I reckon he'd have been off in the summer.

He is now, Autumn and probably some winter.

George isn't mobile. Huddlestone is a similar sort of player.

Scouse, the nearest I can think of is Carrick in the present day.

Is he looking for a place in Derby Vidal?

Lucas Romero

The Hudd will probably come back to haunt me now.

MistaKeogh will fck it up for us again, and you idiots will make excuses for him again, and then conveniently forget about it again.

#idiots #teamDonny #WAWAW #CloughOUT

Mornin' 666 👍

Golf course beckons?

It'll be a tibia and fibula fracture hopefully not involving the ankle joint itself. Plate fixation and be looking around Christmas to come back I would have thought. Awful for him.

I think Hughes, Hendrick and Bryson can work but we will miss Thorne's physical presence. The only player who can match that is Johnson and everyone hates him. He may have a part to play yet though in whether we go up or not.

Why have you reposted exactly the same post you did yesterday. Does it make it more correct? Why are the stretcher bearers at Derby so slow to get to an injured player. Why did we have to play key players yesterday? The assessment of risk and benefit is the key to good management.

We put out a full strength team against a team that everyone knows plays a physical game. Then you all wring your hands when a key player gets injured. Oh it's the momentum myth. I suspect everyons's optimism took a little dive when George was injured.

Morning chaps

Genuinely sorry to hear the news regarding Thorne, feels like the poor lad has no luck at all.

I don't know how it happened Spart. All I can do is apologise.

Had it been possible to predict that Thorne would break his leg then I suppose he wouldn't have been picked. Maybe taking Hughes off 15 minutes before the end saved him from breaking his leg. Maybe the safest thing would have been to pick no players at all, and to have no player ever train.

People got furious, understandably, with the St John's people, but once a leg is broken it remains broken and there isn't a great deal to be done until the player gets to hospital other than immobilise it. It's the same with any injury - the physio gets waved frantically on and play is halted but the injury has already occurred and a few more seconds or a minute or two make no difference. The only need for real urgency is if the player is unconscious or has had a cardiac arrest. We all howl at the ref to stop play when there is a head injury but again if the player is conscious it doesn't matter a jot.

What about the fact that the poor lad is crying out with pain and had to needlessly wait 2 extra minutes for some pain relief?

Depends who you class as 'key' players Spart.
Carson is, as Mitchell is inexperienced in this sort of game.
The 2 full backs are, as apart from Baird we have no real back-up at the mo.
Why risk breaking up our centre backs for a play off semi.
Our midfield 3 yesterday is currently recognised as our best. Surely you'd rest all of those.
Martin ? Speaks for itself.
So maybe play Russell and Ince out of yesterdays 11 ?
Other than that, you have to fill the team with squad players like Blackman & Camara.
Would that have been the way to go? Just exactly what would your team have been ?

How could the first responders have known what the injury was from the sideline, Vidal ? I couldn't even tell who the player involved was at first. The team physios were on quickly and the players were waving for assistance.
They had one real thing to do yesterday and were tardy in their response.

I don't believe that the St John's have access to the opiates that are generally given for severe pain. They man the stretcher, and as you saw it was several minutes before he got on the stretcher even after it arrived. Ang it doesn't make a great deal of difference what the exact nature of the injury is as there isn't any specific treatment to be given on the pitch other than pain relief. I don't know what the arrangements are for pain relief in sporting events like this. Most people who break their legs do so in car crashes or away from any help. Fortunately the body's endorphins kick in so it isn't as agonising as you might expect although obviously it does hurt quite a lot. To realistically give opiate analgesia that would work quickly you need to get intravenous access and monitor the patient's oxygen saturation etc to make sure they don't stop breathing because of the effects of the drug. It's not quite as straightforward as just running out and giving a quick jab. Entonox is probably the best choice if you can get the cylinder out into the pitch. Pain is very unpleasant but not in itself life-threatening whereas the unmonitored use of opiates can be. The safest thing, and which I imagine is the policy here, would be to give it in a secure environment off the pitch where the patient can be monitored safely. They do always seem to spend quite a bit of time getting the patient off the pitch which isn't really necessary, they could just "scoop and lift". Most paramedics etc are taught to check for other injuries, to neck or back for example, and maybe this causes delay in getting them off the field of play.

It could've been an open compound fracture of his spine and the pain still would've paled against coming second to Keogh in the 'best player' contest.

I wasn't thinking about general anaesthesia or the like, Vidal. Just a breath or two of that gas & air stuff that everyone goes on about. Perhaps the team physios can administer that ?

I know this sounds a bit voyeuristic but does anyone have a replay of the Thorne 'impact' -doesn't seem to be on Sky...🤔

There's a photo on dcfc fans, View.
Douglas' foot is a good foot above the ground

Saw that Ang 👍. In real time it happened so quickly and then the action moved. That photo also on FB.

That's the Entonox Ang. It's still a prescribable drug so I don't know if they would be allowed to give it or not. If the club had cylinders of Entonox they need regular maintenance and checks as well as staff training in their correct use. Then you have to get the cylinder out on the pitch to use it how often? Once in every few years. Maybe it just isn't practicable, I don't know. I would be interested to know what clubs do have available for this and other situations such as a member of the crowd falling ill.

Thanks Vidal

Just wish the assistance had been as proactive as the vulture stretcher bearers were in 'Bedknobs & Broomsticks'

Will ask Mrs Dr Heb. Top trauma boffin, (ex RAMC) and generally ace medic. Due back from mainland this afternoon......

ang.like all of is i want premiership football but to be honest I want thorn to be ok more.i cant stop seeing that picture in my mind.