Football doesn't work like that.
The expectations are higher at lfc.
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Are you being serious?
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Yeah, good manager brought to club. Signs goods players for less money than Brendan. Yes, quite serious.
Ah come on ARE you know it's not that simple
Er…I think this is the same logic we used for hiring Brendan.
He's doing a terrific job there. Ayew is an absolute steal. They were missing their best players today as well in Montero.
While I agree it's not as simple as saying he'd do better at Liverpool, because with a bigger club comes bigger pressure. But yes, he is better than Rodgers.
There's gonna be maybe results like this throughout the season, if we say that about every manager who picks up points after every result against a big team we'll be coveting most managers in the league by the end of the season.
Koeman last year, Monk this year, Rodgers a few years ago, Pulis .... The list goes on and on. Fair play to Monk but the fact is the so called by teams are well below par.
Chelesea's league winning side last year was the poorest side I've ever seen win any league - they deserved to as they were better than the rest of us
I just think the game is more simple than its made out to be. The manager is really the only important signing that the owners make. The rest flows without much effort as long as the backing is there.
Brendan has the backing and this is his make or break season as far as I'm concerned.
Yes, he is doing a good job there, and good luck to him, they are a popular club.
But Brendan did a good job there, too, which attracted the interest of both us and Chelsea.
It doesn't always follow that if you do a good job on a restricted budget, you will do an even better job with more money (and different pressures and expectations).
That is the logic we used for hiring Brendan, and that United used for hiring Moyes, Gary Monk may or may not do better with Swansea than Brendan did, it's early days yet.
There's gonna be maybe results like this throughout the season, if we say that about every manager who picks up points after every result against a big team we'll be coveting most managers in the league by the end of the season.
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Are most managers going to pick up points against the bigger teams this season?
It's a flippant point admittedly, but Monk does seem to be a cut above most, given his record since taking charge at Swansea. The guy deserves credit, and to be honest, it's not a bad shout that the OP makes. I just get the feeling that Monk will end up being a very very good manager.
Well if he keeps the results coming for the next 12-18 months then I'm sure he'll get the opportunity with someone.
Impressed with Ayew. Really impressed. Again, he'll need to keep this level up but from what he's done so far you'd wonder why Swansea didn't have competition from larger clubs to sign him. Especially as it was a free!
He probably would do a better job than most managers at the top clubs.I think the saying “Football is a simple game, complicated by idiots" rings true with most.
There is a big difference buying players for a middleish prem team and trying to buy players that can get you top 4. Even those players who are bought for peanuts and go on to smash it for average teams are very rarely actually good enough to make the step up. Striker are the best example as they can score for fun right up until they join a side who faces a team happy to sit back and defend every week. Plus the pressure as already mentioned.
If Monk buys 5 players and four are pretty good and one is a class act then that is great for Swansea. Would we say the same for a top 6 team trying to get CL? You need 2 or 3 of those 5 to be class acts and you wont manage that spending sub ten million on every player you buy.
comment by KingKenny (U1961)
posted 50 seconds ago
There is a big difference buying players for a middleish prem team and trying to buy players that can get you top 4. Even those players who are bought for peanuts and go on to smash it for average teams are very rarely actually good enough to make the step up. Striker are the best example as they can score for fun right up until they join a side who faces a team happy to sit back and defend every week. Plus the pressure as already mentioned.
If Monk buys 5 players and four are pretty good and one is a class act then that is great for Swansea. Would we say the same for a top 6 team trying to get CL? You need 2 or 3 of those 5 to be class acts and you wont manage that spending sub ten million on every player you buy.
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You make some good points. Also I do think there's an extra incentive for the smaller teams playing the bigger teams than the other way round, because they will feel they have less to lose. Managing a big club you will almost always be expected to win a large portion of the games. I suppose that comes back to the pressure thing.
Op...if Ranieri can do that(3rd place) with Leicester? If Pardew can do that with Palace(beat CFC at SB)?
i dont see ehat ur point is? 4 games in and what, Monk should be LFC manager??
Are most managers going to pick up points against the bigger teams this season?
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They already have; Bilic at the Emirates and Anfield, Pardew at Stamford Bridge, Monk today, and Martinez at Spurs (only joking).
It's not uncommon at this stage of the season, but it gets harder as the season wears on. If Monk keeps it up throughout the season, he'll get his chance somewhere,
but Rodgers was getting plaudits at Swansea, too: it's an indicator, but far from an infallible one.
It's not an unreasonable point, but I doubt that anybody would have suggested this after Swansea drew at Sunderland, it needs to be looked at over a period of a couple of seasons.
Also, I think Rodgers was picked up because he had such a clear style of play that was working wonders rather than just picking up good signings (which no one ever has done consistently). Ironically, that style of play has changed now due to varying pressures.
They already have; Bilic at the Emirates and Anfield, Pardew at Stamford Bridge, Monk today, and Martinez at Spurs (only joking).
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Most managers already have? You've named three managers (discounting your joke about Martinez). That is not most managers.
But again, it's a flippant point.
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Most managers already have? You've named three managers (discounting your joke about Martinez). That is
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OK, I misunderstood your point, but of the 12 games they play against the top 6, most managers (ie. more than 50%) probably will win one or two of them, won't they?
I dunno, it's not worth looking up..
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posted on 30/8/15
Football doesn't work like that.
posted on 30/8/15
Let's hire ranieri
posted on 30/8/15
Are you being serious?
posted on 30/8/15
The expectations are higher at lfc.
posted on 30/8/15
posted 47 seconds ago
Are you being serious?
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Yeah, good manager brought to club. Signs goods players for less money than Brendan. Yes, quite serious.
posted on 30/8/15
Ah come on ARE you know it's not that simple
posted on 30/8/15
Er…I think this is the same logic we used for hiring Brendan.
posted on 30/8/15
He's doing a terrific job there. Ayew is an absolute steal. They were missing their best players today as well in Montero.
posted on 30/8/15
While I agree it's not as simple as saying he'd do better at Liverpool, because with a bigger club comes bigger pressure. But yes, he is better than Rodgers.
posted on 30/8/15
There's gonna be maybe results like this throughout the season, if we say that about every manager who picks up points after every result against a big team we'll be coveting most managers in the league by the end of the season.
posted on 30/8/15
Many*
posted on 30/8/15
Koeman last year, Monk this year, Rodgers a few years ago, Pulis .... The list goes on and on. Fair play to Monk but the fact is the so called by teams are well below par.
Chelesea's league winning side last year was the poorest side I've ever seen win any league - they deserved to as they were better than the rest of us
posted on 30/8/15
I just think the game is more simple than its made out to be. The manager is really the only important signing that the owners make. The rest flows without much effort as long as the backing is there.
Brendan has the backing and this is his make or break season as far as I'm concerned.
posted on 30/8/15
Yes, he is doing a good job there, and good luck to him, they are a popular club.
But Brendan did a good job there, too, which attracted the interest of both us and Chelsea.
It doesn't always follow that if you do a good job on a restricted budget, you will do an even better job with more money (and different pressures and expectations).
That is the logic we used for hiring Brendan, and that United used for hiring Moyes, Gary Monk may or may not do better with Swansea than Brendan did, it's early days yet.
posted on 30/8/15
There's gonna be maybe results like this throughout the season, if we say that about every manager who picks up points after every result against a big team we'll be coveting most managers in the league by the end of the season.
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Are most managers going to pick up points against the bigger teams this season?
It's a flippant point admittedly, but Monk does seem to be a cut above most, given his record since taking charge at Swansea. The guy deserves credit, and to be honest, it's not a bad shout that the OP makes. I just get the feeling that Monk will end up being a very very good manager.
posted on 30/8/15
Well if he keeps the results coming for the next 12-18 months then I'm sure he'll get the opportunity with someone.
Impressed with Ayew. Really impressed. Again, he'll need to keep this level up but from what he's done so far you'd wonder why Swansea didn't have competition from larger clubs to sign him. Especially as it was a free!
posted on 30/8/15
He probably would do a better job than most managers at the top clubs.I think the saying “Football is a simple game, complicated by idiots" rings true with most.
posted on 30/8/15
There is a big difference buying players for a middleish prem team and trying to buy players that can get you top 4. Even those players who are bought for peanuts and go on to smash it for average teams are very rarely actually good enough to make the step up. Striker are the best example as they can score for fun right up until they join a side who faces a team happy to sit back and defend every week. Plus the pressure as already mentioned.
If Monk buys 5 players and four are pretty good and one is a class act then that is great for Swansea. Would we say the same for a top 6 team trying to get CL? You need 2 or 3 of those 5 to be class acts and you wont manage that spending sub ten million on every player you buy.
posted on 30/8/15
comment by KingKenny (U1961)
posted 50 seconds ago
There is a big difference buying players for a middleish prem team and trying to buy players that can get you top 4. Even those players who are bought for peanuts and go on to smash it for average teams are very rarely actually good enough to make the step up. Striker are the best example as they can score for fun right up until they join a side who faces a team happy to sit back and defend every week. Plus the pressure as already mentioned.
If Monk buys 5 players and four are pretty good and one is a class act then that is great for Swansea. Would we say the same for a top 6 team trying to get CL? You need 2 or 3 of those 5 to be class acts and you wont manage that spending sub ten million on every player you buy.
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You make some good points. Also I do think there's an extra incentive for the smaller teams playing the bigger teams than the other way round, because they will feel they have less to lose. Managing a big club you will almost always be expected to win a large portion of the games. I suppose that comes back to the pressure thing.
posted on 30/8/15
Op...if Ranieri can do that(3rd place) with Leicester? If Pardew can do that with Palace(beat CFC at SB)?
i dont see ehat ur point is? 4 games in and what, Monk should be LFC manager??
posted on 30/8/15
Are most managers going to pick up points against the bigger teams this season?
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They already have; Bilic at the Emirates and Anfield, Pardew at Stamford Bridge, Monk today, and Martinez at Spurs (only joking).
It's not uncommon at this stage of the season, but it gets harder as the season wears on. If Monk keeps it up throughout the season, he'll get his chance somewhere,
but Rodgers was getting plaudits at Swansea, too: it's an indicator, but far from an infallible one.
It's not an unreasonable point, but I doubt that anybody would have suggested this after Swansea drew at Sunderland, it needs to be looked at over a period of a couple of seasons.
posted on 30/8/15
Also, I think Rodgers was picked up because he had such a clear style of play that was working wonders rather than just picking up good signings (which no one ever has done consistently). Ironically, that style of play has changed now due to varying pressures.
posted on 30/8/15
They already have; Bilic at the Emirates and Anfield, Pardew at Stamford Bridge, Monk today, and Martinez at Spurs (only joking).
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Most managers already have? You've named three managers (discounting your joke about Martinez). That is not most managers.
But again, it's a flippant point.
posted on 30/8/15
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posted on 30/8/15
Most managers already have? You've named three managers (discounting your joke about Martinez). That is
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OK, I misunderstood your point, but of the 12 games they play against the top 6, most managers (ie. more than 50%) probably will win one or two of them, won't they?
I dunno, it's not worth looking up..
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