ok forgive me, but my mate sent me this... i'll just throw that out there, run it up the flag pole and see if anyone salutes it..

The tree on Ahch-To, where the Jedis knowledge is kept, is not the "Tree of Life" from Judaism and the Kabahlah. Its the "Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil" from Genisis.
Luke is the stand in for Adonay, the God whom has turn his back on humanity and no longer wants to get involved. But has left them to free wiil.
He deems them as unworthy of the gifts he has to offer. He'll later manifests as Jesus to self sacrifice in order to save mankind(the resistance).
Yoda is the manifestaion of Lucifer. And offers Hope in the Form of the fruit of knowledge of Good and Evil(Balance).
Yoda even demonstrates he has knowledge of both Good and Evil with his use of Force Lighting. And of course who is brave enough to take this gift of Acension.
Rey(Eve) who becomes a God and that us why she is so powerful. Kylo(Adam) is Flawed because he is made in Adonays own image(Skywalker blood).
But its not really weak Adonay(Luke) whos the hero. No its Lucifer(Yoda) whom has freed mankind. And they all can become Gods.

You lost me at Yoda is Lucifer

Oh yeah, he’s the devil!! Lol!
So that doesn’t make sense then... I mean I’m sure George somewhere looked at cultures to base the Jedi religion on...
but im not a church goer so, wasn’t sure if this was a proper well thought out connection or just made up...
well, still not sure.
But Yoda as Lucifer,?!...hmmm.. he did summon lightning, and that cheeky laugh, squint your eyes and it looks demonic!!

If there is one character in Star Wars that is fully light it's Yoda.

Lucifer my arrrssse

Read something interesting the other day that boiled down to the fact that these films aren't made like sequels, they're made like a reboot of the series and as such they seem more intent on pushing these new characters forward than continuing the story naturally.

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If anyone wants a good breakdown of the problems with The Last Jedi - then listen to a podcast called Rebel force radio and download their Last Jedi review show #3

Filmmaker Kyle Newman hits the nail on the head.

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comment by Obers (U3904)
posted 1 day, 11 hours ago
It's just the wasted potential that gets me. So much wasted potential.

At the end of episode 7 we finally had an evenly matched light and dark side for the first time ever in Star Wars, and two of the strongest force users of all time alongside two of the most naturally gifted and force capable youngsters of all time. It was all set up so well.
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Luke might have been one of the strongest force users at one time but not in episode 8. Snoke was no where near as powerful as palpatine or plagueis.

Rey and Kylo had potential but I think Luke,Leia and Anakin were probably the most naturally gifted.
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Amazing, every word that you just said was wrong.

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Amazing, every word that you just said was wrong.

Laugh it up fuzzball!
Guv, you're wingman is here! Red 2 standing by.
My keyboard caps-locked into attack position!!

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posted 13 hours, 18 minutes ago
comment by Obers (U3904)
posted 1 day, 11 hours ago
It's just the wasted potential that gets me. So much wasted potential.

At the end of episode 7 we finally had an evenly matched light and dark side for the first time ever in Star Wars, and two of the strongest force users of all time alongside two of the most naturally gifted and force capable youngsters of all time. It was all set up so well.
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Luke might have been one of the strongest force users at one time but not in episode 8. Snoke was no where near as powerful as palpatine or plagueis.

Rey and Kylo had potential but I think Luke,Leia and Anakin were probably the most naturally gifted.
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Amazing, every word that you just said was wrong.
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Care to elucidate?
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Luke is one of the strongest force users of all time. Even in the last Jedi where he was a hermit and didn't use the force for 20 years he was able to force project himself across the galaxy and fooled Kylo Ren and Leia. He was just incredibly wasted because the producers didn't want Luke to overpower Rey and Ren.

Snoke is extremely powerful, quite possibly more powerful than Palpatine and definitely so with Plageuis. He treats Rey like a rag doll without even lifting a finger and we all know how overpowered Rey is. He was also powerful enough to make Rey and Kylo appear in the same room as each other despite being across the galaxy. Another massively under-used character but this does not take away from his power.

Kylo is in the same bloodline as Luke, Leia and Anakin. How can you say he has less potential in the force? Rey is his equivalent in the light side so also is extremely gifted. Also the lines "I have only seen this raw strength once before" and "When I found you I saw raw, untamed power" gives an idea of how powerful these two can become.

I’ve never known a film this divisive. You look at rotten tomatoes now and the user rating is circa 50%.

The thing that surprises me is there doesn’t appear to be much middle ground, you either like it or really don’t. And the two sides don’t really seem to get the others POV.

Not so much this thread, it’s all been quite civil and polite, but in other discussions I’ve been involved in the chat has got quite heated. People who liked the film getting really rather condescending and suggesting that if you don’t like it then you just don’t understand it and the subtlety the film is trying to put over. Equally those that don’t like it claiming anyone that does is just a fan-boy who’d love and defend anything SW related.

I don’t think there’ll ever be a consensus on this one.

I think they've been clever, it will make people talk about it and generate interest (nothing like bad press innit) ratings will mean nothing in the grand scheme when they make millions.

Next one will be out end of 2019

Solo set to be out May next year innit

Thought all SW films were going to be December release?

Although the Han film really isn’t doing it for me

You know if anything, there needs to be some kind of explanation of Snoke. Reys parents not an issue for me.
On Earth, the closest we got to a force user is Michael Jordan and uri gellar, Where did their prowess come from? Nobody cares...
But Snokes power was crazy and he wasn’t Sith or Jedi. It wasn’t alluded to want kind of entity he was, right? But his character is very interesting.
He may not be important to the overall narrative, but an explanation is in, er...first order 👀.

The problem is he is extremely important to the overall narrative. In fact everything that has happened post Return of the Jedi is because of Snoke.

To cast off his character as they did is poor, poor writing.

Hey Solo, I too have been taking a battering from the foolish.
E.G., So someone says ‘The light speed sequence is stupid. Looks great but is stupid, when did anyone do that?”

Now i reply, to me that’s not a well thought out question. Just cos we’ve never seen it, doesn’t mean it wasn’t possible, and besides Han Solo did once tell Luke, Lightspeed travel isn’t like dusting crops, you could bounce into a supernova without the right calculations.

Oh you are an apologist! You make excuses for everything. You a casual, go on, keep giving Disney your money idiot!!
I just said, it’s a shame we can’t chat on a level.
You love SW, I love SW. we can agree to disagree, it’s ok.
It’s reached levels of insanity.
next 2 years is going to interesting...

Hmmm🤔, ok Obers, I meant he was a red herring. He’s not the big bad of this story. But agree that his role after Jedi was big.
And there lies the other issue, which you can say is valid, whereby, things were set up for the viewer to take as a given, and then now looks squashed.
So you can understand the head scratching, and things like, what’s was the point of all that?
The director can’t just blame fan speculation/expectation, cos that’s what we were given.
So ok, Ren is the big bad, but if we don’t see or hear about snoke again, then that is a misstep for sure.

comment by Obers (U3904)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
The problem is he is extremely important to the overall narrative. In fact everything that has happened post Return of the Jedi is because of Snoke.

To cast off his character as they did is poor, poor writing.
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I seriously don’t know how anyone can call this film clever?

If this wasn’t a Star Wars film and was a stand-alone, then it would’ve been a throwaway movie.

I’m far from a Star Wars fanboy, I just enjoy good cinema regardless of genre, but I found the TFA awakens a 6/10 and this film a 5/10... it all seems very lazy, but knowing Disney they are setting up future films so that they can explain all these plot holes?

Another plot hole I haven’t seen anyone touch on as there are quite frankly too many is Finn?

I mean WTF who is he and why did he defect the way he did?

comment by StringerBell (U11749)
posted 45 minutes ago
Hmmm🤔, ok Obers, I meant he was a red herring. He’s not the big bad of this story. But agree that his role after Jedi was big.
And there lies the other issue, which you can say is valid, whereby, things were set up for the viewer to take as a given, and then now looks squashed.
So you can understand the head scratching, and things like, what’s was the point of all that?
The director can’t just blame fan speculation/expectation, cos that’s what we were given.
So ok, Ren is the big bad, but if we don’t see or hear about snoke again, then that is a misstep for sure.



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IMO the Star Trek reboot has been a lot more enjoyable (maybe not so much the last film)