Spurs are usually on this amount of points after 21 games though. Nothing really changed except goal difference slightly.
based in that article we can use the same logic and justify utd spending post cr7. We still won titles etc compared to spurs (i am a big fan of the new spurs btw) who for all their promise it is still nothing but promise at least until june.
I think it's more down to luck than judgement, if LvG had gone to Spurs rather than waited for United we're not having this conversation IMO.
Poch has been brilliant, another coach may not have played Alli or loaned him back MK Dons, another manager may have sold Dier as he was pretty poor at centre back and right back, he has been very good as a DM though.
Vorm and Trippier rarely play (I know they've had a game or two recently but generally) and Alderweireld had a year to adjust to the league with Southampton which has worked to Spurs' advantage.
I've always like Spurs, the way they play, their identity and history but it's down to a mad PL season and Poch, not some master plan by Levy IMO.
Spurs are were they normally are after 21 games though points wise.
Fack off hafi you boring caaaant
I've a alway liked Tottenham, I think it's because their club and fans have been brought up with the same attack and entertain philosophy we used to have.
Given that we wouldn't win a raffle if we bought the only ticket under Van Gaal I'd be pleased if they won the league soon.
I always had a soft spot for them. Not sure why, may be I always favored underdogs in NLDs. They still have a long way to go before they can challenge big guns. Unfortunately for them the future stadium costs and competing with deep pockets of Utd, City, Arsenal and Chelsea will mean they will be second tier club for some time.
it just goes to show that a manager needs time to find the best in all his squad. poch has done just that. and yes hafi is a boring caaaant with his meaningless stats.
I don't think the Manchester journalist was saying, in any sentence of his article, that we were title contenders, but that the 'Bale Money' was far from wasted, unlike (many would say) the quarter of a billion quid that Utd spent last window
I would take Martial at a heartbeat though.....
comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 3 hours, 10 minutes ago
Spurs are usually on this amount of points after 21 games though. Nothing really changed except goal difference slightly.
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It wouldn't hugely surprise me if they end up in 5th as well, were they finished last season, Poch has done a decent job but there is a lot of hype with very little in the way of achievement as of yet, promise goes unfulfilled quite often though.
the quarter of a billion quid that Utd spent last window
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Were do people come up with these crazy figures?!
We spent nowhere near £250M in the last window, also why do Tottenham fans use just spend for us (and presumably other clubs) but net spend whenever they are talking about themselves, a bit of consistency wouldn't go a miss.
comment by SAF_The_Legend-FreePalestine(7) (U5768)
posted 1 minute ago
the quarter of a billion quid that Utd spent last window
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Were do people come up with these crazy figures?!
We spent nowhere near £250M in the last window, also why do Tottenham fans use just spend for us (and presumably other clubs) but net spend whenever they are talking about themselves, a bit of consistency wouldn't go a miss.
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OK. What figure would you put on it?
It's something like £110-£120 spend but we sold/let go
RVP,Nani,Hernandez,Rafael,Di Maria so you do the math given that we recouped £45m for Di maria
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posted 6 minutes ago
comment by SAF_The_Legend-FreePalestine(7) (U5768)
posted 1 minute ago
the quarter of a billion quid that Utd spent last window
...............................
Were do people come up with these crazy figures?!
We spent nowhere near £250M in the last window, also why do Tottenham fans use just spend for us (and presumably other clubs) but net spend whenever they are talking about themselves, a bit of consistency wouldn't go a miss.
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OK. What figure would you put on it?
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Well a more realistic one.
TBH I usually work in net spend, but I do so consistently for my team and others, our net spend this season was about £30M I think.
Looney's figure might be about right, it wasn't even half your figure.
SAF - My figure wasn't net ! Net it's about what you say I believe.
Yeah sorry I didn't make that clear, in the second part I meant your £110M-£120M might be about right for just spend.
And that it wasn't even half the figure the spurs fan was suggesting it was.
comment by Looney Van Tunes (U17867)
posted 26 seconds ago
It's something like £110-£120 spend but we sold/let go
RVP,Nani,Hernandez,Rafael,Di Maria so you do the math given that we recouped £45m for Di maria
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I accept that. Anyway, this wasn't meant to be a comparison of Man U v Spurs in the 'wasted money' stakes. I just wanted to point out that it's great that people other than Spurs fans are noticing that something positive is happening at Spurs on many fronts, and fruition can be measured by +17 GD.
For the last 20 years we generally have ended up with a GD of +1ish. Our exciting young coach was a World Cup playing defender, and everyone knows that Spurs weakness has always been defence. That is FINALLY being addressed by Pochettino, and who knows how far that might push Spurs on in the next few years.
It's crucial for Tottenham to get Champions League within the next two years. If we don't make it this season (which would be a real shame) I still believe we can hold onto the main players and build upon it but if we end up outside the top four both this season and the next then I feel players will be tempted elsewhere and it could dismantle the good work being put in.
comment by SAF_The_Legend-FreePalestine(7) (U5768)
why do Tottenham fans use just spend for us (and presumably other clubs) but net spend whenever they are talking about themselves, a bit of consistency wouldn't go a miss.
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Spurs over the last five years have on average made £8m a season from transfers.
United over the last five years have on average spent £57m a season from transfers.
Yet, United struggle to impose themselves not only as potential title winners but champions league competitors. That's £65m a year in differences between Spurs and United.
I'm pretty sure if Spurs had that sort of net budget every year we'd be making top four comfortably. That's two £30m+ players coming in every year for 5 years.
So obviously if your club continues to spend that sort of money and continues with its boring football and struggle for the top four then the WUMs are never ending...
You do realise in the past five season we have actually won a title?
That spending actually equalled success.
We've also qualified for the CL every year but once during that five year period.
What have Spurs achieved during that period?
Repeatedly missing out on top 4?
TBH I wouldn't be surprised if we could run at a profit and sit outside the top 4, hell Arsenal ran a profit for years whilst sitting in the top 4.
Fergie ran a profit for a few years whilst actually winning titles....
Although that is part of the reason we are spending so much now, because of a lack of spending in previous seasons. You can get away with a low net spend for a few years (as we did) but eventually it will come back to bite you.
Spurs used to spend a decent little bit of money, nothing major but not too far off the top sides before these 5 years, guess what they still failed miserably, the fact they are currently maintaining their position whilst not spending money is admirable....
It doesn't necessarily equate that they would spend money and then be successful, look what happened with the Bale money.
Bit hard to compare really, but Spurs on their budget are jut about the best run club in the premiership. Not just on transfers, there is a vast chasm in the wages bills of Spurs and United. Rooney's £250,0000 wages alone would be enough to pay at least half a dozen of the current Spurs first XI.
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If you spend hundreds of millions every year on new players and have one of the highest wage bills in the league you'd expect a title challenge.
Fans of any club are well within their rights to criticise our recent spending. We used to do it to city, difference was they bought success.
Is the poor quality of United's general play down to the calibre of player recruited (wasted money) or the calibre of management? Either way it's not been a great investment so far.
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posted on 15/1/16
Spurs are usually on this amount of points after 21 games though. Nothing really changed except goal difference slightly.
posted on 15/1/16
based in that article we can use the same logic and justify utd spending post cr7. We still won titles etc compared to spurs (i am a big fan of the new spurs btw) who for all their promise it is still nothing but promise at least until june.
posted on 15/1/16
I think it's more down to luck than judgement, if LvG had gone to Spurs rather than waited for United we're not having this conversation IMO.
Poch has been brilliant, another coach may not have played Alli or loaned him back MK Dons, another manager may have sold Dier as he was pretty poor at centre back and right back, he has been very good as a DM though.
Vorm and Trippier rarely play (I know they've had a game or two recently but generally) and Alderweireld had a year to adjust to the league with Southampton which has worked to Spurs' advantage.
I've always like Spurs, the way they play, their identity and history but it's down to a mad PL season and Poch, not some master plan by Levy IMO.
posted on 15/1/16
Spurs are were they normally are after 21 games though points wise.
posted on 15/1/16
Fack off hafi you boring caaaant
posted on 15/1/16
I've a alway liked Tottenham, I think it's because their club and fans have been brought up with the same attack and entertain philosophy we used to have.
Given that we wouldn't win a raffle if we bought the only ticket under Van Gaal I'd be pleased if they won the league soon.
posted on 15/1/16
I always had a soft spot for them. Not sure why, may be I always favored underdogs in NLDs. They still have a long way to go before they can challenge big guns. Unfortunately for them the future stadium costs and competing with deep pockets of Utd, City, Arsenal and Chelsea will mean they will be second tier club for some time.
posted on 16/1/16
it just goes to show that a manager needs time to find the best in all his squad. poch has done just that. and yes hafi is a boring caaaant with his meaningless stats.
posted on 16/1/16
I don't think the Manchester journalist was saying, in any sentence of his article, that we were title contenders, but that the 'Bale Money' was far from wasted, unlike (many would say) the quarter of a billion quid that Utd spent last window
I would take Martial at a heartbeat though.....
posted on 16/1/16
comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 3 hours, 10 minutes ago
Spurs are usually on this amount of points after 21 games though. Nothing really changed except goal difference slightly.
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It wouldn't hugely surprise me if they end up in 5th as well, were they finished last season, Poch has done a decent job but there is a lot of hype with very little in the way of achievement as of yet, promise goes unfulfilled quite often though.
posted on 16/1/16
the quarter of a billion quid that Utd spent last window
...............................
Were do people come up with these crazy figures?!
We spent nowhere near £250M in the last window, also why do Tottenham fans use just spend for us (and presumably other clubs) but net spend whenever they are talking about themselves, a bit of consistency wouldn't go a miss.
posted on 16/1/16
*Where
posted on 16/1/16
comment by SAF_The_Legend-FreePalestine(7) (U5768)
posted 1 minute ago
the quarter of a billion quid that Utd spent last window
...............................
Were do people come up with these crazy figures?!
We spent nowhere near £250M in the last window, also why do Tottenham fans use just spend for us (and presumably other clubs) but net spend whenever they are talking about themselves, a bit of consistency wouldn't go a miss.
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OK. What figure would you put on it?
posted on 16/1/16
It's something like £110-£120 spend but we sold/let go
RVP,Nani,Hernandez,Rafael,Di Maria so you do the math given that we recouped £45m for Di maria
posted on 16/1/16
comment by gilzeano (U6451)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by SAF_The_Legend-FreePalestine(7) (U5768)
posted 1 minute ago
the quarter of a billion quid that Utd spent last window
...............................
Were do people come up with these crazy figures?!
We spent nowhere near £250M in the last window, also why do Tottenham fans use just spend for us (and presumably other clubs) but net spend whenever they are talking about themselves, a bit of consistency wouldn't go a miss.
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OK. What figure would you put on it?
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Well a more realistic one.
TBH I usually work in net spend, but I do so consistently for my team and others, our net spend this season was about £30M I think.
Looney's figure might be about right, it wasn't even half your figure.
posted on 16/1/16
SAF - My figure wasn't net ! Net it's about what you say I believe.
posted on 16/1/16
Yeah sorry I didn't make that clear, in the second part I meant your £110M-£120M might be about right for just spend.
posted on 16/1/16
And that it wasn't even half the figure the spurs fan was suggesting it was.
posted on 16/1/16
comment by Looney Van Tunes (U17867)
posted 26 seconds ago
It's something like £110-£120 spend but we sold/let go
RVP,Nani,Hernandez,Rafael,Di Maria so you do the math given that we recouped £45m for Di maria
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I accept that. Anyway, this wasn't meant to be a comparison of Man U v Spurs in the 'wasted money' stakes. I just wanted to point out that it's great that people other than Spurs fans are noticing that something positive is happening at Spurs on many fronts, and fruition can be measured by +17 GD.
For the last 20 years we generally have ended up with a GD of +1ish. Our exciting young coach was a World Cup playing defender, and everyone knows that Spurs weakness has always been defence. That is FINALLY being addressed by Pochettino, and who knows how far that might push Spurs on in the next few years.
posted on 16/1/16
It's crucial for Tottenham to get Champions League within the next two years. If we don't make it this season (which would be a real shame) I still believe we can hold onto the main players and build upon it but if we end up outside the top four both this season and the next then I feel players will be tempted elsewhere and it could dismantle the good work being put in.
posted on 16/1/16
comment by SAF_The_Legend-FreePalestine(7) (U5768)
why do Tottenham fans use just spend for us (and presumably other clubs) but net spend whenever they are talking about themselves, a bit of consistency wouldn't go a miss.
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Spurs over the last five years have on average made £8m a season from transfers.
United over the last five years have on average spent £57m a season from transfers.
Yet, United struggle to impose themselves not only as potential title winners but champions league competitors. That's £65m a year in differences between Spurs and United.
I'm pretty sure if Spurs had that sort of net budget every year we'd be making top four comfortably. That's two £30m+ players coming in every year for 5 years.
So obviously if your club continues to spend that sort of money and continues with its boring football and struggle for the top four then the WUMs are never ending...
posted on 16/1/16
You do realise in the past five season we have actually won a title?
That spending actually equalled success.
We've also qualified for the CL every year but once during that five year period.
What have Spurs achieved during that period?
Repeatedly missing out on top 4?
TBH I wouldn't be surprised if we could run at a profit and sit outside the top 4, hell Arsenal ran a profit for years whilst sitting in the top 4.
Fergie ran a profit for a few years whilst actually winning titles....
Although that is part of the reason we are spending so much now, because of a lack of spending in previous seasons. You can get away with a low net spend for a few years (as we did) but eventually it will come back to bite you.
Spurs used to spend a decent little bit of money, nothing major but not too far off the top sides before these 5 years, guess what they still failed miserably, the fact they are currently maintaining their position whilst not spending money is admirable....
It doesn't necessarily equate that they would spend money and then be successful, look what happened with the Bale money.
posted on 16/1/16
Bit hard to compare really, but Spurs on their budget are jut about the best run club in the premiership. Not just on transfers, there is a vast chasm in the wages bills of Spurs and United. Rooney's £250,0000 wages alone would be enough to pay at least half a dozen of the current Spurs first XI.
posted on 16/1/16
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posted on 16/1/16
If you spend hundreds of millions every year on new players and have one of the highest wage bills in the league you'd expect a title challenge.
Fans of any club are well within their rights to criticise our recent spending. We used to do it to city, difference was they bought success.
Is the poor quality of United's general play down to the calibre of player recruited (wasted money) or the calibre of management? Either way it's not been a great investment so far.
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