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posted on 29/11/20

Call it what you like,mind you a sat nav could get upset.

posted on 29/11/20

comment by groovyduringthewar (U1054)
posted 32 minutes ago
Call it what you like,mind you a sat nav could get upset.
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Eh?

posted on 29/11/20

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by groovyduringthewar (U1054)
posted 32 minutes ago
Call it what you like,mind you a sat nav could get upset.
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Eh?
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Oh road name change 😂

comment by Hector (U3606)

posted on 29/11/20

I was going to comment on how upset you'd be,

posted on 29/11/20

comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 18 minutes ago
I was going to comment on how upset you'd be,
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I bet 😂

posted on 30/11/20

comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 4 hours, 43 minutes ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 14 minutes ago


If there had been an all Ireland approach to the covid pandemic travel between both jurisdictions wouldn't be an issue
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If ireland had not left the union...

If you want Irish unity, behave like it lol.

No hard border???




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Common sense approach would have been an all Ireland one



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Leo wanting north South cross border travel stopped is partitionist, right?
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In your mind that's the case

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Leo said this in a private conversation about closing the border at Christmas if you rras Belfast Telegrapgh or other papers...and already, people have been stopped travelling into Donegal from NI.




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And this translates into partionism how ?

Theres a covid pandemic and he is concerned about peoples health and livelihoods.

The numbers have been high in the 6 countys and as it happens donegal aswell. It's in the interest of both jurisdictions for travel to be limited to purely essential.

It's made absolutely no sense having separate lock down measures in operation on the island.

posted on 30/11/20

It's made absolutely no sense having separate lock down measures in operation on the island
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Good point but how far would that have helped?

Its good that this has been mentioned because if you think a coordinated covid response would have helped the islands, then imagine what an early worldwide coordinated response could have achieved.

I mean, we are just fooling around and playing nursery games here. History will judge the stupidity of the world response.

Some places, countries or regions are in lockdown or restrictions at the same time that others have not locked down or are lifting restrictions. You lock down for months and bring numbers down but somewhere else they have their own timing and recording record numbers.

Trade, travel and interaction cannot be stopped so we just end up sharing and spreading covid around the world. An early coordinated worldwide response with tiers etc and close observation of countries and regions in relation with each other could have made an absolutely massive difference in the first few months of the pandemic.

We had one country in lockdown while their next door neighbour was not etc, and in the end it was all a bit pointless. You have to question the rationale of everyone doing their own thing when the nature of covid does not recognise borders. How much or how far can you control a such a flu on your own?

posted on 30/11/20

We should learn from the past, strengthen international institutions to make them more efficient and more transparent. Truth is of the WHO had the mandate, they could have avoided the shenanigans we saw and could have nicked covid in the bud in Wuhan, leave alone the rest of the world. They are forced to rely on the nations to give them info in what's happening and you can't trust individual countries to tell you the truth.

They could have been able to send their scientists to Wuhan in November 2019 and advised that Wuhan be locked down or whatever. Instead they're more confused than anyone since they have to wait in what China says or allows.

China lied. No one knows where we would be if they had not and if we had known what we needed to know much earlier than we did. The international institutions are now just a prop and a scapegoat for governments when they fail to do their jobs or tell the truth.

posted on 30/11/20

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 9 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 18 minutes ago
I was going to comment on how upset you'd be,
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I bet 😂
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Haha.

Chomp

posted on 30/11/20

comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Son of the Soil (U1282)
posted 45 minutes ago
We should learn from the past, strengthen international institutions to make them more efficient and more transparent. Truth is of the WHO had the mandate, they could have avoided the shenanigans we saw and could have nicked covid in the bud in Wuhan, leave alone the rest of the world. They are forced to rely on the nations to give them info in what's happening and you can't trust individual countries to tell you the truth.

They could have been able to send their scientists to Wuhan in November 2019 and advised that Wuhan be locked down or whatever. Instead they're more confused than anyone since they have to wait in what China says or allows.

China lied. No one knows where we would be if they had not and if we had known what we needed to know much earlier than we did. The international institutions are now just a prop and a scapegoat for governments when they fail to do their jobs or tell the truth.


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Good post lad.

It's a bit late worrying about a corner of Ireland and borders here regarding an airborne global virus, when we all allowed millions to fly in and out of our airports from March, into Dublin and London and Belfast etc.

posted on 30/11/20

comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 6 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 4 hours, 43 minutes ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 14 minutes ago


If there had been an all Ireland approach to the covid pandemic travel between both jurisdictions wouldn't be an issue
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If ireland had not left the union...

If you want Irish unity, behave like it lol.

No hard border???




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Common sense approach would have been an all Ireland one



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Leo wanting north South cross border travel stopped is partitionist, right?
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In your mind that's the case

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Leo said this in a private conversation about closing the border at Christmas if you rras Belfast Telegrapgh or other papers...and already, people have been stopped travelling into Donegal from NI.




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And this translates into partionism how ?

Theres a covid pandemic and he is concerned about peoples health and livelihoods.

The numbers have been high in the 6 countys and as it happens donegal aswell. It's in the interest of both jurisdictions for travel to be limited to purely essential.

It's made absolutely no sense having separate lock down measures in operation on the island.
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Lockdown north and south were so different how?..We are in one now as the republic comes out of one on Wednesday.

Some implying NI is riddled while the republic is not badly affected is just wrong and it's rather sick comparing the region's, imo.

There are parts of NI and ROI with high cases and others not so bad, as we see globally and in the UK or Europe specifically.

posted on 30/11/20

Keane.


Your posts refer to, "both jurisdictions" and then want one policy, so who decides that?

Belfast has a devolved govt so does Dublin override that?

Thus ignoring the power sharing executive and GFA?

Stopping travel between north and south of Ireland at the behest of Dublin is quite a news issue, creating a hard border when it suits or suggesting northerners are not capable of behaving.

Leo saying north and south travel should stop, especially at Christmas, is partitionist and if the UK put this forward, Irish nats would likely complain.

posted on 30/11/20

Did they not say travel between and wales should stop for a time? Not sure that was an argument for welsh/English partition.

posted on 30/11/20

Exactly. Its almost like we want to convince ourselves we've done something about it, because anyone with a brain should see the folly of a disorganised and uncoordinated global response. Eventually everyone falls.

Clichés about being stronger when united are sometimes clichés because they are true. Covid has cumulatively whooped our collective behinds. We ought to be a little embarassed, can do much better, and room for improvement is there.

We need to take the lessons and be ahead of these things going forward, instead of reacting to them. We need to be able to detect this in its early stages, take measures so that the world doesn't even know there was a threat. I look at covid and that's very possible IMO. That actually happening is another matter altogether though.

posted on 30/11/20

good old government propaganda to start the week

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoBkzyEWMAE2U4K?format=jpg&name=900x900

posted on 30/11/20

comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 15 hours, 26 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Rampant (U3126)
posted 6 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 15 hours, 57 minutes ago
Simon Jack @BBCSimonJack
no deal Brexit will annihilate UK farmers and fishing fleets. former cabinet secretary told me -“nothing is forever”. It’s a matter of fact that 70% of fish caught in UK waters is sold to EU and 70% of fish consumed in UK is from Norway/Iceland waters. Complicated for 0.1% of GDP

Brexit Britain
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Best get a deal then.

Why did farmers and fishermen vote leave?

Having control of your own waters and land and selling to others .....madness.

The EEC was set up to enhance trade and the UK never signed up to a new EU political super state...it's about economic co-operation, not centralizing power in Brussels.

Many people feel that way and voted accordingly, especially farmers regarding hostility to the CAP and fishermen on where and how they can fish in the EU.

Posting brexit Britain or Fook brexit, years after the peoples vote, is a sign of repeating the same silly mantra and a sign of madness.

It's done, make it work and stop refusing to accept democracy, you teary Trumps.

Many of you told us jezza and Abbott were the answer, lmao.
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The UK was at the forefront of setting up the political institutions TBAB. Over the years it was also politically convenient (unlike other member states) for the UK government to devolve/offset a host of competencies to the EU.

In regard to fishing, this is a great forensic thread detailing the UK/EU relationship over the last 40 years:

https://twitter.com/EmporersNewC/status/1320988597147869184?s=19
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I get that, wwspd.

The UK and Tories especially wanted to join the big business capitalist club known as the EEC, to increase trade and profits...Maggie was all over it, while opposition came from the Labour benches in the form of Tony Benn and Corbyn.

However, it was meant to be economic and not a political union leasing to a Super state, so people in the UK were eurosceptic, on left and right.

I know we were keen members, but somewhere along the way the Brussels administration lost the trust of millions of British people, especially farmers, fishermen and small businesses.

I get that Labour and Tory were key players in linking our future to that of the eu, but they did not bring the masses with them in so doing..that was a massive mistake.

Like the remain campaign, eu membership was not sold positively, but rather leaving was used to spread fear.

We were told that unemployment and recession and terror would come right after the June 2016 vote...much more of a lie than the 350m bus ad.

We were told brexit would lead to war in Ireland over a border, but this year, Leo and Dublin have stopped north South travel, based on covid...and in a private conversation Leo said he would stop travel between NI and the republic over Christmas...so a hard border is ok if Leo wants one.

People are now being told not to cross the border between Derry and Donegal for example, but if the Brits did that....

Leo said he did not want a north South border, or a border between NI and GB, but he lied, as Dublin is ok if unionists concerns are the issue.

Leo said tribally that Irish nationalists in NI would not be left behind by brexit, but he and Dublin have no such worries about unionists feeling left behind by GB, or shunned by Dublin.

We cannot go back in time and pretend like Trump that
remain won, even if that is what many want.

We in NI accept SF and Dup in govt and would have accepted a Corbyn led govt, even though the IFS and IMF warned against a John McDonnell Abbott manifesto.

That is democracy and it's time remain, like Trump, accepted that reality.

For all we know, America will not be as successful economically as it was before covid, under sleepy Joe, but he won..the End.
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TBAB, Steve Analyst looked at the political union in some forensic detail, and provided a wealth of data which established it was the UK who sought political union with Europe.As in doing so the UK could promote it's political influence throughout Europe.

I was looking for his thread the other day when I came across the fishing thread. Think it was posted last summer.

The whole narrative regarding sovereignty is fundamentally flawed in an interdependent world. In that if the UK wishes to remain ‘global’ and continue trading with partners across the world, it cannot be completely sovereign.

All countries that pool together via trade agreements, or intergovernmental organisations, or subscribe to international laws/standards, give up elements of sovereignty. How on earth the UK can be global, and at the same time be completely sovereign is anyone’s guess.

In regard to security, the UK will be less safe post Brexit as it will no longer have access to real time EU security databases, as it has rejected ECJ oversight in this competency.

The government may find it difficult to blame CV19 for this but I’m sure, blame will be outsourced non the less.

posted on 30/11/20

comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 46 minutes ago
good old government propaganda to start the week

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoBkzyEWMAE2U4K?format=jpg&name=900x900
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Not really propaganda when you read past the front page headline, they want to bring in scheme to give payments based on being environmentally friendly over land owned, the EU will most likely do a similar thing

posted on 30/11/20

comment by bmcl1987 (codename: Celtic) (U14177)
posted 1 hour, 29 minutes ago
Did they not say travel between and wales should stop for a time? Not sure that was an argument for welsh/English partition.
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They did regarding Wales, but for an irish nationalist to seek a hard border in Ireland is slightly ironic, dont you think, mate.

Perhaps Welsh nats wanted the border up between England and Wales, haha.

posted on 30/11/20

comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 46 minutes ago
good old government propaganda to start the week

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoBkzyEWMAE2U4K?format=jpg&name=900x900
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Not really propaganda when you read past the front page headline, they want to bring in scheme to give payments based on being environmentally friendly over land owned, the EU will most likely do a similar thing
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Whilst CAP is fundamentally flawed, the notion that this government is prioritising the environment post Brexit, is for the birds.

posted on 30/11/20

Wwspd.

Thanks for you reply and start afresh here as it is too long.

I am already largely convinced by many of your economic and trade arguments in relation to the eu, but I am highlighting why we got here, based on how people view the eu...rightly or wrongly.

We voted to leave and so that is democracy and like Trump, we have to respect that.

I think you should campaign to rejoin, and that is not being cheeky, mate.

posted on 30/11/20

comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Rampant (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 46 minutes ago
good old government propaganda to start the week

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoBkzyEWMAE2U4K?format=jpg&name=900x900
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Not really propaganda when you read past the front page headline, they want to bring in scheme to give payments based on being environmentally friendly over land owned, the EU will most likely do a similar thing
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Whilst CAP is fundamentally flawed, the notion that this government is prioritising the environment post Brexit, is for the birds.
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In relation to leave, I think we should differentiate between brexit/ the leave votets and this bojo govt...they are not the same thing at all as millions of Labour voters were leave.

I voted leave, but never voted Tory in my life.

This govt can mess up everything they touch, but that is a different argument.imo

posted on 30/11/20

comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Son of the Soil (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 35 minutes ago
Exactly. Its almost like we want to convince ourselves we've done something about it, because anyone with a brain should see the folly of a disorganised and uncoordinated global response. Eventually everyone falls.

Clichés about being stronger when united are sometimes clichés because they are true. Covid has cumulatively whooped our collective behinds. We ought to be a little embarassed, can do much better, and room for improvement is there.

We need to take the lessons and be ahead of these things going forward, instead of reacting to them. We need to be able to detect this in its early stages, take measures so that the world doesn't even know there was a threat. I look at covid and that's very possible IMO. That actually happening is another matter altogether though.
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Another good post, lad.

posted on 30/11/20

We voted to leave and so that is democracy and like Trump, we have to respect that.

No, it’s not democracy. Elections are legally binding, referendums are not. You keep on peddling this rubbish like it makes any sense.

posted on 30/11/20

comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Rampant (U3126)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 46 minutes ago
good old government propaganda to start the week

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoBkzyEWMAE2U4K?format=jpg&name=900x900
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Not really propaganda when you read past the front page headline, they want to bring in scheme to give payments based on being environmentally friendly over land owned, the EU will most likely do a similar thing
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Whilst CAP is fundamentally flawed, the notion that this government is prioritising the environment post Brexit, is for the birds.
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That's the article

posted on 30/11/20

comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 9 minutes ago
Wwspd.

Thanks for you reply and start afresh here as it is too long.

I am already largely convinced by many of your economic and trade arguments in relation to the eu, but I am highlighting why we got here, based on how people view the eu...rightly or wrongly.

We voted to leave and so that is democracy and like Trump, we have to respect that.

I think you should campaign to rejoin, and that is not being cheeky, mate.

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Can't see that (rejoining) happening anytime soon. Have mentioned before but can see the UK ending up like the Swiss, in continual negotiations in regard to market access.

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