Tbh I think his wages are only a part of the problem most Gooners have with Diaby's presence at the club now, 8bit.
It's more that Arsene still seems to view as a viable option.
He's in the squad because it's impossible to sell him, he's been injured for about 4 years.
9bit
There were rumours that Diaby refused to collect his salary during rehabilitation but to my knowledge nothing was ever substantiated.
I believe Diaby's pay is related to his appearance. My general belief is we support every player that wears the Arsenal badge. It's not easy being in his shoes, and the least he deserves from us is respect and support. If then club decides to pull the plug on him, so be it. If they decide to extend his contract on whatever condition, he has my full support.
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posted 3 minutes ago
While Diaby’s Arsenal career has been nothing short of a disaster, I cannot help but feel a degree of sympathy for him.
It wasn’t his fault he was injured, nor would he wish to be as useful as Gunnersaurus, and having to comeback time and time again after months on the side-lines must be mentally and physically gruelling for him.
Had he not been beset by injury I believe he could have been an excellent player as technically he is superb.
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Agree with all that, WwSPd.
However, I'd still rather be Abou Diaby than... say, Ryan Garry.
Isn't Garry involved in the academy now??
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posted 3 minutes ago
While Diaby’s Arsenal career has been nothing short of a disaster, I cannot help but feel a degree of sympathy for him.
It wasn’t his fault he was injured, nor would he wish to be as useful as Gunnersaurus, and having to comeback time and time again after months on the side-lines must be mentally and physically gruelling for him.
Had he not been beset by injury I believe he could have been an excellent player as technically he is superb.
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No one question his ability and what a player he can be. It doesnt help though....he is not fit and even when not for long.
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posted 5 minutes ago
9bit
There were rumours that Diaby refused to collect his salary during rehabilitation but to my knowledge nothing was ever substantiated.
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There was nothing official but that was the rumour doing the rounds, I hope we give him a job behind the scenes if he can't carry on playing
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posted 7 minutes ago
Isn't Garry involved in the academy now??
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Just checked. U13s coach. Good to see Arsenal taking care of their own.
Hopefully Diaby could have a career in football after he hangs up his boots for the final time.
If he can remember where he left them, of course...
Hopefully the club are able to offer him some kind of role. Have been quite good in that regard as Steve Morrow, Danny Karbyassion (sp) amongst others still on the books.
Also heard that the club also help fund some of Paul Gascoigne’s treatment which was sympathetic.
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Sheriff
If the club offer him a pay as you play contract the cost to the club will be negligable.
If injuries persist the club can still command a transfer fee for him rather than him leaving for nothing.
A new contract is (IMO) a no brainer.
Arsenal pay stupid wages and there's no way they'd offer their longest serving player a pay-as-you-play deal. He'd likely be earning around 60k-a-week. Rosicky apparently earns ovdr £80k a week just to warm our bench permanently. And WHO ON EARTH will pay a transfer fee for Diaby?! That's never gonna happen.
I feel sorry for his unfulfilled potential, but he has no value to the club. None at all. He's finished and we're not a charity. At least, our charity shouldn't cost £3m-a-year in wages to a crock.
Sheriff
As 9bit alluded to earlier in the thread there are rumours that Diaby has refused to accept his salary in light of his injuries, so a pay as you play contract is certainly something that may be considered.
This is also backed by AW’s unwavering support for Diaby.
Irrespective of how long Diaby has been at the club, sentimentality will not be a factor when it comes down to a new contract (which AW has suggested he will get) - "If he comes back I will keep him."
Feel sorry for him, but Arsenal are not a charity. Out so long that when he comes back he is susceptible to injury. He gets injured and then is out for ages. Vicious circle really.
It's an unfounded rumour that he accepts no salary. And of course sentiments are involved. Wenger is one of the most sentimental managers around. Diaby would have long been released if he played under Maureen. I don't agree at all that he's in any way worthy of a new contract. As far back as when he was at Auxerre, his manager knew his career would be ruined by injury. So many muscle problems and it gets worse - not better. It's pretty clear the guy is finished, FFS. How much more proof do you need? It's not like we're waiting for fat Ronaldo or Zidane. It's Diaby, FFS. Even when fit, he was a squad or rotational player. He was never a key player. He's VERY expendable.
Sheriff
I take a couple of your points but I do not believe for a minute sentimentality has any bearing on AW’s decision.
When Diaby was at Auxerre he was considered to be one of the most technically gifted players the club had seen, and he excelled at Clairfontaine (sp) in the ‘false neuf’ position.
Any profession is not going to invest many years of effort and resource into an asset, to see it walk out the door when it could potentially be worth millions. It’s simple business.
A pay as you play contract would offer security to both club and player.
I don't get this desire to ditch him, just as he is approaching returning to fitness. Yes he might get injured again, but alternatively he might not, and then who would look stupid if we sold him?? I really like the fact that the club sticks by its players. It's a really admirable trait and it's a reason we can expect loyalty from our players, one of the few football clubs that could expect any considering how players are so quickly ditched if out of form or injured for other teams. We don't need his wages for anyone else, our squad isn't full so he's not taking anyone's space, getting rid of Diaby would be handing over a potentially very valuable asset for next to nothing. Without seeing him in training and knowing what's keeping him out, none of us are in a position to judge whether this is the right move or not. But I have more faith in Wenger than the collection of keyboard warriors on this forum when it comes to treating players right...
I don't know why people are panicking or getting upset.
Did Wenger not say IF he gets fit?
Well, we all know that will never happen so there is no worry there .
He is not the kind of person who would publicly admit that Diaby will be let go while he is working hard to try to come back
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"We don't need his wages
for anyone else, our squad isn't full so he's not taking anyone's space,"
A ridiculous statement. Our squad is filled with a lot of dead-weight in some areas, but light in other areas. Plenty of imbalance. Many of the dead weight are on ridiculous wages. Our ridiculous £166m wage bill may be trimmed when we get players like Diaby off our books.
There is our new jan signing Wenger hyping about
Depends what you call plenty of money, any average footballers earns millions which is a lot of money but not much for a football club. Diaby's wages are about 1% of our turnover, keeping him or not doesn't really change our finances.. plus he doesn't get paid when he's injured. I mean someone said Diaby has cost us £20m so far in 10 years, Ozil's already cost us about 60m. And the point about him taking a squad place, we only named 23 players out of 25 on our squad list anyway.
Whatever people feel about Diaby, AW rates him very highly.
Throughout his AFC tenure the reoccurring rhetoric has been technical ability. Diaby has that in abundance and I feel this is why AW will offer him a new deal.
Whether that is the correct decision remains to be seen.
He stood by Ramsey when most on here considered him deadwood...
Diaby is asymptomatic of the Wenger years post David Deins departure.
He is a caricature of Wenger's failure to produce a title winning squad. Too much favouritism for players who don't contribute for whatever reason.
For example could Wenger be as ruthless as Mourinho was with Mata? If Mata had played for Arsenal he would be continuously given new contracts till he reached 38 and decided to quit just in case he eventually fitted the formation.
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posted on 5/12/14
Tbh I think his wages are only a part of the problem most Gooners have with Diaby's presence at the club now, 8bit.
It's more that Arsene still seems to view as a viable option.
posted on 5/12/14
He's in the squad because it's impossible to sell him, he's been injured for about 4 years.
posted on 5/12/14
9bit
There were rumours that Diaby refused to collect his salary during rehabilitation but to my knowledge nothing was ever substantiated.
posted on 5/12/14
I believe Diaby's pay is related to his appearance. My general belief is we support every player that wears the Arsenal badge. It's not easy being in his shoes, and the least he deserves from us is respect and support. If then club decides to pull the plug on him, so be it. If they decide to extend his contract on whatever condition, he has my full support.
posted on 5/12/14
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 3 minutes ago
While Diaby’s Arsenal career has been nothing short of a disaster, I cannot help but feel a degree of sympathy for him.
It wasn’t his fault he was injured, nor would he wish to be as useful as Gunnersaurus, and having to comeback time and time again after months on the side-lines must be mentally and physically gruelling for him.
Had he not been beset by injury I believe he could have been an excellent player as technically he is superb.
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Agree with all that, WwSPd.
However, I'd still rather be Abou Diaby than... say, Ryan Garry.
posted on 5/12/14
Isn't Garry involved in the academy now??
posted on 5/12/14
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 3 minutes ago
While Diaby’s Arsenal career has been nothing short of a disaster, I cannot help but feel a degree of sympathy for him.
It wasn’t his fault he was injured, nor would he wish to be as useful as Gunnersaurus, and having to comeback time and time again after months on the side-lines must be mentally and physically gruelling for him.
Had he not been beset by injury I believe he could have been an excellent player as technically he is superb.
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No one question his ability and what a player he can be. It doesnt help though....he is not fit and even when not for long.
posted on 5/12/14
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 5 minutes ago
9bit
There were rumours that Diaby refused to collect his salary during rehabilitation but to my knowledge nothing was ever substantiated.
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There was nothing official but that was the rumour doing the rounds, I hope we give him a job behind the scenes if he can't carry on playing
posted on 5/12/14
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 7 minutes ago
Isn't Garry involved in the academy now??
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Just checked. U13s coach. Good to see Arsenal taking care of their own.
Hopefully Diaby could have a career in football after he hangs up his boots for the final time.
If he can remember where he left them, of course...
posted on 5/12/14
Hopefully the club are able to offer him some kind of role. Have been quite good in that regard as Steve Morrow, Danny Karbyassion (sp) amongst others still on the books.
Also heard that the club also help fund some of Paul Gascoigne’s treatment which was sympathetic.
posted on 5/12/14
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posted on 5/12/14
Sheriff
If the club offer him a pay as you play contract the cost to the club will be negligable.
If injuries persist the club can still command a transfer fee for him rather than him leaving for nothing.
A new contract is (IMO) a no brainer.
posted on 5/12/14
Arsenal pay stupid wages and there's no way they'd offer their longest serving player a pay-as-you-play deal. He'd likely be earning around 60k-a-week. Rosicky apparently earns ovdr £80k a week just to warm our bench permanently. And WHO ON EARTH will pay a transfer fee for Diaby?! That's never gonna happen.
I feel sorry for his unfulfilled potential, but he has no value to the club. None at all. He's finished and we're not a charity. At least, our charity shouldn't cost £3m-a-year in wages to a crock.
posted on 5/12/14
Sheriff
As 9bit alluded to earlier in the thread there are rumours that Diaby has refused to accept his salary in light of his injuries, so a pay as you play contract is certainly something that may be considered.
This is also backed by AW’s unwavering support for Diaby.
Irrespective of how long Diaby has been at the club, sentimentality will not be a factor when it comes down to a new contract (which AW has suggested he will get) - "If he comes back I will keep him."
posted on 5/12/14
Feel sorry for him, but Arsenal are not a charity. Out so long that when he comes back he is susceptible to injury. He gets injured and then is out for ages. Vicious circle really.
posted on 5/12/14
It's an unfounded rumour that he accepts no salary. And of course sentiments are involved. Wenger is one of the most sentimental managers around. Diaby would have long been released if he played under Maureen. I don't agree at all that he's in any way worthy of a new contract. As far back as when he was at Auxerre, his manager knew his career would be ruined by injury. So many muscle problems and it gets worse - not better. It's pretty clear the guy is finished, FFS. How much more proof do you need? It's not like we're waiting for fat Ronaldo or Zidane. It's Diaby, FFS. Even when fit, he was a squad or rotational player. He was never a key player. He's VERY expendable.
posted on 5/12/14
Sheriff
I take a couple of your points but I do not believe for a minute sentimentality has any bearing on AW’s decision.
When Diaby was at Auxerre he was considered to be one of the most technically gifted players the club had seen, and he excelled at Clairfontaine (sp) in the ‘false neuf’ position.
Any profession is not going to invest many years of effort and resource into an asset, to see it walk out the door when it could potentially be worth millions. It’s simple business.
A pay as you play contract would offer security to both club and player.
posted on 5/12/14
I don't get this desire to ditch him, just as he is approaching returning to fitness. Yes he might get injured again, but alternatively he might not, and then who would look stupid if we sold him?? I really like the fact that the club sticks by its players. It's a really admirable trait and it's a reason we can expect loyalty from our players, one of the few football clubs that could expect any considering how players are so quickly ditched if out of form or injured for other teams. We don't need his wages for anyone else, our squad isn't full so he's not taking anyone's space, getting rid of Diaby would be handing over a potentially very valuable asset for next to nothing. Without seeing him in training and knowing what's keeping him out, none of us are in a position to judge whether this is the right move or not. But I have more faith in Wenger than the collection of keyboard warriors on this forum when it comes to treating players right...
posted on 5/12/14
I don't know why people are panicking or getting upset.
Did Wenger not say IF he gets fit?
Well, we all know that will never happen so there is no worry there .
He is not the kind of person who would publicly admit that Diaby will be let go while he is working hard to try to come back
posted on 5/12/14
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posted on 5/12/14
"We don't need his wages
for anyone else, our squad isn't full so he's not taking anyone's space,"
A ridiculous statement. Our squad is filled with a lot of dead-weight in some areas, but light in other areas. Plenty of imbalance. Many of the dead weight are on ridiculous wages. Our ridiculous £166m wage bill may be trimmed when we get players like Diaby off our books.
posted on 5/12/14
There is our new jan signing Wenger hyping about
posted on 5/12/14
Depends what you call plenty of money, any average footballers earns millions which is a lot of money but not much for a football club. Diaby's wages are about 1% of our turnover, keeping him or not doesn't really change our finances.. plus he doesn't get paid when he's injured. I mean someone said Diaby has cost us £20m so far in 10 years, Ozil's already cost us about 60m. And the point about him taking a squad place, we only named 23 players out of 25 on our squad list anyway.
posted on 5/12/14
Whatever people feel about Diaby, AW rates him very highly.
Throughout his AFC tenure the reoccurring rhetoric has been technical ability. Diaby has that in abundance and I feel this is why AW will offer him a new deal.
Whether that is the correct decision remains to be seen.
He stood by Ramsey when most on here considered him deadwood...
posted on 5/12/14
Diaby is asymptomatic of the Wenger years post David Deins departure.
He is a caricature of Wenger's failure to produce a title winning squad. Too much favouritism for players who don't contribute for whatever reason.
For example could Wenger be as ruthless as Mourinho was with Mata? If Mata had played for Arsenal he would be continuously given new contracts till he reached 38 and decided to quit just in case he eventually fitted the formation.
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