Don't not dong stupid autocorrect.
Just checking this works.....
Right I had a whole post wrote out but I can't be bothered to put that much effort into rewriting it....
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Eh? Carlos was responding to whether Evans should be banned for spitting AT Cisse. His answer is no he shouldn't be banned because he spat on the floor. Yes you could argue he is right. However he omits the fact that Cisse is also on the floor and right next to where he spat. Carlos thinks Evans shouldn't be banned for spitting at Cisse.
It gets worse!
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Carlos didn't do or write anything other than what was within that post.
We could clearly see his username and the reply button at the bottom, so unless you edited the text his post really did just say what it said.
Anything else is your biased interpretation.
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No the not is meant to be there. Carlos wasn't asked what happened between the two players.
Carlos was asked whether he thought Evans should be banned.
If Carlos was asked what happened between the two then he would've been informing the person, or stating a fact, with his answer. Instead Carlos was responding to a question about the ban. He was saying he doesn't think Evans should be banned because he believes he was spitting on the floor. He was defending him.
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Same as above, Carlos only said what he said, everything else is your interpretation....
Saying someone is confused just because you disagree with them is certainly disrespectful, as is calling a group of people hypocrites, even if you are the one who made them look like that.
I can't remember now which ones were aimed at me and which ones weren't but I am going to take a wild guess that when you were calling me professor it was meant in a sarcastic disrespectful way rather than a genuine compliment....
BTW the definition of insult mentions disrespectful, JA606 doesn't seem to like me copy pasting that part so just look it up for yourself if you don't believe me....
I honestly give up. I have explained this multiple times.
He posted a comment from Macca where Macca says he did not spit on Cisse but will accept the ban.
Macca saying he did not spit on him is not a defence, just stating a fact.
The same Macca said he will get banned and he will be happy with it.
How can Macca's comments imply he is defending Evans?
I have tried to explain this multiple times; Evans spit on the floor but we all know what he did was a sign of disrespect to Cisse and he was rightly banned.
Saying he spit on the floor is not a defence of Evans, just a statement of fact.
Are you speaking for yourself MUDD, or on behalf of United's entire fanbase? Countinhoshappyfeet gets a bit confused between the two.
I speak for all the Utd fans worldwide
When I applied the same logic to Skrtel and the Liverpool fan defending him, he was quick to say it was an individual.
Phenomenal logic
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posted 17 hours, 46 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
Nope - spitting at them is an attempt to hit them. Spitting at their feet is spitting at their feet. Neither are nice though as I have stated several times and I have no problem with the ban.
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See this is what I've been trying to get through to MUDD. Saying he was spitting at his feet, as if it's a fact, is one way of defending him. From the visor footage one thing is obvious, and not opinion, is that he spat in the direction of Ciise. I'm not going to speculate whether he intended to hit him, the pitch or his feet. The bottom line is he spat at Ciise.
But, in fairness Elvis you acknowledge he was in the wrong and deserves the ban. Although you said you're fine with the ban because you don't rate him as well
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You don't know if he spat at Cisse. Only Evans knows for sure. My opinion is that he just tried to spit at his feet as a show of contempt, which I don't count as spitting at someone.
At the time I have said that I wasn't bothered about the ban as I don't rate Evans and because even spitting at an opponents feet is a bad example.
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Where in the world is spitting at someone's feet a show of contempt?
I'm not sure if you're from England, or even the UK, but I'm my 30+ years I've never heard of that being a done thing, on or off the pitch.
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You have never seen someone spit on the floor at another person's feet? Are you for real? I think that it is more common in other countries, but I have seen it happen plenty in England.
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posted 17 hours, 42 minutes ago
Spitting at someone's feet is spitting at that person.
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No, the phrase spitting at someone's feet means spitting on the floor on front of their feet. It really is quite a common term and concept. This isn't the same as spitting on the person and I don't believe Evans was trying to spit on Cisse.
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posted 21 minutes ago
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 17 hours, 46 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
Nope - spitting at them is an attempt to hit them. Spitting at their feet is spitting at their feet. Neither are nice though as I have stated several times and I have no problem with the ban.
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See this is what I've been trying to get through to MUDD. Saying he was spitting at his feet, as if it's a fact, is one way of defending him. From the visor footage one thing is obvious, and not opinion, is that he spat in the direction of Ciise. I'm not going to speculate whether he intended to hit him, the pitch or his feet. The bottom line is he spat at Ciise.
But, in fairness Elvis you acknowledge he was in the wrong and deserves the ban. Although you said you're fine with the ban because you don't rate him as well
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You don't know if he spat at Cisse. Only Evans knows for sure. My opinion is that he just tried to spit at his feet as a show of contempt, which I don't count as spitting at someone.
At the time I have said that I wasn't bothered about the ban as I don't rate Evans and because even spitting at an opponents feet is a bad example.
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Where in the world is spitting at someone's feet a show of contempt?
I'm not sure if you're from England, or even the UK, but I'm my 30+ years I've never heard of that being a done thing, on or off the pitch.
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You have never seen someone spit on the floor at another person's feet? Are you for real? I think that it is more common in other countries, but I have seen it happen plenty in England.
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No I haven't ever seen, or heard of, anyone spitting at another persons feet to show contempt. I've looked on Google and can't find any reference to it either. You've seen it happen plenty in England? Perhaps I don't mix with the type of people that do such a disgusting thing.
But either way, regardless of whether he spat on Cisse, at him and missed, or at his feet. That's still spitting at someone.
The fact that you've gone to the lengths you have, to start a debate about the semantics of spitting at, on, at their feet, cultural references and shows of contempt, is the epitome of defending him.
I am going to bookmark this as I am astonished at this. Denial of clear facts, the links have been provided, I have copy pasted multiple posts clearly defending Evans beyond reasonable doubt, yet here we are. I never thought this actually happens. I thought it was just an insult but these guys are truly deluded and totally blinkered. Amazing phenomenon.
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posted 17 hours, 46 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
Nope - spitting at them is an attempt to hit them. Spitting at their feet is spitting at their feet. Neither are nice though as I have stated several times and I have no problem with the ban.
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See this is what I've been trying to get through to MUDD. Saying he was spitting at his feet, as if it's a fact, is one way of defending him. From the visor footage one thing is obvious, and not opinion, is that he spat in the direction of Ciise. I'm not going to speculate whether he intended to hit him, the pitch or his feet. The bottom line is he spat at Ciise.
But, in fairness Elvis you acknowledge he was in the wrong and deserves the ban. Although you said you're fine with the ban because you don't rate him as well
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You don't know if he spat at Cisse. Only Evans knows for sure. My opinion is that he just tried to spit at his feet as a show of contempt, which I don't count as spitting at someone.
At the time I have said that I wasn't bothered about the ban as I don't rate Evans and because even spitting at an opponents feet is a bad example.
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Where in the world is spitting at someone's feet a show of contempt?
I'm not sure if you're from England, or even the UK, but I'm my 30+ years I've never heard of that being a done thing, on or off the pitch.
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You have never seen someone spit on the floor at another person's feet? Are you for real? I think that it is more common in other countries, but I have seen it happen plenty in England.
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No I haven't ever seen, or heard of, anyone spitting at another persons feet to show contempt. I've looked on Google and can't find any reference to it either. You've seen it happen plenty in England? Perhaps I don't mix with the type of people that do such a disgusting thing.
But either way, regardless of whether he spat on Cisse, at him and missed, or at his feet. That's still spitting at someone.
The fact that you've gone to the lengths you have, to start a debate about the semantics of spitting at, on, at their feet, cultural references and shows of contempt, is the epitome of defending him.
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Where did I say that it was the people that I mix with that spat at peoples feet? I just said that I have seen plenty of it. Usually after a pushing match by two drunks in a pub or bar. I have also seen it in plenty of films and TV shows - although I'd say that it tends to be the older ones, so perhaps you are too young to remember these. Either way, spitting at someone's feet is a well known show of contempt/disrespect.
Not sure what you Googled, but here are a few examples of spitting at someone's feet in such a manner:
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yGVvAwAAQBAJ&pg=PT24&lpg=PT24&dq=%22spat+at+my+feet%22&source=bl&ots=q-1_hCLU6e&sig=CRQA82T_J4YbudcKgeAaL2a9Jjk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=aEIVVceIPMHraKC2gsAG&ved=0CEAQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=%22spat%20at%20my%20feet%22&f=false
http://pittsburgh.ihollaback.org/category/verbal-2/
http://beforeitsnews.com/eu/2015/01/jewish-like-me-swedish-reporter-wears-kippa-and-jewish-star-and-walks-around-malmo-2577030.html
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1274891
Finally, I didn't start the debate about the semantics of spitting. You have cut and paste my previous comments but failed to understand them properly - I am merely explaining them to you.
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posted 3 minutes ago
I am going to bookmark this as I am astonished at this. Denial of clear facts, the links have been provided, I have copy pasted multiple posts clearly defending Evans beyond reasonable doubt, yet here we are. I never thought this actually happens. I thought it was just an insult but these guys are truly deluded and totally blinkered. Amazing phenomenon
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Stop wumming Mamba.
You have never seen someone spit on the floor at another person's feet?
Are you for real? I think that it is more common in other countries, but I have seen it happen plenty in England.
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Spitting at someone's feet is spitting at that person. The offence is spitting at a person not spitting on a person. What is the relevance of pointing this out anyway because it makes absolutely no difference whether Evans spit at Cisse's head, pancreas or whether he connected with the spit, unless you are mitigating.
comment by Mamba - Break it down... Ohohohohohohohoh... Now Stop! Mamba time (U1282) (U13041)
posted 2 minutes ago
You have never seen someone spit on the floor at another person's feet?
Are you for real? I think that it is more common in other countries, but I have seen it happen plenty in England.
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Spitting at someone's feet is spitting at that person. The offence is spitting at a person not spitting on a person. What is the relevance of pointing this out anyway because it makes absolutely no difference whether Evans spit at Cisse's head, pancreas or whether he connected with the spit, unless you are mitigating.
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As I have explained, spitting at someone's feet actually means spitting in the floor in front of them. I am amazed that I actually have to explain what is a widely know show of contempt. I don't believe that Evans spat AT Cisse. I believe that he spat AT the floor in front of Cisse. And that is what he hit. If the FA think that is worthy of a ban then I am fine with it - its not a nice thing to do or a good example. However, I don't believe that Evans was guilty by the letter of the law.
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Nope - spitting at them is an attempt to hit them. Spitting at their feet is spitting at their feet. Neither are nice though as I have stated several times and I have no problem with the ban.
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See this is what I've been trying to get through to MUDD. Saying he was spitting at his feet, as if it's a fact, is one way of defending him. From the visor footage one thing is obvious, and not opinion, is that he spat in the direction of Ciise. I'm not going to speculate whether he intended to hit him, the pitch or his feet. The bottom line is he spat at Ciise.
But, in fairness Elvis you acknowledge he was in the wrong and deserves the ban. Although you said you're fine with the ban because you don't rate him as well
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You don't know if he spat at Cisse. Only Evans knows for sure. My opinion is that he just tried to spit at his feet as a show of contempt, which I don't count as spitting at someone.
At the time I have said that I wasn't bothered about the ban as I don't rate Evans and because even spitting at an opponents feet is a bad example.
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Where in the world is spitting at someone's feet a show of contempt?
I'm not sure if you're from England, or even the UK, but I'm my 30+ years I've never heard of that being a done thing, on or off the pitch.
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You have never seen someone spit on the floor at another person's feet? Are you for real? I think that it is more common in other countries, but I have seen it happen plenty in England.
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No I haven't ever seen, or heard of, anyone spitting at another persons feet to show contempt. I've looked on Google and can't find any reference to it either. You've seen it happen plenty in England? Perhaps I don't mix with the type of people that do such a disgusting thing.
But either way, regardless of whether he spat on Cisse, at him and missed, or at his feet. That's still spitting at someone.
The fact that you've gone to the lengths you have, to start a debate about the semantics of spitting at, on, at their feet, cultural references and shows of contempt, is the epitome of defending him.
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Where did I say that it was the people that I mix with that spat at peoples feet? I just said that I have seen plenty of it. Usually after a pushing match by two drunks in a pub or bar. I have also seen it in plenty of films and TV shows - although I'd say that it tends to be the older ones, so perhaps you are too young to remember these. Either way, spitting at someone's feet is a well known show of contempt/disrespect.
Not sure what you Googled, but here are a few examples of spitting at someone's feet in such a manner:
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yGVvAwAAQBAJ&pg=PT24&lpg=PT24&dq=%22spat+at+my+feet%22&source=bl&ots=q-1_hCLU6e&sig=CRQA82T_J4YbudcKgeAaL2a9Jjk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=aEIVVceIPMHraKC2gsAG&ved=0CEAQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=%22spat%20at%20my%20feet%22&f=false
http://pittsburgh.ihollaback.org/category/verbal-2/
http://beforeitsnews.com/eu/2015/01/jewish-like-me-swedish-reporter-wears-kippa-and-jewish-star-and-walks-around-malmo-2577030.html
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=tel:1274891
Finally, I didn't start the debate about the semantics of spitting. You have cut and paste my previous comments but failed to understand them properly - I am merely explaining them to you.
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Elvis
That first link is a fictional book.
The second link is in the US
Where is the reference to spitting in the 3rd link, both in the link and the video?
The 4th link doesn't work.
Like I said in my 30 odd years, being modest there, I've never heard of it. Spitting had always been seen as something you just don't do, even as a show of contempt.
"Either way, spitting at someone's feet is a well known show of contempt/disrespect."
Here in the UK? No it's not. If it is there should be plenty of references to it that are relevant to our culture, and that actually work. Read the link to The Guardian I posted yesterday.
Elvis
"I believe that he spat AT the floor in front of Cisse."
Whilst stood over Cisse who happened to be on the floor at the time.
" I am amazed that I actually have to explain what is a widely know show of contempt"
So well known you can only find reference in works of fiction and cultures of another country.
We live in a small world and much of the western culture recognises the same insults. I have always known that spitting on the ground at someone's feet is a show of contempt. It really isn't even worth discussing.
And ask yourself, why would an author include the fact that someone spat at another person's feet in their story if it wasn't knwon/regarded as a a show of disrespect?
We live in a small world and much of the western culture recognises the same insults. I have always known that spitting on the ground at someone's feet is a show of contempt. It really isn't even worth discussing.
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TBH I have heard of it and seen it and I am not 29 yet.
I didn't even bother acknowledging the point because I highly suspect Cout is just being a
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Whilst stood over Cisse who happened to be on the floor at the time.
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Actually he was in the process of getting up, but regardless the spit didn't hit him so whether he was on the floor or in a hot air balloon doesn't really make a difference...
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Don't not dong stupid autocorrect.
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Just checking this works.....
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Right I had a whole post wrote out but I can't be bothered to put that much effort into rewriting it....
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Eh? Carlos was responding to whether Evans should be banned for spitting AT Cisse. His answer is no he shouldn't be banned because he spat on the floor. Yes you could argue he is right. However he omits the fact that Cisse is also on the floor and right next to where he spat. Carlos thinks Evans shouldn't be banned for spitting at Cisse.
It gets worse!
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Carlos didn't do or write anything other than what was within that post.
We could clearly see his username and the reply button at the bottom, so unless you edited the text his post really did just say what it said.
Anything else is your biased interpretation.
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No the not is meant to be there. Carlos wasn't asked what happened between the two players.
Carlos was asked whether he thought Evans should be banned.
If Carlos was asked what happened between the two then he would've been informing the person, or stating a fact, with his answer. Instead Carlos was responding to a question about the ban. He was saying he doesn't think Evans should be banned because he believes he was spitting on the floor. He was defending him.
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Same as above, Carlos only said what he said, everything else is your interpretation....
posted on 26/3/15
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posted on 26/3/15
Saying someone is confused just because you disagree with them is certainly disrespectful, as is calling a group of people hypocrites, even if you are the one who made them look like that.
I can't remember now which ones were aimed at me and which ones weren't but I am going to take a wild guess that when you were calling me professor it was meant in a sarcastic disrespectful way rather than a genuine compliment....
BTW the definition of insult mentions disrespectful, JA606 doesn't seem to like me copy pasting that part so just look it up for yourself if you don't believe me....
posted on 26/3/15
I honestly give up. I have explained this multiple times.
He posted a comment from Macca where Macca says he did not spit on Cisse but will accept the ban.
Macca saying he did not spit on him is not a defence, just stating a fact.
The same Macca said he will get banned and he will be happy with it.
How can Macca's comments imply he is defending Evans?
I have tried to explain this multiple times; Evans spit on the floor but we all know what he did was a sign of disrespect to Cisse and he was rightly banned.
Saying he spit on the floor is not a defence of Evans, just a statement of fact.
posted on 26/3/15
Are you speaking for yourself MUDD, or on behalf of United's entire fanbase? Countinhoshappyfeet gets a bit confused between the two.
posted on 26/3/15
I speak for all the Utd fans worldwide
When I applied the same logic to Skrtel and the Liverpool fan defending him, he was quick to say it was an individual.
Phenomenal logic
posted on 27/3/15
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 17 hours, 46 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
Nope - spitting at them is an attempt to hit them. Spitting at their feet is spitting at their feet. Neither are nice though as I have stated several times and I have no problem with the ban.
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See this is what I've been trying to get through to MUDD. Saying he was spitting at his feet, as if it's a fact, is one way of defending him. From the visor footage one thing is obvious, and not opinion, is that he spat in the direction of Ciise. I'm not going to speculate whether he intended to hit him, the pitch or his feet. The bottom line is he spat at Ciise.
But, in fairness Elvis you acknowledge he was in the wrong and deserves the ban. Although you said you're fine with the ban because you don't rate him as well
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You don't know if he spat at Cisse. Only Evans knows for sure. My opinion is that he just tried to spit at his feet as a show of contempt, which I don't count as spitting at someone.
At the time I have said that I wasn't bothered about the ban as I don't rate Evans and because even spitting at an opponents feet is a bad example.
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Where in the world is spitting at someone's feet a show of contempt?
I'm not sure if you're from England, or even the UK, but I'm my 30+ years I've never heard of that being a done thing, on or off the pitch.
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You have never seen someone spit on the floor at another person's feet? Are you for real? I think that it is more common in other countries, but I have seen it happen plenty in England.
posted on 27/3/15
comment by Mamba - Break it down... Ohohohohohohohoh... Now Stop! Mamba time (U1282) (U13041)
posted 17 hours, 42 minutes ago
Spitting at someone's feet is spitting at that person.
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No, the phrase spitting at someone's feet means spitting on the floor on front of their feet. It really is quite a common term and concept. This isn't the same as spitting on the person and I don't believe Evans was trying to spit on Cisse.
posted on 27/3/15
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 17 hours, 46 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
Nope - spitting at them is an attempt to hit them. Spitting at their feet is spitting at their feet. Neither are nice though as I have stated several times and I have no problem with the ban.
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See this is what I've been trying to get through to MUDD. Saying he was spitting at his feet, as if it's a fact, is one way of defending him. From the visor footage one thing is obvious, and not opinion, is that he spat in the direction of Ciise. I'm not going to speculate whether he intended to hit him, the pitch or his feet. The bottom line is he spat at Ciise.
But, in fairness Elvis you acknowledge he was in the wrong and deserves the ban. Although you said you're fine with the ban because you don't rate him as well
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You don't know if he spat at Cisse. Only Evans knows for sure. My opinion is that he just tried to spit at his feet as a show of contempt, which I don't count as spitting at someone.
At the time I have said that I wasn't bothered about the ban as I don't rate Evans and because even spitting at an opponents feet is a bad example.
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Where in the world is spitting at someone's feet a show of contempt?
I'm not sure if you're from England, or even the UK, but I'm my 30+ years I've never heard of that being a done thing, on or off the pitch.
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You have never seen someone spit on the floor at another person's feet? Are you for real? I think that it is more common in other countries, but I have seen it happen plenty in England.
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No I haven't ever seen, or heard of, anyone spitting at another persons feet to show contempt. I've looked on Google and can't find any reference to it either. You've seen it happen plenty in England? Perhaps I don't mix with the type of people that do such a disgusting thing.
But either way, regardless of whether he spat on Cisse, at him and missed, or at his feet. That's still spitting at someone.
The fact that you've gone to the lengths you have, to start a debate about the semantics of spitting at, on, at their feet, cultural references and shows of contempt, is the epitome of defending him.
posted on 27/3/15
I am going to bookmark this as I am astonished at this. Denial of clear facts, the links have been provided, I have copy pasted multiple posts clearly defending Evans beyond reasonable doubt, yet here we are. I never thought this actually happens. I thought it was just an insult but these guys are truly deluded and totally blinkered. Amazing phenomenon.
posted on 27/3/15
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 17 hours, 46 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
Nope - spitting at them is an attempt to hit them. Spitting at their feet is spitting at their feet. Neither are nice though as I have stated several times and I have no problem with the ban.
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See this is what I've been trying to get through to MUDD. Saying he was spitting at his feet, as if it's a fact, is one way of defending him. From the visor footage one thing is obvious, and not opinion, is that he spat in the direction of Ciise. I'm not going to speculate whether he intended to hit him, the pitch or his feet. The bottom line is he spat at Ciise.
But, in fairness Elvis you acknowledge he was in the wrong and deserves the ban. Although you said you're fine with the ban because you don't rate him as well
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You don't know if he spat at Cisse. Only Evans knows for sure. My opinion is that he just tried to spit at his feet as a show of contempt, which I don't count as spitting at someone.
At the time I have said that I wasn't bothered about the ban as I don't rate Evans and because even spitting at an opponents feet is a bad example.
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Where in the world is spitting at someone's feet a show of contempt?
I'm not sure if you're from England, or even the UK, but I'm my 30+ years I've never heard of that being a done thing, on or off the pitch.
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You have never seen someone spit on the floor at another person's feet? Are you for real? I think that it is more common in other countries, but I have seen it happen plenty in England.
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No I haven't ever seen, or heard of, anyone spitting at another persons feet to show contempt. I've looked on Google and can't find any reference to it either. You've seen it happen plenty in England? Perhaps I don't mix with the type of people that do such a disgusting thing.
But either way, regardless of whether he spat on Cisse, at him and missed, or at his feet. That's still spitting at someone.
The fact that you've gone to the lengths you have, to start a debate about the semantics of spitting at, on, at their feet, cultural references and shows of contempt, is the epitome of defending him.
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Where did I say that it was the people that I mix with that spat at peoples feet? I just said that I have seen plenty of it. Usually after a pushing match by two drunks in a pub or bar. I have also seen it in plenty of films and TV shows - although I'd say that it tends to be the older ones, so perhaps you are too young to remember these. Either way, spitting at someone's feet is a well known show of contempt/disrespect.
Not sure what you Googled, but here are a few examples of spitting at someone's feet in such a manner:
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yGVvAwAAQBAJ&pg=PT24&lpg=PT24&dq=%22spat+at+my+feet%22&source=bl&ots=q-1_hCLU6e&sig=CRQA82T_J4YbudcKgeAaL2a9Jjk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=aEIVVceIPMHraKC2gsAG&ved=0CEAQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=%22spat%20at%20my%20feet%22&f=false
http://pittsburgh.ihollaback.org/category/verbal-2/
http://beforeitsnews.com/eu/2015/01/jewish-like-me-swedish-reporter-wears-kippa-and-jewish-star-and-walks-around-malmo-2577030.html
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1274891
Finally, I didn't start the debate about the semantics of spitting. You have cut and paste my previous comments but failed to understand them properly - I am merely explaining them to you.
posted on 27/3/15
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I am going to bookmark this as I am astonished at this. Denial of clear facts, the links have been provided, I have copy pasted multiple posts clearly defending Evans beyond reasonable doubt, yet here we are. I never thought this actually happens. I thought it was just an insult but these guys are truly deluded and totally blinkered. Amazing phenomenon
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Stop wumming Mamba.
posted on 27/3/15
You have never seen someone spit on the floor at another person's feet?
Are you for real? I think that it is more common in other countries, but I have seen it happen plenty in England.
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Spitting at someone's feet is spitting at that person. The offence is spitting at a person not spitting on a person. What is the relevance of pointing this out anyway because it makes absolutely no difference whether Evans spit at Cisse's head, pancreas or whether he connected with the spit, unless you are mitigating.
posted on 27/3/15
comment by Mamba - Break it down... Ohohohohohohohoh... Now Stop! Mamba time (U1282) (U13041)
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You have never seen someone spit on the floor at another person's feet?
Are you for real? I think that it is more common in other countries, but I have seen it happen plenty in England.
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Spitting at someone's feet is spitting at that person. The offence is spitting at a person not spitting on a person. What is the relevance of pointing this out anyway because it makes absolutely no difference whether Evans spit at Cisse's head, pancreas or whether he connected with the spit, unless you are mitigating.
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As I have explained, spitting at someone's feet actually means spitting in the floor in front of them. I am amazed that I actually have to explain what is a widely know show of contempt. I don't believe that Evans spat AT Cisse. I believe that he spat AT the floor in front of Cisse. And that is what he hit. If the FA think that is worthy of a ban then I am fine with it - its not a nice thing to do or a good example. However, I don't believe that Evans was guilty by the letter of the law.
posted on 27/3/15
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Nope - spitting at them is an attempt to hit them. Spitting at their feet is spitting at their feet. Neither are nice though as I have stated several times and I have no problem with the ban.
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See this is what I've been trying to get through to MUDD. Saying he was spitting at his feet, as if it's a fact, is one way of defending him. From the visor footage one thing is obvious, and not opinion, is that he spat in the direction of Ciise. I'm not going to speculate whether he intended to hit him, the pitch or his feet. The bottom line is he spat at Ciise.
But, in fairness Elvis you acknowledge he was in the wrong and deserves the ban. Although you said you're fine with the ban because you don't rate him as well
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You don't know if he spat at Cisse. Only Evans knows for sure. My opinion is that he just tried to spit at his feet as a show of contempt, which I don't count as spitting at someone.
At the time I have said that I wasn't bothered about the ban as I don't rate Evans and because even spitting at an opponents feet is a bad example.
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Where in the world is spitting at someone's feet a show of contempt?
I'm not sure if you're from England, or even the UK, but I'm my 30+ years I've never heard of that being a done thing, on or off the pitch.
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You have never seen someone spit on the floor at another person's feet? Are you for real? I think that it is more common in other countries, but I have seen it happen plenty in England.
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No I haven't ever seen, or heard of, anyone spitting at another persons feet to show contempt. I've looked on Google and can't find any reference to it either. You've seen it happen plenty in England? Perhaps I don't mix with the type of people that do such a disgusting thing.
But either way, regardless of whether he spat on Cisse, at him and missed, or at his feet. That's still spitting at someone.
The fact that you've gone to the lengths you have, to start a debate about the semantics of spitting at, on, at their feet, cultural references and shows of contempt, is the epitome of defending him.
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Where did I say that it was the people that I mix with that spat at peoples feet? I just said that I have seen plenty of it. Usually after a pushing match by two drunks in a pub or bar. I have also seen it in plenty of films and TV shows - although I'd say that it tends to be the older ones, so perhaps you are too young to remember these. Either way, spitting at someone's feet is a well known show of contempt/disrespect.
Not sure what you Googled, but here are a few examples of spitting at someone's feet in such a manner:
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yGVvAwAAQBAJ&pg=PT24&lpg=PT24&dq=%22spat+at+my+feet%22&source=bl&ots=q-1_hCLU6e&sig=CRQA82T_J4YbudcKgeAaL2a9Jjk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=aEIVVceIPMHraKC2gsAG&ved=0CEAQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=%22spat%20at%20my%20feet%22&f=false
http://pittsburgh.ihollaback.org/category/verbal-2/
http://beforeitsnews.com/eu/2015/01/jewish-like-me-swedish-reporter-wears-kippa-and-jewish-star-and-walks-around-malmo-2577030.html
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=tel:1274891
Finally, I didn't start the debate about the semantics of spitting. You have cut and paste my previous comments but failed to understand them properly - I am merely explaining them to you.
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Elvis
That first link is a fictional book.
The second link is in the US
Where is the reference to spitting in the 3rd link, both in the link and the video?
The 4th link doesn't work.
Like I said in my 30 odd years, being modest there, I've never heard of it. Spitting had always been seen as something you just don't do, even as a show of contempt.
"Either way, spitting at someone's feet is a well known show of contempt/disrespect."
Here in the UK? No it's not. If it is there should be plenty of references to it that are relevant to our culture, and that actually work. Read the link to The Guardian I posted yesterday.
posted on 27/3/15
Elvis
"I believe that he spat AT the floor in front of Cisse."
Whilst stood over Cisse who happened to be on the floor at the time.
" I am amazed that I actually have to explain what is a widely know show of contempt"
So well known you can only find reference in works of fiction and cultures of another country.
posted on 27/3/15
We live in a small world and much of the western culture recognises the same insults. I have always known that spitting on the ground at someone's feet is a show of contempt. It really isn't even worth discussing.
And ask yourself, why would an author include the fact that someone spat at another person's feet in their story if it wasn't knwon/regarded as a a show of disrespect?
posted on 27/3/15
We live in a small world and much of the western culture recognises the same insults. I have always known that spitting on the ground at someone's feet is a show of contempt. It really isn't even worth discussing.
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TBH I have heard of it and seen it and I am not 29 yet.
I didn't even bother acknowledging the point because I highly suspect Cout is just being a
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Whilst stood over Cisse who happened to be on the floor at the time.
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Actually he was in the process of getting up, but regardless the spit didn't hit him so whether he was on the floor or in a hot air balloon doesn't really make a difference...
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