personally think a bit more transparency from the club could go a long way.

I personally think a bit more transparency from the club could go a long way.
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yeah it wouldnt hurt, and i know its hard to trust any owner of Leeds, current or former but i honestly think he wants what is best for Leeds United. And its been a long long time since thats been the case.

BTW Long, here is the 125k per day:

http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/leeds-united/latest-whites-news/leeds-united-the-town-has-a-new-sheriff-says-cellino-1-6736431

Nothing fabricated.

comment by Jonty (U4614)
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£125k per day? £45.6m per year? That's suddenly gone up. Please check your sources and work out if it is the reality. And if your source is Cellino, suggest you assume the amount he stated was an exaggeration just to prove a point about living within your means.
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125k was Cellino's figure, but you're saying it's ok and we shouldn't use it because he exaggerates.


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Can you produce your source article or statement?

I can't find it on the internet through a google search. Lots of rumours about £1m per month, but nowhere near £1m per week

Just like to point out that article states we were losing £70,000 a day, not £125,000 a day

Jud, I think any owner wants what's best for himself/herself.

If you have an owner who is a genuine fan as well, then maybe you have more chance of the clubs best interests being a higher priority.

Appreciate Cellino is learning the ropes in English football, but he has been in the game a number of years so it should be easier than for GFH for example, but would be good to see a Leeds based CEO/MD in place to ensure club doesn't tread water every time Cellino's away.

Faith, sorry, you're right, will amend!

But still 45mill to run the club is a MASSIVE change to anything we've heard about before.

So you have misread it. Thought so.

"he says Leeds were costing £125,000 a day to run"

the next line stated "of which £70,000 was essentially losses"

Both of which I see as exaggerations. Unless GFH added 50% to our costs over the previous few years (£30m running costs) and reduced our income from £30m to less than £20m.

It's not rocket science to work out that the figures don't add up, so I suggest you assume there are large dollops of exaggeration.

Long I hadn't misread anything, I just typed in the wrong figure in my article which I've now corrected after Faith pointed it out.

If you want to debate, great, if you just want to argue, please just go elsewhere.

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Jonty, u are coming across as very touchy. You wanted debate, a debate over your article no?! So when someone reads your article, finds an inconsistency, tally's that error with the nature of the author, and then rightly so has reservations on the integrity of the piece u threaten them with post deletion?!

Come on now. His points were wholly valid.

Good read as always (though I don't always agree or comment)

I have no idea on the finances and I don't think anyone except the man himself does. Theres obviously been some restructuring of finances - From position A to Position B. What those are only MC needs to know. At the moment he owns the club and its his neck on the line if it goes wrong, we get to watch and hope it doesn't as few of us have the wealth to do anything about it.

I do though believe that when eventually he does sell up it will be a lot more straight forward than any of our previous sales.

As for the new players I have no idea how good they'll be in the Championship I'm going to hope Salerno is as good as his reputation says he is at finding them.

I seem to recall that MC wants to find ambitious up and coming English players, but said he may have to wait until next season for that as immediate needs would force him to use the market he and Salerno already know. Perhaps by the January window the policy will change to the English model for signings.

As for the management set up, its not worked in this country yet apparently, but has anyone ever owned a club that actually understood how to do it? I think MC may be the first given time to bed it in. It may cost a few jobs on the way in terms of coaches. It may go wrong and we may be staring at League one for a season but equally it may go well and MC may meet his two year target. I have a feeling if it works out ok it will take 3 years from now to build a good team capable of surviving in the top.

Overall I'll give MC the benefit of the doubt for now.

debate was going fine. If I've made a mistake I rectify it and acknowledge it.

Have no problem with debating but this article isn't about trying to start petty arguments today.

I don't think the team as is, is a relegation squad. Not playoffs, but not relegation. More will come, and Cellino will be proven right again!

BL, in his rant on the phone to a Leeds fan, MC said the following:

"I thought from the beginning to bring Italian players, because I come from Italy and know very well Italian players, but it is wrong because I am in England. I have to get most possible English guys, or international players. Because Italian players, they are good players, but, you know , I’m Italian, they, they don’t speak English in Italy. They very hard from them go from Italy to Leeds. It’s always raining there. You know? It’s a different country. They have different meals. They have the risk to… to … to fail, you know, very easily.

So I change my mind. You need here good English players."

Someone has clearly advised MC on British coaches but not on British players and he now feels he doesn't know British players well enough.

I can completely understand that but it just goes to show that it's very hard to believe what he says as its liable to change, which is why I will believe things when I see them where MC is concerned.

michael, I think without a striker, there is certainly potential for relegation, however Cellino does have a track record of changing things and signing players if relegation looms, so I think he would do the same if we're in trouble this season.

Hopefully it won't get to that though, but striker desperately needed.

I'm all for sensible debate but that involves all parties rather than constant dismissal of other people's opinions simply because they differ.

The bit about ER for example, negotiations have to start somewhere because if you waited until the due date, you'd miss the deadline and then everyone would be up in arms.

Common sense but the fact that discussions are now taking place is used to snipe at Cellino pouring scorn on others', sensible in my opinion, thoughts that the rent was paid up until later this year.

I note you single out a couple of players regarding "performances" but isn't it the case that overall performances of the team have improved. If you want a well balanced debate, don't simply highlight a couple of points that suit the purpose. If nothing else, it dilutes your own argument.

The number of signings in before the start of the season is an ambition but why use it constantly to beat the heads of Leeds United. I suspect that there is every desire to bring new blood in but it has to be right in terms of cost and in terms of wages.

I'm not interested in learning every intimate bit of detail about Cellino's management of Leeds United. There are some obvious ways in which we'll determine how good or bad he is doing. The openly transparent GFH shared lots of information at the start and look what happened there.

As for last season, I also suggested that this was an under performing, over achieving team. I guess I was proved right too.

This season is all that matters now. We've seen improving performances over the last few weeks that should give encouragement to all. We've seen the opening of negotiations on the ground, again progress for those who have set this as the benchmark for Cellino's reign. Finances are getting better, no matter how that has been achieved, its the case and long may that continue.

The loss of the Scottish striker was a blow but I suspect it will have a more positive effect on the team moving forward.

We are in a better place with a better future ahead of us.

Win or lose in pre-season is not that important agreed, but from what I hear performances have been quite positive recently. This can only be a good thing. As I haven't seen the games myself and as it is preseason I will wait to judge how good the side are until I have seen for myself in competitive football.

But while performances are getting positive reviews I will get more optimistic.

None of us know how good or bad these new players are. None of us know if the massive culture change and appointment of Hockaday will change things for the better or worse.

And none of us know what is going on behind the scenes at Leeds United.

So to write us off at this stage could be the right thing to do but it could and hopefully will make whoever is doing so look very very silly!!!

I for one was not pleased Cellino got control of the club. And not much has really happened to change any of my concerns.

I fear we will never have the much needed stability under Cellino. That he will not spend on players where required. And he will not have the fans interests at heart.

There are a lot of Cellino fans in here, but I cannot see how any of them will be able to show me that those concerns have been proved wrong.

I know it is early days, and excuses can be made, so too early to say whether I am right or wrong. But I am still staying in the worried camp.

If performances keep improving and it turns out this plan is a great success then I will be delighted!!! It is not impossible by any means either!!!

The issue is finances, Buying Elland Road is highly likely to be beneficial to the club. More than likely to be very good for the club. Whether it is the best thing for the club (rather than spending on transfers) I'm not so sure. But it is still a positive step.

I am not concerned so much about what Cellino has said, or how many signings we will make, or when Elland Rd will be purchased. Things change, not everything can be predicted. And not everything goes to plan. That's the same in any business. And to persecute him every time he says something and it doesn't happen is hardly going to encourage him to be more transparent which the same people are demanding at the same time is it!

Lets be honest, for how much we all really know about whats happening right now we could get relegated, we could challenge for the play-offs. So I think all this boring repeating of the same information and accusation and defending Cellino is a waste of time.