I wouldn't take Wilshere to any tournament as he's too much of a risk.
It doesn't matter who he plays for, or whether he is or isn't better than any of the alternatives. The reality is that the chances of nursing him through an entire tournament campaign are extremely unlikely.
He has talent, albeit he hasn't really kicked on from when he first arrived on the scene. However his glass ankles mean he will rarely get the chance to show whether he really is as good as some people seem to think.
Hector
He's their Darren Anderton
How do you work that out, Anderton played just one game under 500 club appearances. Anderton was nowhere as injury prone as the modern players. Wilshire will be lucky to make half the appearances Anderton made, as indeed a lot of the other modern sicknotes like Walcott and Sturridge.
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posted 8 hours, 30 minutes ago
How so? That bit of play was good but nothing to write home about. Put it this way, he wouldn't get near any of the top 4 teams midfields.
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Yes it's comments like that which make me think you don't really know what you're talking about.
Would get near?
Clueless.
He's better than Fernandinho, Delph and Fernando for a start. He'd get games at Chelsea ahead of Mikel and probably Ramires. He's a better passer than Schniederlin and Arteta and Flamini get games for your lot!
You didn't even watch the game and just like analog you watch some youtube and think you've been to the game!
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posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Andre's Samba Scarf (U6253)
posted 8 hours, 30 minutes ago
How so? That bit of play was good but nothing to write home about. Put it this way, he wouldn't get near any of the top 4 teams midfields.
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Yes it's comments like that which make me think you don't really know what you're talking about.
Would get near?
Clueless.
He's better than Fernandinho, Delph and Fernando for a start. He'd get games at Chelsea ahead of Mikel and probably Ramires. He's a better passer than Schniederlin and Arteta and Flamini get games for your lot!
You didn't even watch the game and just like analog you watch some youtube and think you've been to the game!
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You have to go to the game to correctly assess a player?
Then how can you say with confidence that he's a better player than Fernandinho, using that logic, as you don't go to City games. Unless you're assuming we never watch Liverpool play even on TV, and solely go off MOTD etc...?
Btw Fernandinho is easily better than Henderson
You really need to sort out your embellishment or if you can't allow others the same.
Can only challenge the one name!
You can add pedantry to your ever increasing list.
Wouldn't start for Chelsea
Wouldn't start for Arsenal
Wouldn't start for City
Wouldn't start for United
I disagree. I think there are plenty of games he would start at those clubs.
You saw what happened when Utd paired Carrick, the player you laughably think should represent England ahead of Henderson because all Henderson does is pass "backwards" (comedy gold that one btw - you were not allowed to drink when Carrick was having his best form and was being labelled a crab by his own fans) with Sweinstiger.
Ramsey has some exceptionally average games for Arsenal. City's CM is really not all that and Delph was starting games let alone Fernando. Chelsea have no depth at CM.
It's amusing that Wilshere actually doesn't start for Arsenal and they shunt him to the wing sometimes.
comment by Rauben_Hoody - genuinely finding a lack of coefficient points exciting (U6374)
posted 16 seconds ago
I disagree. I think there are plenty of games he would start at those clubs.
You saw what happened when Utd paired Carrick, the player you laughably think should represent England ahead of Henderson because all Henderson does is pass "backwards" (comedy gold that one btw - you were not allowed to drink when Carrick was having his best form and was being labelled a crab by his own fans) with Sweinstiger.
Ramsey has some exceptionally average games for Arsenal. City's CM is really not all that and Delph was starting games let alone Fernando. Chelsea have no depth at CM.
It's amusing that Wilshere actually doesn't start for Arsenal and they shunt him to the wing sometimes.
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1) I didn't say all Henderson does is pass backwards so you're just making stuff up there
2) The opinion of United fans means nothing to me - Carrick passes between the lines more than most
3) Wilshere always starts for Arsenal when fit - and Henderson isn't better than Ramsey
4) Delph has been injured so I'm not sure where you're getting your info on him starting games for them. Like I said, Fernandinho is comfortably better than Henderson
Yes but what's the point? So ingrained are your views there is no point in debate. You've made some quite frankly ignorant and poorly researched comments backed up by nothing other than a rather arrogant opinion and even undermined yourself by mentioning a 35 year Carrick who I would argue is also unable to “bypass” players.
Half your posts are massive leaps not based on what people have actually written anyway.
Spurious at best I genuinely don't think you know the game.
Things you have said about Henderson:
“Carthorse”
“he has to touch it back towards his goal first” – does he?
“he always has to pass it back to the defender” – you sure?
We'll ignore the stats that blow all of this out of the water, or the fact he can manipulate a ball which is why he has played many games at RW in his career. I could go on tbh but as said what's the point?
As others have said you don't really like your opinion being challenged and I strongly suspect no-one has ever changed it.
Stick to youtube.
He wouldn't get near the first xis, as in there's no chance any top 4 manager would swap him for one of their starters. A squad place sure, he's better than Flamini and Mikel ofc.
That video was used as an example. I've seen him play plenty of times. The fact that you thought that vid showed him being good is laughable. Videos showing a players every moment in a match are valuable, its highlight reels in lower leagues that are useless.
I am glad you are happy with him but I suspect klopp will be aiming higher as time goes on.
Hendo is a decent player, I think often a negative (or positive, tbf) reputation of a player takes a long time to shed.
Based on the past 12 months he's on a similar sort of level as Ramsey
Henderson is a good, not great player. Will do you a job but is in no way a match winner or of the quality to be a key player in a championship winning side.
Works hard, good technique striking the ball and has a good engine.
Will do you a job but is in no way a match winner or of the quality to be a key player in a championship winning side.
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Well you say that but had he not got banned for the final three games there is a good chance he would have been exactly that.
Milner has two league medals, was a key member of the squad and is not as good as Henderson.
I think some still think it's 2012. He tackles, intercepts, keeps the ball and create chances.
The fact that you thought that vid showed him being good is laughable.
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No you said it backs up analog. It clearly doesn't.
Milner was not a key player.
Lol yes it does back up analogs point. 3 or 4 times
'He tackles, intercepts, keeps the ball and create chances.'
No ones disputing that. Doesn't make him a top player.
Doesn't make him a fvcking carthorse either does it.
Milner was not a key player? Oh dear.
Playing in 89 prem games in three season winning two leagues is not key?
Jesus.
And no the vid does not back up analog at all. It shows him as a box to box midfielder who keeps the ball. When his other reference was Carrick, who is even worse at playing on the turn and "bypassing" players then it's an even more daft statement.
If his first touch was always towards goal and he always passed backwards why does he create so many chances and get so many assists from open play.
I genuinely don't think you know what you're talking about I'm afraid. In fact I don't even think you know what the thread is about!
comment by Rauben_Hoody - genuinely finding a lack of coefficient points exciting (U6374)
posted 18 minutes ago
Doesn't make him a fvcking carthorse either does it.
Milner was not a key player? Oh dear.
Playing in 89 prem games in three season winning two leagues is not key?
Jesus.
And no the vid does not back up analog at all. It shows him as a box to box midfielder who keeps the ball. When his other reference was Carrick, who is even worse at playing on the turn and "bypassing" players then it's an even more daft statement.
If his first touch was always towards goal and he always passed backwards why does he create so many chances and get so many assists from open play.
I genuinely don't think you know what you're talking about I'm afraid. In fact I don't even think you know what the thread is about!
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You know full well I never said his first touch is 'always' towards goal and that he 'always' passes backwards so I'm not sure why you continue to spew nonsense. What the vid shows is that he needs 2/3 touches to get the ball under control and face play
What the vid shows is that he needs 2/3 touches to get the ball under control and face play
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He doesn't take three touches in the entire vid I don't think. What little credibility you had has finally evaporated.
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Rauben_Hoody constantly accusing others of not understanding footy while making comments these
Making a load of appearances doesn't make one a key player. Navas made a similar amount of apps for City. Neither were key. Their key players were Aguero, Kompany, Toure, Silva, Hart, Zabaleta and Dzeko (who was a vital match winner for them that year).
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Actually he does a couple of times to be fair.
At the start of the game, the first game of the season, yeah he keeps the ball so apologies for that.
Actually had a very good first game I thought.
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posted on 15/10/15
I wouldn't take Wilshere to any tournament as he's too much of a risk.
It doesn't matter who he plays for, or whether he is or isn't better than any of the alternatives. The reality is that the chances of nursing him through an entire tournament campaign are extremely unlikely.
He has talent, albeit he hasn't really kicked on from when he first arrived on the scene. However his glass ankles mean he will rarely get the chance to show whether he really is as good as some people seem to think.
posted on 15/10/15
Hector
He's their Darren Anderton
How do you work that out, Anderton played just one game under 500 club appearances. Anderton was nowhere as injury prone as the modern players. Wilshire will be lucky to make half the appearances Anderton made, as indeed a lot of the other modern sicknotes like Walcott and Sturridge.
posted on 15/10/15
comment by Andre's Samba Scarf (U6253)
posted 8 hours, 30 minutes ago
How so? That bit of play was good but nothing to write home about. Put it this way, he wouldn't get near any of the top 4 teams midfields.
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Yes it's comments like that which make me think you don't really know what you're talking about.
Would get near?
Clueless.
He's better than Fernandinho, Delph and Fernando for a start. He'd get games at Chelsea ahead of Mikel and probably Ramires. He's a better passer than Schniederlin and Arteta and Flamini get games for your lot!
You didn't even watch the game and just like analog you watch some youtube and think you've been to the game!
posted on 15/10/15
comment by Rauben_Hoody - genuinely finding a lack of coefficient points exciting (U6374)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Andre's Samba Scarf (U6253)
posted 8 hours, 30 minutes ago
How so? That bit of play was good but nothing to write home about. Put it this way, he wouldn't get near any of the top 4 teams midfields.
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Yes it's comments like that which make me think you don't really know what you're talking about.
Would get near?
Clueless.
He's better than Fernandinho, Delph and Fernando for a start. He'd get games at Chelsea ahead of Mikel and probably Ramires. He's a better passer than Schniederlin and Arteta and Flamini get games for your lot!
You didn't even watch the game and just like analog you watch some youtube and think you've been to the game!
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You have to go to the game to correctly assess a player?
Then how can you say with confidence that he's a better player than Fernandinho, using that logic, as you don't go to City games. Unless you're assuming we never watch Liverpool play even on TV, and solely go off MOTD etc...?
Btw Fernandinho is easily better than Henderson
posted on 15/10/15
You really need to sort out your embellishment or if you can't allow others the same.
Can only challenge the one name!
You can add pedantry to your ever increasing list.
posted on 15/10/15
Wouldn't start for Chelsea
Wouldn't start for Arsenal
Wouldn't start for City
Wouldn't start for United
posted on 15/10/15
I disagree. I think there are plenty of games he would start at those clubs.
You saw what happened when Utd paired Carrick, the player you laughably think should represent England ahead of Henderson because all Henderson does is pass "backwards" (comedy gold that one btw - you were not allowed to drink when Carrick was having his best form and was being labelled a crab by his own fans) with Sweinstiger.
Ramsey has some exceptionally average games for Arsenal. City's CM is really not all that and Delph was starting games let alone Fernando. Chelsea have no depth at CM.
It's amusing that Wilshere actually doesn't start for Arsenal and they shunt him to the wing sometimes.
posted on 15/10/15
comment by Rauben_Hoody - genuinely finding a lack of coefficient points exciting (U6374)
posted 16 seconds ago
I disagree. I think there are plenty of games he would start at those clubs.
You saw what happened when Utd paired Carrick, the player you laughably think should represent England ahead of Henderson because all Henderson does is pass "backwards" (comedy gold that one btw - you were not allowed to drink when Carrick was having his best form and was being labelled a crab by his own fans) with Sweinstiger.
Ramsey has some exceptionally average games for Arsenal. City's CM is really not all that and Delph was starting games let alone Fernando. Chelsea have no depth at CM.
It's amusing that Wilshere actually doesn't start for Arsenal and they shunt him to the wing sometimes.
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1) I didn't say all Henderson does is pass backwards so you're just making stuff up there
2) The opinion of United fans means nothing to me - Carrick passes between the lines more than most
3) Wilshere always starts for Arsenal when fit - and Henderson isn't better than Ramsey
4) Delph has been injured so I'm not sure where you're getting your info on him starting games for them. Like I said, Fernandinho is comfortably better than Henderson
posted on 15/10/15
posted on 15/10/15
No response then
posted on 15/10/15
Yes but what's the point? So ingrained are your views there is no point in debate. You've made some quite frankly ignorant and poorly researched comments backed up by nothing other than a rather arrogant opinion and even undermined yourself by mentioning a 35 year Carrick who I would argue is also unable to “bypass” players.
Half your posts are massive leaps not based on what people have actually written anyway.
Spurious at best I genuinely don't think you know the game.
Things you have said about Henderson:
“Carthorse”
“he has to touch it back towards his goal first” – does he?
“he always has to pass it back to the defender” – you sure?
We'll ignore the stats that blow all of this out of the water, or the fact he can manipulate a ball which is why he has played many games at RW in his career. I could go on tbh but as said what's the point?
As others have said you don't really like your opinion being challenged and I strongly suspect no-one has ever changed it.
Stick to youtube.
posted on 15/10/15
He wouldn't get near the first xis, as in there's no chance any top 4 manager would swap him for one of their starters. A squad place sure, he's better than Flamini and Mikel ofc.
That video was used as an example. I've seen him play plenty of times. The fact that you thought that vid showed him being good is laughable. Videos showing a players every moment in a match are valuable, its highlight reels in lower leagues that are useless.
I am glad you are happy with him but I suspect klopp will be aiming higher as time goes on.
posted on 15/10/15
Hendo is a decent player, I think often a negative (or positive, tbf) reputation of a player takes a long time to shed.
Based on the past 12 months he's on a similar sort of level as Ramsey
posted on 15/10/15
Henderson is a good, not great player. Will do you a job but is in no way a match winner or of the quality to be a key player in a championship winning side.
Works hard, good technique striking the ball and has a good engine.
posted on 15/10/15
Will do you a job but is in no way a match winner or of the quality to be a key player in a championship winning side.
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Well you say that but had he not got banned for the final three games there is a good chance he would have been exactly that.
Milner has two league medals, was a key member of the squad and is not as good as Henderson.
I think some still think it's 2012. He tackles, intercepts, keeps the ball and create chances.
posted on 15/10/15
The fact that you thought that vid showed him being good is laughable.
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No you said it backs up analog. It clearly doesn't.
posted on 15/10/15
Milner was not a key player.
Lol yes it does back up analogs point. 3 or 4 times
posted on 15/10/15
'He tackles, intercepts, keeps the ball and create chances.'
No ones disputing that. Doesn't make him a top player.
posted on 15/10/15
Doesn't make him a fvcking carthorse either does it.
Milner was not a key player? Oh dear.
Playing in 89 prem games in three season winning two leagues is not key?
Jesus.
And no the vid does not back up analog at all. It shows him as a box to box midfielder who keeps the ball. When his other reference was Carrick, who is even worse at playing on the turn and "bypassing" players then it's an even more daft statement.
If his first touch was always towards goal and he always passed backwards why does he create so many chances and get so many assists from open play.
I genuinely don't think you know what you're talking about I'm afraid. In fact I don't even think you know what the thread is about!
posted on 15/10/15
comment by Rauben_Hoody - genuinely finding a lack of coefficient points exciting (U6374)
posted 18 minutes ago
Doesn't make him a fvcking carthorse either does it.
Milner was not a key player? Oh dear.
Playing in 89 prem games in three season winning two leagues is not key?
Jesus.
And no the vid does not back up analog at all. It shows him as a box to box midfielder who keeps the ball. When his other reference was Carrick, who is even worse at playing on the turn and "bypassing" players then it's an even more daft statement.
If his first touch was always towards goal and he always passed backwards why does he create so many chances and get so many assists from open play.
I genuinely don't think you know what you're talking about I'm afraid. In fact I don't even think you know what the thread is about!
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You know full well I never said his first touch is 'always' towards goal and that he 'always' passes backwards so I'm not sure why you continue to spew nonsense. What the vid shows is that he needs 2/3 touches to get the ball under control and face play
posted on 15/10/15
What the vid shows is that he needs 2/3 touches to get the ball under control and face play
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He doesn't take three touches in the entire vid I don't think. What little credibility you had has finally evaporated.
posted on 15/10/15
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posted on 15/10/15
Rauben_Hoody constantly accusing others of not understanding footy while making comments these
Making a load of appearances doesn't make one a key player. Navas made a similar amount of apps for City. Neither were key. Their key players were Aguero, Kompany, Toure, Silva, Hart, Zabaleta and Dzeko (who was a vital match winner for them that year).
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posted on 15/10/15
Actually he does a couple of times to be fair.
At the start of the game, the first game of the season, yeah he keeps the ball so apologies for that.
Actually had a very good first game I thought.
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