Well let's see.
I have been a big fan of Nintendo going software only as the Wii U has so little interest and so few games. OK this is a general problem across all the next gen consoles but the Wii had a big head start and has maybe a handful of exceptional games, it also lacks the horse power for good 3rd party games. IMO ninty have 2 options make a proper next gen console - which there are some rumors suggesting this is already in the pipe work, or shift to a software/hand held company, but it is very important they remain independent as we can't afford to loose the ips.
Sony won't change, their console/software division as they are one of the few that make money in the company. I will be honest Sony are probably the most secure console manufacturer atm.
Also after the PlayStation and the fallout I couldn't imagine Sony and Nintendo working together, a good possible merger for all companies I believe would be Nintendo and Sega.
What does the future hold? Well I do believe that the game console is a dying breed, not for maybe another couple of gens but as more things become more powerful (TVs, mini/micro devices, phones etc) the need of having another speciality thing will diminish. The spirit of the console won't die but in say 20 years we will no longer have little black boxes in the living room.
Nintendo ruined it for themselves, the wii was aimed at families and while the consoles sold well families don't buy that many games. I would of bought a wii or the new one if most of the games weren't aimed at 12 year olds. Dont feel sorry for them some bit.
Whilst the Wii U is pretty underpowered compared to the PS4 & Xbone, that shouldn't preclude it from having decent games. The PS1 & PS2 managed to have some amazing games. There just seems to be a total lack of innovation, other than "make it shinier".
So the company that gave us the first major motion controllers and the DS/3DS lack innovation tut tut.
Nintendo would be fine if they scrapped the console and stuck with handheld gaming. None of the other companies come close to touching them with that (and am I right in thinking that the DS is one of the best selling consoles (handheld and standalone) of all time???
Other than that, I pretty much agree with Simon. Consoles might be on their way out sooner rather than later, especially with the flooding of tablet games and such.
I wish Sega would come back with a system
The DS is 10 years old and the Wii is 8 years old. Not exactly a great example of current innovation. The 3DS was just hopping on the 3D bandwagon.
But my point was more directed towards the games. Everything's a sequel or just a copy of something else. At least when it comes to the AAA titles.
And the PS4 is a souped up version of the PS3 etc. I'm not really sure we see much innovation in any games machines anymore.
I think Nintendo's biggest mistake was not having better quality control over some of the games (although the wii's still one of the highest selling consoles so what do we know )
It also doesn't help that it is primarily aimed at kids/familys and by the time they tried to bring out some more mature games it was already stigmatized. (Oh and the fact that waggling a joystick can get old really really quick, sometimes you just wanna sit down and play.)
comment by derbymanc8 (U18914)
posted 2 hours, 17 minutes ago
And the PS4 is a souped up version of the PS3 etc. I'm not really sure we see much innovation in any games machines anymore.
I think Nintendo's biggest mistake was not having better quality control over some of the games (although the wii's still one of the highest selling consoles so what do we know)
It also doesn't help that it is primarily aimed at kids/familys and by the time they tried to bring out some more mature games it was already stigmatized. (Oh and the fact that waggling a joystick can get old really really quick, sometimes you just wanna sit down and play.)
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Never has a truer thing been said, dont get me wrong one of the best gaming experiences I had was playing tiger woods on the Wii, only bettered by actually playing for real but feck me it was hard work
Other than that, I pretty much agree with Simon. Consoles might be on their way out sooner rather than later, especially with the flooding of tablet games and such.
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I'm not too sure, there will always be people that would prefer to play games on consoles. The most popular games on consoles are fps and 3rd person and there will always be a market for them. I doubt you can play fps or even 3rd person games online effectively on a tablet. I mean, can a game like GTA run on a tablet, unlikely, and then there is the controller issue. Casual gamers will play on tablet but hardcore gamers will always choose console...or PC.
This has basically been the downfall of the Wii U. The Wii was very popular amongst casual gamers, hence it why it sold so well, but they have moved on to tablets for 'casual' games. Nintendo seemed to have turned a blind eye on that. They developed their own tablet console hybrid, but it just wasn't enough to convince the casual crowed to buy their console. The price didn't help either. Why buy a console/tablet that just plays games, when you could buy a tablet that does hundred of other things as well as play games for half the price.
That's what Sony did with the PS2 back in the days, plays DVDs and video games. Put the final nail in the coffin to Dreamcast and Sega along the way.
You realise that Nintendo are already "in the black" with regards to the wii u right? And that's before the release of major upcoming games (new starfox, zelda, mario galaxy, possible method) its by no means wii style success, but it's successful none the less, IGN recently re-makes this generation and puts wii u as the top console to own, recent games have been fantastic (some should have been launch games) and there's a lot more good games in the pipeline. Toads treasure tracker, yoshi woolley world as well as earlier mentions
It's amazing it's branded a flop despite having sold a mere 500k less than the xbox.
It's also got more exclusive games than any other console, dispelling the "no games" myth, ps4 has just 4 and the best games being released now are still ports (TLoU, GTA, DA:I) the only exclusive they have worth a damn is little big planet 3, a game marketed to attract Nintendos usual playerbase.
There's not a single Xbone game thats not available on the pc or ps4 it's a bit of a lost cause. If any console has flopped it's this one.
The wii u is definitely a grower, but it also has more variety in its games, the vast majority of next gem best sellers on the other consoles are fps. There was even a recent analysis where all the games on them could be fit into just four categories. The wii u e-shop has a plethora of indie games, and they take advantage of the tablet brilliantly, as do some third party games (which people say the wii u doesn't have, and the PlayStation CEO says Sony make no money off) such as zombie u, which while ridiculously named is a cracking 3rd part game, bayonetta too.
It's also great having a map on there in ac3 compared to the xbox version, there is innovation in this generation again, Sony even changed their controller tp add a useless touchscreen and instead tacked the technology on to their phones.
The kiddy accusation is well off too, personally I see a maturity in the ability to enjoy a game without needing violence or over the top gore for "realism" to me, it's akin to when I was a child and me and my mates used to sneak on to cinema showings for age rated films we shouldn't have, because it made us feel older, or watching 18 rated films at home because we knew we shouldn't
Wii u is going from strength to strength, stupidly had it launched with even one or two of its recent successes we could be looking at a very different games market, I.e. Mario kart 8, mario 3d world, Hyrule warriors (amazing game), smash bros, bayonetta.
Even outside of those newer games are some cracking titles, Zombiiu criminally underrated, Lego city undercover is a great sandbox game, super mario bros wii u is a good traditional mario, monster hunter 3 ultimate is another brilliant 3rd party game..
People who overlook the console (especially at current price) really do sell themselves short, because Nintendo are the only ones these days who make FUN games, you can barely distinguished the other two consoles, and their plethora of first person shooters.
But certainly calling it a flop, when they are the only one of the three companies turning a profit on this gen so far, with a clear succession of potentially great games coming out. I think Nintendo will be just fine
The only Nintendo console I've ever owned is a GameBoy Color (and the only game I had was Pokémon Blue), so I can't claim to be an expert on Nintendo, but one thing the Wii U has that elevates it far above the PS4/Xbone is free internet.
Well done Nintendo for not trying to gouge the consumer for what should obviously be a free service. Really poor to expect someone to pay for the price of the console, price of the game and then still have the cheek to ask for more money to use your own internet subscription.
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 6 hours, 20 minutes ago
You realise that Nintendo are already "in the black" with regards to the wii u right? And that's before the release of major upcoming games (new starfox, zelda, mario galaxy, possible method) its by no means wii style success, but it's successful none the less, IGN recently re-makes this generation and puts wii u as the top console to own, recent games have been fantastic (some should have been launch games) and there's a lot more good games in the pipeline. Toads treasure tracker, yoshi woolley world as well as earlier mentions
It's amazing it's branded a flop despite having sold a mere 500k less than the xbox.
It's also got more exclusive games than any other console, dispelling the "no games" myth, ps4 has just 4 and the best games being released now are still ports (TLoU, GTA, DA:I) the only exclusive they have worth a damn is little big planet 3, a game marketed to attract Nintendos usual playerbase.
There's not a single Xbone game thats not available on the pc or ps4 it's a bit of a lost cause. If any console has flopped it's this one.
The wii u is definitely a grower, but it also has more variety in its games, the vast majority of next gem best sellers on the other consoles are fps. There was even a recent analysis where all the games on them could be fit into just four categories. The wii u e-shop has a plethora of indie games, and they take advantage of the tablet brilliantly, as do some third party games (which people say the wii u doesn't have, and the PlayStation CEO says Sony make no money off) such as zombie u, which while ridiculously named is a cracking 3rd part game, bayonetta too.
It's also great having a map on there in ac3 compared to the xbox version, there is innovation in this generation again, Sony even changed their controller tp add a useless touchscreen and instead tacked the technology on to their phones.
The kiddy accusation is well off too, personally I see a maturity in the ability to enjoy a game without needing violence or over the top gore for "realism" to me, it's akin to when I was a child and me and my mates used to sneak on to cinema showings for age rated films we shouldn't have, because it made us feel older, or watching 18 rated films at home because we knew we shouldn't
Wii u is going from strength to strength, stupidly had it launched with even one or two of its recent successes we could be looking at a very different games market, I.e. Mario kart 8, mario 3d world, Hyrule warriors (amazing game), smash bros, bayonetta.
Even outside of those newer games are some cracking titles, Zombiiu criminally underrated, Lego city undercover is a great sandbox game, super mario bros wii u is a good traditional mario, monster hunter 3 ultimate is another brilliant 3rd party game..
People who overlook the console (especially at current price) really do sell themselves short, because Nintendo are the only ones these days who make FUN games, you can barely distinguished the other two consoles, and their plethora of first person shooters.
But certainly calling it a flop, when they are the only one of the three companies turning a profit on this gen so far, with a clear succession of potentially great games coming out. I think Nintendo will be just fine
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Agree RtM - you just gotta wonder where to start on a post like this, well i suppose at the beginning:
You realise that Nintendo are already "in the black" with regards to the wii u right? And that's before the release of major upcoming games (new starfox, zelda, mario galaxy, possible method) its by no means wii style success, but it's successful none the less, IGN recently re-makes this generation and puts wii u as the top console to own, recent games have been fantastic (some should have been launch games) and there's a lot more good games in the pipeline. Toads treasure tracker, yoshi woolley world as well as earlier mentions
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Nope Nintendo are operating at a loss though increased sales in the Wii U over the last quarter has helped. Sonys losses are none console related and the console sales have in fact increased the overall profitability of the company, with Sony looking to move more of its production towards the PS4.
On the M$ front we have the following quote:
"Microsoft has reported profits of around $5.66 billion for the third quarter of its fiscal year 2014, ended March 31. Revenues in the quarter were roughly $20.40 billion, during which the firm sold 2 million Xbox consoles total, with Xbox One accounting for 1.2 million."
So your whole Wii U only one making a profit is BS.
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It's amazing it's branded a flop despite having sold a mere 500k less than the xbox.
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Try 3 million less...........and about half the PS4 sales. And this with having an extra year
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It's also got more exclusive games than any other console, dispelling the "no games" myth, ps4 has just 4 and the best games being released now are still ports (TLoU, GTA, DA:I) the only exclusive they have worth a damn is little big planet 3, a game marketed to attract Nintendos usual playerbase.
There's not a single Xbone game thats not available on the pc or ps4 it's a bit of a lost cause. If any console has flopped it's this one.
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Ill give you half a point here, yes agreed Ninty have the better exculsives......atm, but as i have said before no 3rd party support means the Wii U misses out on ALOT of excellent games, then to add further insult to injury, Nintendo in general take longer to get sequels out. Ok you have more than likely the one zelda game that will be released on this system, in that time M$ will release prob 3 Halo games, a couple of Gears games and at least 2 Forzas, plus the half a dozen new exclusives will come to fruition.
Please dont get me wrong i understand that the old exclusives are generally excellent on the Nintendo platform but Nintendo take an age to release the new games
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The wii u is definitely a grower, but it also has more variety in its games, the vast majority of next gem best sellers on the other consoles are fps. There was even a recent analysis where all the games on them could be fit into just four categories. The wii u e-shop has a plethora of indie games, and they take advantage of the tablet brilliantly, as do some third party games (which people say the wii u doesn't have, and the PlayStation CEO says Sony make no money off) such as zombie u, which while ridiculously named is a cracking 3rd part game, bayonetta too.
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Ok best selling games on PS4/Xbone. GTA5 and TLOU. What variety are you talking about exactly on the Wii U? Mario - a platformer? Bayonetta a 3rd person hack n slash?? Donkey Kong.........oh hold on thats a platform........... I am sorry but you seem to be talking even more rubbish, yes some bigger sellers are FPS but so are the sport sims, drivers, action rts's, 3rd person adventure games, the platform games as well as the excellent indie markets found on both the Sony and M$ platforms.
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It's also great having a map on there in ac3 compared to the xbox version, there is innovation in this generation again, Sony even changed their controller tp add a useless touchscreen and instead tacked the technology on to their phones.
The kiddy accusation is well off too, personally I see a maturity in the ability to enjoy a game without needing violence or over the top gore for "realism" to me, it's akin to when I was a child and me and my mates used to sneak on to cinema showings for age rated films we shouldn't have, because it made us feel older, or watching 18 rated films at home because we knew we shouldn't
Wii u is going from strength to strength, stupidly had it launched with even one or two of its recent successes we could be looking at a very different games market, I.e. Mario kart 8, mario 3d world, Hyrule warriors (amazing game), smash bros, bayonetta.
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No its not:
Black Friday sales showed the following:
Xbone = 53%
PS4 = 31%
360 = 9%
Wii U = 6%
That doesnt show growing from strength to strength, that shows falling further behind, with big games occasionally seeing sales pick up.
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Even outside of those newer games are some cracking titles, Zombiiu criminally underrated, Lego city undercover is a great sandbox game, super mario bros wii u is a good traditional mario, monster hunter 3 ultimate is another brilliant 3rd party game..
People who overlook the console (especially at current price) really do sell themselves short, because Nintendo are the only ones these days who make FUN games, you can barely distinguished the other two consoles, and their plethora of first person shooters.
But certainly calling it a flop, when they are the only one of the three companies turning a profit on this gen so far, with a clear succession of potentially great games coming out. I think Nintendo will be just fine
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Simon....I don't know how you found the energy.
Your really going to throw the term fanboy around?
Please guys don't undermine your credibility, it's phrases like that which cause the stereotypical idea of a gamer as a pale acne ridden nerd, all I have done is refute your ascertation that Nintendo might need to off their console line.
First off my comments about being "in the black" is that profits from the sale of consoles accessories and games have net a profit equal to the the r and d costs of the consoles. Nintendo are the only ones to have done this, ps4 should easily break theirs too, considering how much they outsell the other platforms.
All Nintendo need are a profit on each gen, and they won't go out of business, this isn't Sega, where they had successive consoles destroyed by the nes/SNES/ps one, the gamecube scraped a profit, the wii I believe is now the most successful console financially, and the wii u has turned a profit relatively early, and without many of its big hitters. The "flop" label was dropped long ago, with the release of mario kart.
Sure Nintendo has its problems, lack of console bundles hamper sales
As for lack of third party support, it's not pandering to those companies that allows their r and d to be carried out at a substantially reduced cost to the other platforms, does it lose me choice of games on the wii u, yes, but who has just one console these days??
As I stated in the last post, Sony have said they make no money from 3rd party games, and part of that it's because the cost of producing a console with such an open architecture is prohibitive.
The black Friday sales are misleading, the xbox price was HALVED for one day, and console bundles were netting a bigger saving than they cost, it was a desperate attempt to shift boxes, so they can sell future games
As for refuting the sold boxes figures, they were taken from vgchartz yesterday. The figures are the same today, although don't include black Friday sales.
They are also, I agree, slow to release games, zelda being a prime example, but the long lead in time for these games are what makes them great, the games are a lot more polished, in depth and captivating than constant remakes of a fps IP. halo lost its charm after 3, (and 2 as a game was poor) because suddenly it became a cash cow and saturated the market, Its also available on the PC, negating any exclusivity to the xbox, the pc versions are always invariably better too, not least because it can be patched/updated easier. Zelda had two games on the last console, sadly I only expect one this time around, although the remastered wind waker is different enough, and it's been long enough (it's not like it was released last year, it's been 10...). To enjoy as a separate game.
Overall though a question was asked, what's next for Nintendo, and the answer is: business as usual, they have made another profitable console, that still has major games to deliver,
As for strength to strength wii u had more games in IGN (generally a pro Sony site) top games of last year, than the other consoles, it also has more in the most anticipated games of next year, and itches recently been re-arranged by them, from the worst console of the generation to the best.
As much as buyers of other consoles might wish Nintendo to flop. So they can get the great titles on other consoles, it simply won't happen, so I really would recommend picking up a 200 quid bundle with Mario kart and 3d world, and also checking out Nintendoland, which is a fun title, Zombiiu which costs about a tenner now, but is as good a zombie survival game as you will play, as well as many other good titles
The games are generally a little cheaper too (averages about £10 less at release, I'll buy wiiu games at close to release, ps4 games I wait untill they drop by about half before I purchase them.
I absolutely detest the term fanboy and cannot understand why people berate others for their choice in console.
I'd be tempted to get a Wii U but only in the future when the price has dropped a lot (in perspective I got a gamecube 4 years ago and hoovered up the mario/zelda games with it for 50 quid
Nintendo now really cater to the casual gamer and need to do something to change that, first thing would be to start offering people the choice to sit down and play games (ala mario kart with the controller)
Yeah fanboy is bottom of the barell Internet bilge
Well, the new controller does that, despite its initial appearance it's actually a really nice controller to use, it's comfortable, all buttons in easy reach, is incredibly light for its size and contents and fits really nicely in my (admittedly large) hands.
you also have the choice of the "pro" controllers, which are more mainstream.
I'm yet to meet anyone who uses the main tablet controller and after a short period of use doesn't like it, it is of course influenced by how the games use it too of course, but the screen adds a lot of nifty features in games, even of Nintendo haven't yet utilised it properly themselves. Third party games Zombiiu, mass effect 3, assassins creed, do make good use of it.
The wind waker hd is much more streamlined with the new controller, seeing as you can view all the maps, inventory etc from the game pad, rather than the pause screen. It rocks for multilayer on games too, Hyrule warriors for instance has the controller screen used by player on. And the tv by player two.
Wii u is well worth £200 with a game now! Especially compared to the prices of the other consoles and their (currently at least) vastly inferior catalogue of triple aaa games. (and i refuse to count any games you can buy on the last gen)
http://techcrunch.com/2014/01/17/wii-u-not-selling/
Can we quit with the ridiculously long winded posts of ridiculously one sided opinions that causes you to come off as a fanboy that i jokingly used the first time?
comment by RtM (U1097)
posted 5 minutes ago
Can we quit with the ridiculously long winded posts of ridiculously one sided opinions that causes you to come off as a fanboy that i jokingly used the first time?
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<OK> beat me to making this exact point
I disagree that my opinions are one sided, as i said,i have more than one console, my preference (along with reviewers) is that the wii offers the best gaming experience so far in this generation.
I would say the one sided opinions only belong to those who resort to childish terms like "fanboy" because industry experts dont recognise their favourites as being worthwhile.
also your link is well out of date, january this year in fact, since then sales of the wii u have almost tripled.
the quoted number in the article being 2.8 million, the current total being 7.6million
in an earlier post i said, that the sales boom started with the release of its big hitters, Mario kart, Mario 3d world, Hyrule warriors, Wind waker HD and smash bros (whose figures are not in yet) it also has a few more upcoming releases
The other consoles are still only releasing last gen ports and 3rd party software, which is available on multiple platforms (including PC for the vast majority) as soon as they start releasing proper new gen games, im sure approval for the systems will shoot through the roof, i have a ps4, its fine, its just not got anything worthwhile yet, but it took the wii u a year for most of its best titles also
You should try staying more current
http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2015/01/02/nintendo-won-2014-but-the-wii-us-fundamental-problem-remains/
Interesting article, but it's just one man's narrow opinion.
He can't lable the gamepad a flop just because he hasn't played any of the games where it's used perfectly.
All features he suggests are implemented in games such as Zombiiu (ridiculous name, great game) and AC3. Among others, and with more titles coming, had he done some research or played some of the newer IP's he would know that article is redundant. We all know the gamepad won't work on high action games like smash and kart, it's only use in games where you can't drop your eyes for a second is as a supplementary screen. His criticism there is silly, the true criticism of the implementation on mario kart would be that if 1st player uses the gamepad as his screen, the split screen on the tv is not altered (give 2nd player full screen, or players 2/3 half screens, or indeed allow 5 players!!!!!
The fact he has only talked about playing the two major titles of the year undermines his argument, as does his statement that the only major title to come this year is zelda. Call of duty, fifa etc dident start as mainstream games, people bought them, they were remade and popularity grew, plenty of good games on the wiiu, already released and upcoming have that potential.
Also he makes the point that it's a supplemental system (not many people have it as their sole console, most will also have an xbox/ps) as a criticism and unfair to expect people to pay out for it. Which they don't expect anyone to do, it's a choice, and frankly if you can't afford a £200 console, why buy a £500 one!?! That seems fiscally irresponsible at best! Especially for forbes magazine.
Also, Nintendo themselves say they don't want to compete on power because it increases cost they want to win with gameplay (and they do) so it seems absurd to use the lack of power as a stick to beat them, they nailed their colours to wall from the off, they have not deceived anyone and in my opinion they are happy being the supplementary console and while it remains profitable to be so, they will continue
Regardless of the opinions of a forbes blogger, with serious holes in his argument
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posted on 29/11/14
Well let's see.
I have been a big fan of Nintendo going software only as the Wii U has so little interest and so few games. OK this is a general problem across all the next gen consoles but the Wii had a big head start and has maybe a handful of exceptional games, it also lacks the horse power for good 3rd party games. IMO ninty have 2 options make a proper next gen console - which there are some rumors suggesting this is already in the pipe work, or shift to a software/hand held company, but it is very important they remain independent as we can't afford to loose the ips.
Sony won't change, their console/software division as they are one of the few that make money in the company. I will be honest Sony are probably the most secure console manufacturer atm.
Also after the PlayStation and the fallout I couldn't imagine Sony and Nintendo working together, a good possible merger for all companies I believe would be Nintendo and Sega.
What does the future hold? Well I do believe that the game console is a dying breed, not for maybe another couple of gens but as more things become more powerful (TVs, mini/micro devices, phones etc) the need of having another speciality thing will diminish. The spirit of the console won't die but in say 20 years we will no longer have little black boxes in the living room.
posted on 29/11/14
Nintendo ruined it for themselves, the wii was aimed at families and while the consoles sold well families don't buy that many games. I would of bought a wii or the new one if most of the games weren't aimed at 12 year olds. Dont feel sorry for them some bit.
posted on 29/11/14
Whilst the Wii U is pretty underpowered compared to the PS4 & Xbone, that shouldn't preclude it from having decent games. The PS1 & PS2 managed to have some amazing games. There just seems to be a total lack of innovation, other than "make it shinier".
posted on 29/11/14
So the company that gave us the first major motion controllers and the DS/3DS lack innovation tut tut.
Nintendo would be fine if they scrapped the console and stuck with handheld gaming. None of the other companies come close to touching them with that (and am I right in thinking that the DS is one of the best selling consoles (handheld and standalone) of all time???
Other than that, I pretty much agree with Simon. Consoles might be on their way out sooner rather than later, especially with the flooding of tablet games and such.
posted on 29/11/14
I wish Sega would come back with a system
posted on 30/11/14
The DS is 10 years old and the Wii is 8 years old. Not exactly a great example of current innovation. The 3DS was just hopping on the 3D bandwagon.
But my point was more directed towards the games. Everything's a sequel or just a copy of something else. At least when it comes to the AAA titles.
posted on 30/11/14
And the PS4 is a souped up version of the PS3 etc. I'm not really sure we see much innovation in any games machines anymore.
I think Nintendo's biggest mistake was not having better quality control over some of the games (although the wii's still one of the highest selling consoles so what do we know )
It also doesn't help that it is primarily aimed at kids/familys and by the time they tried to bring out some more mature games it was already stigmatized. (Oh and the fact that waggling a joystick can get old really really quick, sometimes you just wanna sit down and play.)
posted on 30/11/14
comment by derbymanc8 (U18914)
posted 2 hours, 17 minutes ago
And the PS4 is a souped up version of the PS3 etc. I'm not really sure we see much innovation in any games machines anymore.
I think Nintendo's biggest mistake was not having better quality control over some of the games (although the wii's still one of the highest selling consoles so what do we know)
It also doesn't help that it is primarily aimed at kids/familys and by the time they tried to bring out some more mature games it was already stigmatized. (Oh and the fact that waggling a joystick can get old really really quick, sometimes you just wanna sit down and play.)
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Never has a truer thing been said, dont get me wrong one of the best gaming experiences I had was playing tiger woods on the Wii, only bettered by actually playing for real but feck me it was hard work
posted on 30/11/14
Other than that, I pretty much agree with Simon. Consoles might be on their way out sooner rather than later, especially with the flooding of tablet games and such.
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I'm not too sure, there will always be people that would prefer to play games on consoles. The most popular games on consoles are fps and 3rd person and there will always be a market for them. I doubt you can play fps or even 3rd person games online effectively on a tablet. I mean, can a game like GTA run on a tablet, unlikely, and then there is the controller issue. Casual gamers will play on tablet but hardcore gamers will always choose console...or PC.
This has basically been the downfall of the Wii U. The Wii was very popular amongst casual gamers, hence it why it sold so well, but they have moved on to tablets for 'casual' games. Nintendo seemed to have turned a blind eye on that. They developed their own tablet console hybrid, but it just wasn't enough to convince the casual crowed to buy their console. The price didn't help either. Why buy a console/tablet that just plays games, when you could buy a tablet that does hundred of other things as well as play games for half the price.
That's what Sony did with the PS2 back in the days, plays DVDs and video games. Put the final nail in the coffin to Dreamcast and Sega along the way.
posted on 1/12/14
You realise that Nintendo are already "in the black" with regards to the wii u right? And that's before the release of major upcoming games (new starfox, zelda, mario galaxy, possible method) its by no means wii style success, but it's successful none the less, IGN recently re-makes this generation and puts wii u as the top console to own, recent games have been fantastic (some should have been launch games) and there's a lot more good games in the pipeline. Toads treasure tracker, yoshi woolley world as well as earlier mentions
It's amazing it's branded a flop despite having sold a mere 500k less than the xbox.
It's also got more exclusive games than any other console, dispelling the "no games" myth, ps4 has just 4 and the best games being released now are still ports (TLoU, GTA, DA:I) the only exclusive they have worth a damn is little big planet 3, a game marketed to attract Nintendos usual playerbase.
There's not a single Xbone game thats not available on the pc or ps4 it's a bit of a lost cause. If any console has flopped it's this one.
The wii u is definitely a grower, but it also has more variety in its games, the vast majority of next gem best sellers on the other consoles are fps. There was even a recent analysis where all the games on them could be fit into just four categories. The wii u e-shop has a plethora of indie games, and they take advantage of the tablet brilliantly, as do some third party games (which people say the wii u doesn't have, and the PlayStation CEO says Sony make no money off) such as zombie u, which while ridiculously named is a cracking 3rd part game, bayonetta too.
It's also great having a map on there in ac3 compared to the xbox version, there is innovation in this generation again, Sony even changed their controller tp add a useless touchscreen and instead tacked the technology on to their phones.
The kiddy accusation is well off too, personally I see a maturity in the ability to enjoy a game without needing violence or over the top gore for "realism" to me, it's akin to when I was a child and me and my mates used to sneak on to cinema showings for age rated films we shouldn't have, because it made us feel older, or watching 18 rated films at home because we knew we shouldn't
Wii u is going from strength to strength, stupidly had it launched with even one or two of its recent successes we could be looking at a very different games market, I.e. Mario kart 8, mario 3d world, Hyrule warriors (amazing game), smash bros, bayonetta.
Even outside of those newer games are some cracking titles, Zombiiu criminally underrated, Lego city undercover is a great sandbox game, super mario bros wii u is a good traditional mario, monster hunter 3 ultimate is another brilliant 3rd party game..
People who overlook the console (especially at current price) really do sell themselves short, because Nintendo are the only ones these days who make FUN games, you can barely distinguished the other two consoles, and their plethora of first person shooters.
But certainly calling it a flop, when they are the only one of the three companies turning a profit on this gen so far, with a clear succession of potentially great games coming out. I think Nintendo will be just fine
posted on 1/12/14
The only Nintendo console I've ever owned is a GameBoy Color (and the only game I had was Pokémon Blue), so I can't claim to be an expert on Nintendo, but one thing the Wii U has that elevates it far above the PS4/Xbone is free internet.
Well done Nintendo for not trying to gouge the consumer for what should obviously be a free service. Really poor to expect someone to pay for the price of the console, price of the game and then still have the cheek to ask for more money to use your own internet subscription.
posted on 1/12/14
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 6 hours, 20 minutes ago
You realise that Nintendo are already "in the black" with regards to the wii u right? And that's before the release of major upcoming games (new starfox, zelda, mario galaxy, possible method) its by no means wii style success, but it's successful none the less, IGN recently re-makes this generation and puts wii u as the top console to own, recent games have been fantastic (some should have been launch games) and there's a lot more good games in the pipeline. Toads treasure tracker, yoshi woolley world as well as earlier mentions
It's amazing it's branded a flop despite having sold a mere 500k less than the xbox.
It's also got more exclusive games than any other console, dispelling the "no games" myth, ps4 has just 4 and the best games being released now are still ports (TLoU, GTA, DA:I) the only exclusive they have worth a damn is little big planet 3, a game marketed to attract Nintendos usual playerbase.
There's not a single Xbone game thats not available on the pc or ps4 it's a bit of a lost cause. If any console has flopped it's this one.
The wii u is definitely a grower, but it also has more variety in its games, the vast majority of next gem best sellers on the other consoles are fps. There was even a recent analysis where all the games on them could be fit into just four categories. The wii u e-shop has a plethora of indie games, and they take advantage of the tablet brilliantly, as do some third party games (which people say the wii u doesn't have, and the PlayStation CEO says Sony make no money off) such as zombie u, which while ridiculously named is a cracking 3rd part game, bayonetta too.
It's also great having a map on there in ac3 compared to the xbox version, there is innovation in this generation again, Sony even changed their controller tp add a useless touchscreen and instead tacked the technology on to their phones.
The kiddy accusation is well off too, personally I see a maturity in the ability to enjoy a game without needing violence or over the top gore for "realism" to me, it's akin to when I was a child and me and my mates used to sneak on to cinema showings for age rated films we shouldn't have, because it made us feel older, or watching 18 rated films at home because we knew we shouldn't
Wii u is going from strength to strength, stupidly had it launched with even one or two of its recent successes we could be looking at a very different games market, I.e. Mario kart 8, mario 3d world, Hyrule warriors (amazing game), smash bros, bayonetta.
Even outside of those newer games are some cracking titles, Zombiiu criminally underrated, Lego city undercover is a great sandbox game, super mario bros wii u is a good traditional mario, monster hunter 3 ultimate is another brilliant 3rd party game..
People who overlook the console (especially at current price) really do sell themselves short, because Nintendo are the only ones these days who make FUN games, you can barely distinguished the other two consoles, and their plethora of first person shooters.
But certainly calling it a flop, when they are the only one of the three companies turning a profit on this gen so far, with a clear succession of potentially great games coming out. I think Nintendo will be just fine
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Fanboi
posted on 2/12/14
Fanboi
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Agree RtM - you just gotta wonder where to start on a post like this, well i suppose at the beginning:
You realise that Nintendo are already "in the black" with regards to the wii u right? And that's before the release of major upcoming games (new starfox, zelda, mario galaxy, possible method) its by no means wii style success, but it's successful none the less, IGN recently re-makes this generation and puts wii u as the top console to own, recent games have been fantastic (some should have been launch games) and there's a lot more good games in the pipeline. Toads treasure tracker, yoshi woolley world as well as earlier mentions
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Nope Nintendo are operating at a loss though increased sales in the Wii U over the last quarter has helped. Sonys losses are none console related and the console sales have in fact increased the overall profitability of the company, with Sony looking to move more of its production towards the PS4.
On the M$ front we have the following quote:
"Microsoft has reported profits of around $5.66 billion for the third quarter of its fiscal year 2014, ended March 31. Revenues in the quarter were roughly $20.40 billion, during which the firm sold 2 million Xbox consoles total, with Xbox One accounting for 1.2 million."
So your whole Wii U only one making a profit is BS.
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It's amazing it's branded a flop despite having sold a mere 500k less than the xbox.
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Try 3 million less...........and about half the PS4 sales. And this with having an extra year
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It's also got more exclusive games than any other console, dispelling the "no games" myth, ps4 has just 4 and the best games being released now are still ports (TLoU, GTA, DA:I) the only exclusive they have worth a damn is little big planet 3, a game marketed to attract Nintendos usual playerbase.
There's not a single Xbone game thats not available on the pc or ps4 it's a bit of a lost cause. If any console has flopped it's this one.
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Ill give you half a point here, yes agreed Ninty have the better exculsives......atm, but as i have said before no 3rd party support means the Wii U misses out on ALOT of excellent games, then to add further insult to injury, Nintendo in general take longer to get sequels out. Ok you have more than likely the one zelda game that will be released on this system, in that time M$ will release prob 3 Halo games, a couple of Gears games and at least 2 Forzas, plus the half a dozen new exclusives will come to fruition.
Please dont get me wrong i understand that the old exclusives are generally excellent on the Nintendo platform but Nintendo take an age to release the new games
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The wii u is definitely a grower, but it also has more variety in its games, the vast majority of next gem best sellers on the other consoles are fps. There was even a recent analysis where all the games on them could be fit into just four categories. The wii u e-shop has a plethora of indie games, and they take advantage of the tablet brilliantly, as do some third party games (which people say the wii u doesn't have, and the PlayStation CEO says Sony make no money off) such as zombie u, which while ridiculously named is a cracking 3rd part game, bayonetta too.
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Ok best selling games on PS4/Xbone. GTA5 and TLOU. What variety are you talking about exactly on the Wii U? Mario - a platformer? Bayonetta a 3rd person hack n slash?? Donkey Kong.........oh hold on thats a platform........... I am sorry but you seem to be talking even more rubbish, yes some bigger sellers are FPS but so are the sport sims, drivers, action rts's, 3rd person adventure games, the platform games as well as the excellent indie markets found on both the Sony and M$ platforms.
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It's also great having a map on there in ac3 compared to the xbox version, there is innovation in this generation again, Sony even changed their controller tp add a useless touchscreen and instead tacked the technology on to their phones.
The kiddy accusation is well off too, personally I see a maturity in the ability to enjoy a game without needing violence or over the top gore for "realism" to me, it's akin to when I was a child and me and my mates used to sneak on to cinema showings for age rated films we shouldn't have, because it made us feel older, or watching 18 rated films at home because we knew we shouldn't
Wii u is going from strength to strength, stupidly had it launched with even one or two of its recent successes we could be looking at a very different games market, I.e. Mario kart 8, mario 3d world, Hyrule warriors (amazing game), smash bros, bayonetta.
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No its not:
Black Friday sales showed the following:
Xbone = 53%
PS4 = 31%
360 = 9%
Wii U = 6%
That doesnt show growing from strength to strength, that shows falling further behind, with big games occasionally seeing sales pick up.
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Even outside of those newer games are some cracking titles, Zombiiu criminally underrated, Lego city undercover is a great sandbox game, super mario bros wii u is a good traditional mario, monster hunter 3 ultimate is another brilliant 3rd party game..
People who overlook the console (especially at current price) really do sell themselves short, because Nintendo are the only ones these days who make FUN games, you can barely distinguished the other two consoles, and their plethora of first person shooters.
But certainly calling it a flop, when they are the only one of the three companies turning a profit on this gen so far, with a clear succession of potentially great games coming out. I think Nintendo will be just fine
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posted on 2/12/14
Simon....I don't know how you found the energy.
posted on 2/12/14
Your really going to throw the term fanboy around?
Please guys don't undermine your credibility, it's phrases like that which cause the stereotypical idea of a gamer as a pale acne ridden nerd, all I have done is refute your ascertation that Nintendo might need to off their console line.
First off my comments about being "in the black" is that profits from the sale of consoles accessories and games have net a profit equal to the the r and d costs of the consoles. Nintendo are the only ones to have done this, ps4 should easily break theirs too, considering how much they outsell the other platforms.
All Nintendo need are a profit on each gen, and they won't go out of business, this isn't Sega, where they had successive consoles destroyed by the nes/SNES/ps one, the gamecube scraped a profit, the wii I believe is now the most successful console financially, and the wii u has turned a profit relatively early, and without many of its big hitters. The "flop" label was dropped long ago, with the release of mario kart.
Sure Nintendo has its problems, lack of console bundles hamper sales
As for lack of third party support, it's not pandering to those companies that allows their r and d to be carried out at a substantially reduced cost to the other platforms, does it lose me choice of games on the wii u, yes, but who has just one console these days??
As I stated in the last post, Sony have said they make no money from 3rd party games, and part of that it's because the cost of producing a console with such an open architecture is prohibitive.
The black Friday sales are misleading, the xbox price was HALVED for one day, and console bundles were netting a bigger saving than they cost, it was a desperate attempt to shift boxes, so they can sell future games
As for refuting the sold boxes figures, they were taken from vgchartz yesterday. The figures are the same today, although don't include black Friday sales.
They are also, I agree, slow to release games, zelda being a prime example, but the long lead in time for these games are what makes them great, the games are a lot more polished, in depth and captivating than constant remakes of a fps IP. halo lost its charm after 3, (and 2 as a game was poor) because suddenly it became a cash cow and saturated the market, Its also available on the PC, negating any exclusivity to the xbox, the pc versions are always invariably better too, not least because it can be patched/updated easier. Zelda had two games on the last console, sadly I only expect one this time around, although the remastered wind waker is different enough, and it's been long enough (it's not like it was released last year, it's been 10...). To enjoy as a separate game.
Overall though a question was asked, what's next for Nintendo, and the answer is: business as usual, they have made another profitable console, that still has major games to deliver,
As for strength to strength wii u had more games in IGN (generally a pro Sony site) top games of last year, than the other consoles, it also has more in the most anticipated games of next year, and itches recently been re-arranged by them, from the worst console of the generation to the best.
As much as buyers of other consoles might wish Nintendo to flop. So they can get the great titles on other consoles, it simply won't happen, so I really would recommend picking up a 200 quid bundle with Mario kart and 3d world, and also checking out Nintendoland, which is a fun title, Zombiiu which costs about a tenner now, but is as good a zombie survival game as you will play, as well as many other good titles
The games are generally a little cheaper too (averages about £10 less at release, I'll buy wiiu games at close to release, ps4 games I wait untill they drop by about half before I purchase them.
posted on 2/12/14
Wow this got deep
posted on 2/12/14
I absolutely detest the term fanboy and cannot understand why people berate others for their choice in console.
I'd be tempted to get a Wii U but only in the future when the price has dropped a lot (in perspective I got a gamecube 4 years ago and hoovered up the mario/zelda games with it for 50 quid
Nintendo now really cater to the casual gamer and need to do something to change that, first thing would be to start offering people the choice to sit down and play games (ala mario kart with the controller)
posted on 2/12/14
Yeah fanboy is bottom of the barell Internet bilge
Well, the new controller does that, despite its initial appearance it's actually a really nice controller to use, it's comfortable, all buttons in easy reach, is incredibly light for its size and contents and fits really nicely in my (admittedly large) hands.
you also have the choice of the "pro" controllers, which are more mainstream.
I'm yet to meet anyone who uses the main tablet controller and after a short period of use doesn't like it, it is of course influenced by how the games use it too of course, but the screen adds a lot of nifty features in games, even of Nintendo haven't yet utilised it properly themselves. Third party games Zombiiu, mass effect 3, assassins creed, do make good use of it.
The wind waker hd is much more streamlined with the new controller, seeing as you can view all the maps, inventory etc from the game pad, rather than the pause screen. It rocks for multilayer on games too, Hyrule warriors for instance has the controller screen used by player on. And the tv by player two.
Wii u is well worth £200 with a game now! Especially compared to the prices of the other consoles and their (currently at least) vastly inferior catalogue of triple aaa games. (and i refuse to count any games you can buy on the last gen)
posted on 2/12/14
http://techcrunch.com/2014/01/17/wii-u-not-selling/
posted on 2/12/14
Can we quit with the ridiculously long winded posts of ridiculously one sided opinions that causes you to come off as a fanboy that i jokingly used the first time?
posted on 2/12/14
comment by RtM (U1097)
posted 5 minutes ago
Can we quit with the ridiculously long winded posts of ridiculously one sided opinions that causes you to come off as a fanboy that i jokingly used the first time?
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<OK> beat me to making this exact point
posted on 3/12/14
I disagree that my opinions are one sided, as i said,i have more than one console, my preference (along with reviewers) is that the wii offers the best gaming experience so far in this generation.
I would say the one sided opinions only belong to those who resort to childish terms like "fanboy" because industry experts dont recognise their favourites as being worthwhile.
also your link is well out of date, january this year in fact, since then sales of the wii u have almost tripled.
the quoted number in the article being 2.8 million, the current total being 7.6million
in an earlier post i said, that the sales boom started with the release of its big hitters, Mario kart, Mario 3d world, Hyrule warriors, Wind waker HD and smash bros (whose figures are not in yet) it also has a few more upcoming releases
The other consoles are still only releasing last gen ports and 3rd party software, which is available on multiple platforms (including PC for the vast majority) as soon as they start releasing proper new gen games, im sure approval for the systems will shoot through the roof, i have a ps4, its fine, its just not got anything worthwhile yet, but it took the wii u a year for most of its best titles also
You should try staying more current
posted on 3/1/15
http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2015/01/02/nintendo-won-2014-but-the-wii-us-fundamental-problem-remains/
posted on 8/1/15
Interesting article, but it's just one man's narrow opinion.
He can't lable the gamepad a flop just because he hasn't played any of the games where it's used perfectly.
All features he suggests are implemented in games such as Zombiiu (ridiculous name, great game) and AC3. Among others, and with more titles coming, had he done some research or played some of the newer IP's he would know that article is redundant. We all know the gamepad won't work on high action games like smash and kart, it's only use in games where you can't drop your eyes for a second is as a supplementary screen. His criticism there is silly, the true criticism of the implementation on mario kart would be that if 1st player uses the gamepad as his screen, the split screen on the tv is not altered (give 2nd player full screen, or players 2/3 half screens, or indeed allow 5 players!!!!!
The fact he has only talked about playing the two major titles of the year undermines his argument, as does his statement that the only major title to come this year is zelda. Call of duty, fifa etc dident start as mainstream games, people bought them, they were remade and popularity grew, plenty of good games on the wiiu, already released and upcoming have that potential.
Also he makes the point that it's a supplemental system (not many people have it as their sole console, most will also have an xbox/ps) as a criticism and unfair to expect people to pay out for it. Which they don't expect anyone to do, it's a choice, and frankly if you can't afford a £200 console, why buy a £500 one!?! That seems fiscally irresponsible at best! Especially for forbes magazine.
Also, Nintendo themselves say they don't want to compete on power because it increases cost they want to win with gameplay (and they do) so it seems absurd to use the lack of power as a stick to beat them, they nailed their colours to wall from the off, they have not deceived anyone and in my opinion they are happy being the supplementary console and while it remains profitable to be so, they will continue
Regardless of the opinions of a forbes blogger, with serious holes in his argument
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