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A vote for the Tories is a vote for 19th century politics
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IMO this goes for most if not all of their policies regarding education
I worry that some people will just fall back on what they know rather than really thinking about how outdated and self serving the Tories really are.
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comment by 50 (U1147)
posted 19 minutes ago
Really hope Tories do not win, this country will be ruined.
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because Labour didn't do that already?
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comment by Galvation lies within.. (U10415)
posted 1 minute ago
Look, I'm no Tory (god forbid) but I'm not so fackin one-sided and short-sided to actually believe that NewLabour didnt happen to this country.
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Who's pretending it didn't. New Labour and the Tories are the same fackin thing - People need to stop defending each one of them with accusations about the other. Fúck the lot of them.
Look, I'm no Tory (god forbid) but I'm not so fackin one-sided and short-sided to actually believe that NewLabour didnt happen to this country.
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Then you will know that New Labour were running a deficit of only 2.1% of GDP before the global banking crisis, and were only spending about 9.5% of GDP on welfare...not particularly high, by the standards of western economies.
High debt is caused by slow economic growth, and that was caused by the banking crisis. If you are going to blame the high debt on New Labour, then you have to explain why the debt has doubled over the past 5 years. If the high debt was down to “Labour’s mess”, then why has this government doubled it?
They have borrowed more money than all the Labour governments in history combined.
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comment by Wessie Road (U10652)
posted 37 minutes ago
Austerity has been discredited in just about every country in the world, except the UK and...er...Greece (but in their case it’s being imposed). Two thirds of economists in the UK, and 98% of economists in the US, think that austerity policies are a bust.
If you get interest rates down to 0%, and people are still not spending more, that’s the point at which even the dullest of dullards with 19th century ideas can see that austerity is harming the economy, (at least you would think so).
A vote for the Tories is a vote for 19th century politics, and a vote for the continuation of 100 years of economic decline, which they have presided over for 60% of that time.
They are as thick as pigsh.it, and still think a modern economy should be run along the same lines as a school tuck-shop.
I am voting for anybody who isn’t Tory or UKIP: if the only alternative was Ronald McDonald, he’d get my vote.
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I have to say I find the argument that we mustn't pass on debt to the next generation quite amusing. First of all, whilst the gov't have failed in their pledge to eliminate the deficit, they have also added more to the national debt than all the labour govt's in history combined and borrowed more in 5 years than labour did in 13.
Secondly, why do we not want to leave the next generation to pick up the burden of the deficit? So that they don't have to suffer from austerity? Well that's happening now. Why is it ok to impose austerity on this generation if it is not ok to impose it on the next generation?
Get the deficit down at a slower pace, by growing the economy and increasing tax revenues. Not reducing it on the back of the most vulnerable people in society, which is what the Tories are in power to do. History has told us time and time again who the Tories represent.
policies on finances and cutting services are so closely tied its pretty pointless, as is their thoughts on foreign policy.
But there are 2 constitutional changes that I would like to see to make this country better and labour are currently the best chance of me seeing them.
1. remove the police commissioner elected posts, I don't want politics interfering with the police when it comes to implementing the law. They were sham elections that cost the country 100m that it couldn't afford and continues to drain money. It was done on the back of the Politian's being unable to control the police looking into the news of the world phone hacking scandal which Politian's didn't want being realised, and is enormously dangerous to the rule of law and democracy.
2. Make televised debates statutory, and further than that make the general election day and national holiday, otherwise the people are not informed enough or potentially are unable to find time in the day to vote.
I have to say I find the argument that we mustn't pass on debt to the next generation quite amusing.
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Yes, it's strange, isn't it? We mustn't pass on debt to the next generation, but we saddle them with 30k of student debt before they even start working. How does that work?
The national debt stood at 250% of GDP at the end of WW2 (ie. 3 times higher than it is now), and Attlee's government went on the biggest spending-spree in history, creating the NHS, building council houses for returning soldiers, etc.
But the debt went DOWN, so spending multiple times more than any of the current parties are offering to spend did NOT fvck up the next generation...quite the opposite.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ramesh-patel/growth-cameron-austerity_b_2007552.html
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/dec/29/labour-government-not-responsible-crash-bank-england-governor-mervyn-king
Puts economy stuff into context a bit more
comment by The Ace Face (U18814)
posted 37 minutes ago
http://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/308006
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Almost three weeks ago. Our poll now may change
Wessie road is doing a great job of putting me off the Tories to be honest. Not that it matters as i live in a labour stronghold
Don't believe the Labour lies. The Tories are always forced into the difficult decisions by them
The plan is working. Don't go back to square one
comment by Super Kami Guru (U9880)
posted 1 minute ago
Don't believe the Labour lies. The Tories are always forced into the difficult decisions by them
The plan is working. Don't go back to square one
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If 'the plan' is to screw everyone but the rich in this country and give most young people a poor start in life to ensure the privilege remain privileged then you are right it is working!!
comment by Super Kami Guru (U9880)
posted 4 minutes ago
Don't believe the Labour lies. The Tories are always forced into the difficult decisions by them
The plan is working. Don't go back to square one
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Verbatim slogans
Don't believe the Labour lies. The Tories are always forced into the difficult decisions by them
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Over the past 115 years, the Tories have been in power for 60% of the time, but it's always somebody else's fault. (Labour have been in power for less than 30% of that time).
Labour's views have never represented mine, so if I felt I had a choice, I wouldn't vote for them. But the Tories are a fcking disaster, and I would vote for anybody to keep them out.
The lie that “austerity is working” , and that the debt was caused by government over-spending, is the biggest whopper being told in this election.
The majority of US economists don’t believe it, the majority of UK economists don’t believe it, and even Mervyn King, who was governor of the Bank of England when the banking crisis hit, doesn’t believe it.
The deficit in the last year of the Labour administration was 2.1% of GDP...lower than the deficit they inherited from the Tories in 1997. These are facts that you can check.
The deficit only leapt up when the economy was strangled by the banking crisis. If it was high because of frivolous and unnecessary spending, then why is it now at 4.8%? Why haven't you cut all of it: you've had 5 years to cut this frivolous spending? And why won't you fvckwits tell us where it is that you are intending to cut it further?
It's a blatantly transparent whopper to claim that Labour incurred debt because of frivolous spending, but that you fvckwits have doubled it only because of the banking crisis. It doesn't even add up. If it's all down to frivolous spending, why have you doubled the debt?
The second biggest whopper is that the 2m jobs you've created are real jobs. If they were, then productivity would have gone up, but instead it's gone down. How is that possible? 2m more people working, but productivity is down?
You fvckwits learned how to manipulate the unemployment figures in the 80's, and now you do it routinely.
Wessie Road
Nursing a semi here.
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posted on 5/5/15
A vote for the Tories is a vote for 19th century politics
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IMO this goes for most if not all of their policies regarding education
I worry that some people will just fall back on what they know rather than really thinking about how outdated and self serving the Tories really are.
posted on 5/5/15
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posted on 5/5/15
comment by 50 (U1147)
posted 19 minutes ago
Really hope Tories do not win, this country will be ruined.
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because Labour didn't do that already?
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posted on 5/5/15
anyone but labour
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comment by Galvation lies within.. (U10415)
posted 1 minute ago
Look, I'm no Tory (god forbid) but I'm not so fackin one-sided and short-sided to actually believe that NewLabour didnt happen to this country.
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Who's pretending it didn't. New Labour and the Tories are the same fackin thing - People need to stop defending each one of them with accusations about the other. Fúck the lot of them.
posted on 5/5/15
Look, I'm no Tory (god forbid) but I'm not so fackin one-sided and short-sided to actually believe that NewLabour didnt happen to this country.
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Then you will know that New Labour were running a deficit of only 2.1% of GDP before the global banking crisis, and were only spending about 9.5% of GDP on welfare...not particularly high, by the standards of western economies.
High debt is caused by slow economic growth, and that was caused by the banking crisis. If you are going to blame the high debt on New Labour, then you have to explain why the debt has doubled over the past 5 years. If the high debt was down to “Labour’s mess”, then why has this government doubled it?
They have borrowed more money than all the Labour governments in history combined.
posted on 5/5/15
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comment by Wessie Road (U10652)
posted 37 minutes ago
Austerity has been discredited in just about every country in the world, except the UK and...er...Greece (but in their case it’s being imposed). Two thirds of economists in the UK, and 98% of economists in the US, think that austerity policies are a bust.
If you get interest rates down to 0%, and people are still not spending more, that’s the point at which even the dullest of dullards with 19th century ideas can see that austerity is harming the economy, (at least you would think so).
A vote for the Tories is a vote for 19th century politics, and a vote for the continuation of 100 years of economic decline, which they have presided over for 60% of that time.
They are as thick as pigsh.it, and still think a modern economy should be run along the same lines as a school tuck-shop.
I am voting for anybody who isn’t Tory or UKIP: if the only alternative was Ronald McDonald, he’d get my vote.
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posted on 5/5/15
I have to say I find the argument that we mustn't pass on debt to the next generation quite amusing. First of all, whilst the gov't have failed in their pledge to eliminate the deficit, they have also added more to the national debt than all the labour govt's in history combined and borrowed more in 5 years than labour did in 13.
Secondly, why do we not want to leave the next generation to pick up the burden of the deficit? So that they don't have to suffer from austerity? Well that's happening now. Why is it ok to impose austerity on this generation if it is not ok to impose it on the next generation?
Get the deficit down at a slower pace, by growing the economy and increasing tax revenues. Not reducing it on the back of the most vulnerable people in society, which is what the Tories are in power to do. History has told us time and time again who the Tories represent.
posted on 5/5/15
policies on finances and cutting services are so closely tied its pretty pointless, as is their thoughts on foreign policy.
But there are 2 constitutional changes that I would like to see to make this country better and labour are currently the best chance of me seeing them.
1. remove the police commissioner elected posts, I don't want politics interfering with the police when it comes to implementing the law. They were sham elections that cost the country 100m that it couldn't afford and continues to drain money. It was done on the back of the Politian's being unable to control the police looking into the news of the world phone hacking scandal which Politian's didn't want being realised, and is enormously dangerous to the rule of law and democracy.
2. Make televised debates statutory, and further than that make the general election day and national holiday, otherwise the people are not informed enough or potentially are unable to find time in the day to vote.
posted on 5/5/15
I have to say I find the argument that we mustn't pass on debt to the next generation quite amusing.
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Yes, it's strange, isn't it? We mustn't pass on debt to the next generation, but we saddle them with 30k of student debt before they even start working. How does that work?
The national debt stood at 250% of GDP at the end of WW2 (ie. 3 times higher than it is now), and Attlee's government went on the biggest spending-spree in history, creating the NHS, building council houses for returning soldiers, etc.
But the debt went DOWN, so spending multiple times more than any of the current parties are offering to spend did NOT fvck up the next generation...quite the opposite.
posted on 5/5/15
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ramesh-patel/growth-cameron-austerity_b_2007552.html
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/dec/29/labour-government-not-responsible-crash-bank-england-governor-mervyn-king
Puts economy stuff into context a bit more
posted on 5/5/15
comment by The Ace Face (U18814)
posted 37 minutes ago
http://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/308006
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Almost three weeks ago. Our poll now may change
posted on 5/5/15
Wessie road is doing a great job of putting me off the Tories to be honest. Not that it matters as i live in a labour stronghold
posted on 5/5/15
Don't believe the Labour lies. The Tories are always forced into the difficult decisions by them
The plan is working. Don't go back to square one
posted on 5/5/15
comment by Super Kami Guru (U9880)
posted 1 minute ago
Don't believe the Labour lies. The Tories are always forced into the difficult decisions by them
The plan is working. Don't go back to square one
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If 'the plan' is to screw everyone but the rich in this country and give most young people a poor start in life to ensure the privilege remain privileged then you are right it is working!!
posted on 5/5/15
comment by Super Kami Guru (U9880)
posted 4 minutes ago
Don't believe the Labour lies. The Tories are always forced into the difficult decisions by them
The plan is working. Don't go back to square one
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Verbatim slogans
posted on 5/5/15
Don't believe the Labour lies. The Tories are always forced into the difficult decisions by them
==========================================================
Over the past 115 years, the Tories have been in power for 60% of the time, but it's always somebody else's fault. (Labour have been in power for less than 30% of that time).
Labour's views have never represented mine, so if I felt I had a choice, I wouldn't vote for them. But the Tories are a fcking disaster, and I would vote for anybody to keep them out.
The lie that “austerity is working” , and that the debt was caused by government over-spending, is the biggest whopper being told in this election.
The majority of US economists don’t believe it, the majority of UK economists don’t believe it, and even Mervyn King, who was governor of the Bank of England when the banking crisis hit, doesn’t believe it.
The deficit in the last year of the Labour administration was 2.1% of GDP...lower than the deficit they inherited from the Tories in 1997. These are facts that you can check.
The deficit only leapt up when the economy was strangled by the banking crisis. If it was high because of frivolous and unnecessary spending, then why is it now at 4.8%? Why haven't you cut all of it: you've had 5 years to cut this frivolous spending? And why won't you fvckwits tell us where it is that you are intending to cut it further?
It's a blatantly transparent whopper to claim that Labour incurred debt because of frivolous spending, but that you fvckwits have doubled it only because of the banking crisis. It doesn't even add up. If it's all down to frivolous spending, why have you doubled the debt?
The second biggest whopper is that the 2m jobs you've created are real jobs. If they were, then productivity would have gone up, but instead it's gone down. How is that possible? 2m more people working, but productivity is down?
You fvckwits learned how to manipulate the unemployment figures in the 80's, and now you do it routinely.
posted on 5/5/15
Wessie Road
Nursing a semi here.
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