Frampton was the aggressor for the first 6 rounds. Quigg was doing f all. Quigg only won 3/4 rounds at best. Nuff said

Can see your point but Frampton didn't really have to win the early rounds Quigg gifted them by doing nothing. Seems Quigg only pulled his finger out when he was told Sky had him 6-1 down after 7 rounds. Your right that from that point he did much more work but there wasn't enough rounds to claw back the deficit

Not how fights are scored....how many of those quigg punches landed in the first 7 rnds?by the time quigg won a rnd he was already 6 points down...i scored it :
Rnd 1 draw, 2-7 went to frampton.8,9,10 & 11 to quigg and 12 went to frampton.frampton won.116 - 113

Sorry read ur post properly just there and see the point ur making...it cld be argued that if the scoring system was different then frampton wouldnt have boxed the way he did on the flipside quigg did almost nothing for the first half of the fight.he was ultra defensive and as a result was very difficult to hit clean which affected the stats.another arguement could be shld quigg have been pulled out for refusing to fight in the opening 7 rnds. Id be more worried by the judge who scored the fight to quigg that was a scandal

Ps what was quiggs % landed?

comment by delboy82 (U7141)
posted 27 seconds ago
Ps what was quiggs % landed?
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Quigg landed at a 26%.

More accurate.

The judges are meant to judge on effective aggression. Key word, effective, jabbing Quigg's gloves for 6 rounds wasn't very effective.

Maybe Frampton would have boxed differently, but that would be a good thing. Boxing needs to become more entertaining, there have been far too many bore fests, with fighters winning round by touch jabbing

Say if Khan jabs and runs against Canelo and lands one jab a round but doesn't get tagged once for 7 rounds, Then Canelo stepped it up, and catches him, then and out lands him 15 to 2 punches for the rest of the fight with Khan running away and holding. Should Khan win the bout? He will with our current scoring method.

It creates boring fights and negative tactics, and the guy that takes the beating wins the bout.

Hmm

Frampton was clearly the aggressor and the effective aggressor early on imo. His movement was slicker, he landed on quigg many times whilst quigg just froze

I now see what Frampton meant when he said quigg has no boxing brain or intelligence. He relies 100% on Gallagher to tell him what to do. He should have made in ring adjustments rather than wait for Joe to tell him after 7 rounds that he's 6-1 down.

Perhaps quigg thought he could stop him late on but the damage had been done by then..

Yeah punches thrown dont show much at all to be honest, controlling the ring ,being the more aggresive etc are also factors.

Listened on the radio and I like the opinions of Richie Woodhall. He felt that Quigg started too late and blamed Gallagher/tactics. He had Frampton up by 3 rounds.
Broken jaw after 4 rounds and only started chasing from the 8th,i can see why Framptons team may not want a rematch. Quigg was not aggressive enough and Frampton is clearly not all that he was cracked up to be .

comment by D4thincarnation (U2520)
posted 8 hours, 9 minutes ago
Say if Khan jabs and runs against Canelo and lands one jab a round but doesn't get tagged once for 7 rounds, Then Canelo stepped it up, and catches him, then and out lands him 15 to 2 punches for the rest of the fight with Khan running away and holding. Should Khan win the bout? He will with our current scoring method.

It creates boring fights and negative tactics, and the guy that takes the beating wins the bout.


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You do have a valid point d4 in terms of more entertaining fights similar thing would be in football -1 point for a loss 0 points for no score draw 1 pnt for a score draw and 3 for a win woukd induce more attacking football.

However defending is an art in itself also.it may not appeal as much to the casual but can still be interesting to the more fanatical. Cleary its more exciting to have a brawl or a high scoring game but its also less skillful if you get what i mean?

In terms of this fight more blame goes to quigg imo.sure frampton didnt throw or land loads in the first half of the fight but quigg did almost nothing other than stay outta range and keep his defense tight.this is what made a stale watch he threw next to nothing let alone land on frampton who defo controlled the fight and was the clear aggressor.

For me quigg was very wary of getting tagged by frampton when he was fresh and strong.their plan was to avoid getting hurt or dropped in the first half of he fight come on strong and stop or drop frampton in the 2nd half. For me the reason this fight wasnt an open exciting fight was due to gallaghers game plan.cos when quigg pressed in the 2nd half he didnt dominate frampton, bettered him yes but didnt dominate i also think frampton saved a bit for last round knowing he had a handy lead.

In response to the khan question if canelo doesnt throw punches in the first half of the fight and all khan does is land jabs then yeah it will go in favour of khan on the basis that you cant possibly score anything to someone that doesnt throw anything...thankfully imo when it comes to that fight canelo is smarter than quigg and has better feet to close the gap better that and khans feet aint as clever as framptons. As much as i want it i cant see khan defusing canelo the way floyd did...his feet and brain are nowhere near as smart as floyds and he will get pinned down and caught i think.

I said whilst watching it that Frampton was playing a tactical game, which he basically confirmed after the fight.

The fault lies with his corner because they thought that the punches Frampton was throwing weren't scoring so they didn't think he was that far down. Quigg himself isn't the kind of fighter that would make his own adjustments in the ring, he relies totally on his corner to give him advice on what to do.

In the end I don't think the fight told us anything we don't already know about either fighter. They both have the power to KO the other fighter and it then lead to a really cautious fight and Frampton's team had the better game plan for that.

If Frampton didn't do enough in the early rounds, how do you rate Quigg's performance?

Quigg didn't throw anything in the first 7 rounds, and looked gassed in the 12th.

Thought he boxed well when he turned it on, but you can't show up for 4 rounds and expect to win the bout. Poor strategy.

Thought he boxed well when he turned it on, but you can't show up for 4 rounds and expect to win the bout. Poor strategy.
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Spot on

You make a valid point D4. The scoring system in boxing needs to be updated. I've thought that for ages.

Throwing power punches as well as being the aggressor should be much more rewarded in fights in terms of scoring points than it currently is.

Too often we see fighters content to throw feather punches safe in the knowledge that their punches are scoring while in reality these punches are basically doing no damage at all.

In the modern 12 round system it's far too easy for a fighter to basically not engage his opponent in any meaningful way and simply rely on throwing feather punches for much of the fight as long as they're making contact and scoring points.

I guess that's why so many of the super fights happened in previous eras and the modern era is so starved of them.

Don't think they were feather punches Superb. He used the jab well and looked for an opening, I mean he broke Quiggs jaw in the 4th.

I think refs should be taking points off for holding much more than they do now and that might help but I don't think you can really fault Frampton for the gameplan that he had and carried out.

The fault for he way that fight went lies with Quigg and his corner for not realising quickly enough what was happening. They were relying on the judges to score rounds as even instead of to Frampton in the early rounds. The onus was on them to neutralise it by coming out swinging. Too little far too late.

Don't think they were feather punches Superb.

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Yeah I wasn't referring to the Frampton Quigg fight specifically. But those first few rounds where we barely saw a punch landed or even thrown were quite embarrassing.

Would that have happened if there was a scoring system in boxing that massively benefited the agressor? Or at least benefited the agressor more than the current scoring method does ?

Not claiming to be an expert on the ins and outs of point scoring in boxing and I can appreciate the difficulty in interpreting exactly what does and doesn't count as a power punch.

Also I can appreciate the difficulty a boxing judge has in interpreting exactly which fighter is the more aggressive in any given fight. At the end of the day it's all down to human interpretation.

Just think that the scoring system in boxing could at least do with a tweaking to keep up with how more and more fighters seem to approach fights these days.

I suppose the problem is you need all of the different organisations to agree to it or it becomes a nonsense if the IBF point score differently to the WBA...

I think in terms of the Frampton fight he was getting the rounds for being the aggressor and the criteria laid out clearly state effective aggression as one of the key criteria for scoring the rounds. Jabbing and looking for an opening for a bigger shot is still being aggressive.