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posted on 28/3/20

Truly tragic figures coming out of Italy and Spain

Hopefully the U.K. looks at this and puts a full lockdown on everyone but essential key workers. People are still flouting the “lockdown” we have now. How many lives must we all lose until everyone understands the severity of this?

posted on 28/3/20

comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 14 minutes ago
New. And wow.

Conservatives 54%
Labour 26%

"No conservative government has ever had such a poll rating"

72% satisfied with Johnson
73% satisfied with the Gvt
77% satisfied with @RishiSunak

Source: NumberCruncher Politics
https://t.co/EWOtr0JHIL


Give it 3 weeks and it will be a lot lower
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Turns out the twitter politicisation including petty point scoring of a global crisis isn't popular with normal people.

posted on 28/3/20

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 10 minutes ago
New. And wow.

Conservatives 54%
Labour 26%

"No conservative government has ever had such a poll rating"

72% satisfied with Johnson
73% satisfied with the Gvt
77% satisfied with @RishiSunak

Source: NumberCruncher Politics
https://t.co/EWOtr0JHIL


Give it 3 weeks and it will be a lot lower
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Why do you believe that? Are you expecting something we don’t? This isn’t a dig btw. Genuine question.

I think (fwiw) the government have been very clear for some time that we expect a significant rise in deaths. The building of new hospitals and morgues all point to that so everyone knows, yet still we have these high approval ratings.
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The twitter mob have this minimum requirement of the government to magically eradicate this disease simply because we had a 2 week head start on Italy. Anything less and they are murderers.

posted on 28/3/20

comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 39 seconds ago
I think the media are still doing such a fantastic job of shielding him, haven't seen much mention of his failure to join the european wide procurement initiative at all.

Nor the time lapses for their action comparative to other states. He won't be held to account.
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Eh? I think the media are all over him like a rash. (Pardon the pun)

Every night they practically interrogate him.

Has the EU initiative managed to procure equipment before the U.K.? How will they allocate it once it starts to arrive? Who gets priority? Those with the highest death tolls, those who have stricter lockdowns, per capita?

All we are led to believe is they got a bulk discount from what I have read.

Genuine questions not asked or interrogated as far as I know.

And after all that what other collaboration is there in the EU on all of this? Every country is looking after itself and have completely different approaches.

posted on 28/3/20

comment by Admin1 (U1)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
https://twitter.com/murtaman/status/1243545297206358017

If you look at the growth of the percentage of tests returning positive, it further debunks the Oxford model. If we were at anything close to 50 percent you wouldn't see this. As the probability of the person presenting symptoms at the hospital to the point of being admitted and having covid would be far higher than we are seeing.
On the 16th of march it was 3.5 percent, and has risen to 30 percent as of yesterday.
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Not one of these tests have figures for the people who have self isolated without any hospital, doctor, calling in or any other contact that would allow their numbers to be included.

And then there are many; if not more who simply had no symptoms that led them to believe it was anything but “a bit of a bug or a flu” and just carried on as near to normal as they could. That last group include me and two of my sons. None of us are in any statistic.

Sorry but I just don’t buy into a single one of these theories without evidence from mass testing. Until then I remain hopeful.

comment by Blarmy (U14547)

posted on 28/3/20

He was ahead of Australia tbf

posted on 28/3/20

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 39 seconds ago
I think the media are still doing such a fantastic job of shielding him, haven't seen much mention of his failure to join the european wide procurement initiative at all.

Nor the time lapses for their action comparative to other states. He won't be held to account.
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Eh? I think the media are all over him like a rash. (Pardon the pun)

Every night they practically interrogate him.

Has the EU initiative managed to procure equipment before the U.K.? How will they allocate it once it starts to arrive? Who gets priority? Those with the highest death tolls, those who have stricter lockdowns, per capita?

All we are led to believe is they got a bulk discount from what I have read.

Genuine questions not asked or interrogated as far as I know.

And after all that what other collaboration is there in the EU on all of this? Every country is looking after itself and have completely different approaches.
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I cannot believe that otherwise intelligent people who vote Labour still bang this media drum.

As was proved by the crumbling red wall at the GE you don't have to read the Mail or the Telegraph to vote Tory.

As Ginger says he has had a monster grilling from the media lately (infact they are far better at it than the useless lame duck Labour party) and it hasn't done him any harm.

comment by Blarmy (U14547)

posted on 28/3/20

You guys arent dealing with ScoMo in charge

Trust me it could be worse

posted on 28/3/20

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2238834-will-a-home-antibody-test-for-covid-19-really-be-a-game-changer

posted on 28/3/20

comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 1 minute ago
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2238834-will-a-home-antibody-test-for-covid-19-really-be-a-game-changer
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Anything that helps us understand the numbers even allowing for variances has to help. We’ve been told quite succinctly to “Test, test, test and test again” have we not?

The more we develop testing kits and the more people we test the better. The alternative is not testing enough.

comment by Blarmy (U14547)

posted on 28/3/20

We can talk about how the WHO mishandled this as well maybe

I know these bodies are sacred to certain posters on here but...

posted on 28/3/20

koreans have the best data so far, as they have tested alot more than most other countries

their figures say 20% of infections are asymptomatic

posted on 28/3/20

Comparing the number and growth of cases country to country is completely meaningless.

From a public health perspective, the only case-related statistical measure in terms of the relative success in the management of the virus is fatalities, and then only when heavily and carefully contextualised.

posted on 28/3/20

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 1 minute ago
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2238834-will-a-home-antibody-test-for-covid-19-really-be-a-game-changer
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Anything that helps us understand the numbers even allowing for variances has to help. We’ve been told quite succinctly to “Test, test, test and test again” have we not?

The more we develop testing kits and the more people we test the better. The alternative is not testing enough.
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I think the takeaway from the article is basically common sense.

If the data isn't accurate it's worthless, but that if the method of obtaining it is, or we can have a sort of "sense check" (two different types of test for confirmation) then testing is capable of blowing this virus away.

Globally the scientific effort has been amazing

posted on 28/3/20

comment by peks..#free el chapo (U6618)
posted 2 minutes ago
koreans have the best data so far, as they have tested alot more than most other countries

their figures say 20% of infections are asymptomatic
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Iceland too have done mass population screening.

posted on 28/3/20

comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 1 minute ago
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2238834-will-a-home-antibody-test-for-covid-19-really-be-a-game-changer
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Anything that helps us understand the numbers even allowing for variances has to help. We’ve been told quite succinctly to “Test, test, test and test again” have we not?

The more we develop testing kits and the more people we test the better. The alternative is not testing enough.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think the takeaway from the article is basically common sense.

If the data isn't accurate it's worthless, but that if the method of obtaining it is, or we can have a sort of "sense check" (two different types of test for confirmation) then testing is capable of blowing this virus away.

Globally the scientific effort has been amazing
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Apart from world war time there has never to my knowledge been such a collective scientific approach to something like this.

We’re already human testing and it’s reached the stage where they are asking for the rules to be relaxed to deliberately infect healthy specimens in decent numbers to allow that affects to be measured far more quickly against placebos than ever before and now talking of a few months rather than the years as normal. Success depending of course.

posted on 28/3/20

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 1 minute ago
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2238834-will-a-home-antibody-test-for-covid-19-really-be-a-game-changer
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Anything that helps us understand the numbers even allowing for variances has to help. We’ve been told quite succinctly to “Test, test, test and test again” have we not?

The more we develop testing kits and the more people we test the better. The alternative is not testing enough.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think the takeaway from the article is basically common sense.

If the data isn't accurate it's worthless, but that if the method of obtaining it is, or we can have a sort of "sense check" (two different types of test for confirmation) then testing is capable of blowing this virus away.

Globally the scientific effort has been amazing
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Apart from world war time there has never to my knowledge been such a collective scientific approach to something like this.

We’re already human testing and it’s reached the stage where they are asking for the rules to be relaxed to deliberately infect healthy specimens in decent numbers to allow that affects to be measured far more quickly against placebos than ever before and now talking of a few months rather than the years as normal. Success depending of course.
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Its my biggest takeaway from this, I know the key workers have been absolute stars but the rate at which human ingenuity has pulled together globally to rise to such a challenge is amazing.

Global warming needs coronavirus'a publicist..

posted on 28/3/20

comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by peks..#free el chapo (U6618)
posted 2 minutes ago
koreans have the best data so far, as they have tested alot more than most other countries

their figures say 20% of infections are asymptomatic
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Iceland too have done mass population screening.
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And they are doing g two pizzas for the price of one
The world realises we are all essentially the same and acts collectively
Maybe the start of something big

posted on 28/3/20

comment by Zachsda(change our mindset, treat this serious... (U1850)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by peks..#free el chapo (U6618)
posted 2 minutes ago
koreans have the best data so far, as they have tested alot more than most other countries

their figures say 20% of infections are asymptomatic
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Iceland too have done mass population screening.
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And they are doing g two pizzas for the price of one
The world realises we are all essentially the same and acts collectively
Maybe the start of something big
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Sorry?

Again please.

For the price of.....?

posted on 28/3/20

comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 1 minute ago
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2238834-will-a-home-antibody-test-for-covid-19-really-be-a-game-changer
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Anything that helps us understand the numbers even allowing for variances has to help. We’ve been told quite succinctly to “Test, test, test and test again” have we not?

The more we develop testing kits and the more people we test the better. The alternative is not testing enough.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think the takeaway from the article is basically common sense.

If the data isn't accurate it's worthless, but that if the method of obtaining it is, or we can have a sort of "sense check" (two different types of test for confirmation) then testing is capable of blowing this virus away.

Globally the scientific effort has been amazing
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Apart from world war time there has never to my knowledge been such a collective scientific approach to something like this.

We’re already human testing and it’s reached the stage where they are asking for the rules to be relaxed to deliberately infect healthy specimens in decent numbers to allow that affects to be measured far more quickly against placebos than ever before and now talking of a few months rather than the years as normal. Success depending of course.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Its my biggest takeaway from this, I know the key workers have been absolute stars but the rate at which human ingenuity has pulled together globally to rise to such a challenge is amazing.

Global warming needs coronavirus'a publicist..
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posted on 28/3/20

The last time it pulled together was for the Manhattan Project.. this time it's to save lives.

posted on 28/3/20

How is the lockdown? I spoke to my parents today who live in a small leafy market town. Yesterday was market day and the town was heaving. 🤦‍♂️

posted on 28/3/20

comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 42 seconds ago
How is the lockdown? I spoke to my parents today who live in a small leafy market town. Yesterday was market day and the town was heaving. 🤦‍♂️
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What?

We went a walk up the shops just now and it’s as dead as a dodo.

Small queue outside Waitrose but walked straight into the other two shops and just came home. Empty streets.

comment by Dave (U11711)

posted on 28/3/20

No, the last time has been going on for years.

The scientific community has produced an astoundingly comprehensive body of work on MMCC, that has provided so much evidence across so many different scientific disciplines that no one could read it all and have time left each year for even a cheeky vvank!

The immediacy isn't there and we're mostly too selfish to do anything meaningful about it.

posted on 28/3/20

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 42 seconds ago
How is the lockdown? I spoke to my parents today who live in a small leafy market town. Yesterday was market day and the town was heaving. 🤦‍♂️
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What?

We went a walk up the shops just now and it’s as dead as a dodo.

Small queue outside Waitrose but walked straight into the other two shops and just came home. Empty streets.
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To make it even more bizarre, the supermarket were restricting numbers from entering and following social distancing rules.

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