I'm even more depressed now.
If DW threatens to make the team read this if they don't win by four goals tonight, Wembley here we come.
I would like to see Will further forward so he can slip balls through to Chris. I would have Johnny in place of Johnson who I don't ever want to see in a Rams shirt again.
Wednesday looked good last night, it just shows what a proper manager can get a team to do.
A manager who rested players in a meaningless game rather than drone on about momentum and the need for a full strength team. Brighton finished the season with two hard games and were spent.
Wednesday were very lucky not to be sunk without trace in the first 20 minutes. Their goal was a complete fluke and maybe should not have stood. I was really impressed with the way Brighton went about their game even though eventually they petered out. Had Brighton got it back to all square it would have been a really interesting game.
Both teams have more characters in their team than us, players who seem to hate to lose. Even players like Bannan and Wallace seem to be made of the right stuff. Ferguson liked to fill his team with bad losers. Players like this also want to get on the ball and not hide when it gets difficult. We have too few of these. People hate Ince but he is one of the few who looks to at least try to make something happen. On Saturday the likes of Bryson, Johnson, Martin all seemed to disappear.
I don't think you will find any footballer whether they play for Barcelona or the local pub team who likes to lose.
I don't think people hate Ince, just that he rarely shows what he is capable of. A very frustrating player to watch.
Martin would disappear if the midfield don't get the ball to him. Hull ensured our midfield didn't have the ball so we were reduced to playing specualtive long passes out of defence. We did improve when Johnson went off but by then the damage was done.
Wassall didn't exactly cover himself with glory with his team selections and substitutions. Surely he must have realised by now that Blackman is to football what 666 and Peeder are to rhythmic gymnastics.
comment by Watnallram (U10732)
posted 53 minutes ago
What came after "just"?
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Apparently a few off the cuff comments..........were still waiting for the full in depth report.
comment by Sheepthrills (U1954)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Watnallram (U10732)
posted 53 minutes ago
What came after "just"?
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Apparently a few off the cuff comments..........were still waiting for the full in depth report.
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Don't tempt fate !
We should be more considerate to those with obsessive typing disorder (OTD). Tolstoy would have been the same had he owned a computer. He would still be writing War and Peace.
I was largely done with Johnson before Saturday anyway to be honest. DW playing him in front of Hughes instantly irked me, and him playing Hull in for their first off his big useless shin sealed the deal (after having probably our best chance of the opening exchanges fall to him and it to bounce harmlessly off his complacent lazy overpaid body).
Ince is always busting my humps, he might be talented but he's not a team player. He might step up and try something when we're up against it, but he does it by taking it on himself and not trusting anyone else to. He's not a leader of men. He's a "right I'll do it and then take the credit" instead.
Don't want to see Johnson tonight. Want to see Hughes and Bryson getting forward, supporting Martin. Would be ok with Baird or even Bucko to make a pseudo 3-4-3 with Christie and Olsson as wing backs.
We've just got to go for the jugular from the off. Brighton did it last night and with a bit of luck could have turned the tie around by half time. We need the same approach. An early goal or two and who knows what might happen, but it has to come early.
----------------Carson-------------------
Christie---Keogh---Shackell---Olsson
--------------Buxton-------------
------Bryson------------Ince-----
--------------Hughes------------
-------Bent-------Weimann----
Slip balls in behind them (oo errr...)
--------------Carson-----------------
------Keogh----------Shackell----
----------------Buxton---------------
-Christie-------------------Olsson-
-Russell----Bryson-----Hughes-
-----------Martin------Ince-------
The underlying message being support Martin and get forward, with options!
And yes we're a bit light in midfield but if we have the ball and they're penned in their own penalty area (at one point on Saturday we had 8 of them virtually on the 6 yard line) then they can't do much harm. Probably.
comment by I'm not Spartacus. and definitely not Vidal (U4603)
posted 29 minutes ago
We should be more considerate to those with obsessive typing disorder (OTD). Tolstoy would have been the same had he owned a computer. He would still be writing War and Peace.
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And James Joyce would still be writing the first sentence in Ulysses.
No player likes losing Spart but some accept it more readily than others. We have too few to whom the others can look for inspiration. In our last promoted team we had players like Moore, the Johnson brothers and Howard who were like this. We had luxury players like Barnes who were like the icing on the cake. Ince is of the latter category, a luxury player if you like. These players tend to take the brunt of the criticism when it's not going well but they can make all of the difference in the right team. I think the players tried well enough on Saturday but there was a lack of belief when we went behind.
........................Carson.........................
Christie.......Keogh.........Buxton.........Olsson
.................Hendrick.............Butterfield
....Russell............Hughes..............Bryson
....................Big Chris Martin................
I hope I haven't forgotten anyone.
It's a paradox but we need to defend so we can attack. We need to do what Hull did to us, deny them any space, when we come out swinging we usually concede if it was extra time then I'd say let's gamble.
It isn't it's 90 minutes, I feel we need to go at them hard with our defensive game, force them back by getting to the second ball first, then thread the balls through, pick up the free kicks and the deflections, whilst still maintaining a shape in which we can retrieve the ball.
I didn't mean it to be depressing, Hull have weaknesses I Diame, can be neutralised, Livermore and Huddlestone I think denied space and outlets aren't great. Snodgrass n El M'hdy aren't game changers. Hernandez though if he were playing for Derby tonight we'd have had this easy. Instead we gotta do it the hard way. As much as Hull will say no complacency a goal from us and the nerves begin to jingle, jangle. Other teams fall apart under pressure not just us.
COYR
.................Carson.......................
Christie....Keogh.....Shackall....Olsson
...Butterfield......Hughes......Bryson
........................Ince.............................
......Martin.......................Bent
I am imagining that Darren Waffle will take his inspired team selection for this evening from Blackadder...
Melchett: Now, Field Marshal Haig has formulated a brilliant tactical plan to ensure final victory in the field
Blackadder: Would this brilliant plan involve us climbing over the top of our trenches and walking, very slowly towards the enemy?
Darling: How did you know that Blackadder? It's classified information
Blackadder: It's the same plan we used last time, and the seventeen times before that
Melchett: E-e-exactly! And that is what is so brilliant about it. It will catch the watchful Hull totally off guard. Doing exactly what we've done eighteen times before will be the last thing they expect us to do this time
Darren Waffle <althoughIfeelguiltyaboutit> at least nothing brings us Rams closer together than adversity.
Haven't seen so much solidarity on this board since we were consistently 5hit.
Come on Derby.
comment by Rapsta Ram (U12911)
posted 35 minutes ago
I am imagining that Darren Waffle will take his inspired team selection for this evening from Blackadder...
Melchett: Now, Field Marshal Haig has formulated a brilliant tactical plan to ensure final victory in the field
Blackadder: Would this brilliant plan involve us climbing over the top of our trenches and walking, very slowly towards the enemy?
Darling: How did you know that Blackadder? It's classified information
Blackadder: It's the same plan we used last time, and the seventeen times before that
Melchett: E-e-exactly! And that is what is so brilliant about it. It will catch the watchful Hull totally off guard. Doing exactly what we've done eighteen times before will be the last thing they expect us to do this time
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posted on 17/5/16
I'm even more depressed now.
posted on 17/5/16
If DW threatens to make the team read this if they don't win by four goals tonight, Wembley here we come.
posted on 17/5/16
I would like to see Will further forward so he can slip balls through to Chris. I would have Johnny in place of Johnson who I don't ever want to see in a Rams shirt again.
Wednesday looked good last night, it just shows what a proper manager can get a team to do.
posted on 17/5/16
What came after "just"?
posted on 17/5/16
A manager who rested players in a meaningless game rather than drone on about momentum and the need for a full strength team. Brighton finished the season with two hard games and were spent.
posted on 17/5/16
Wednesday were very lucky not to be sunk without trace in the first 20 minutes. Their goal was a complete fluke and maybe should not have stood. I was really impressed with the way Brighton went about their game even though eventually they petered out. Had Brighton got it back to all square it would have been a really interesting game.
Both teams have more characters in their team than us, players who seem to hate to lose. Even players like Bannan and Wallace seem to be made of the right stuff. Ferguson liked to fill his team with bad losers. Players like this also want to get on the ball and not hide when it gets difficult. We have too few of these. People hate Ince but he is one of the few who looks to at least try to make something happen. On Saturday the likes of Bryson, Johnson, Martin all seemed to disappear.
posted on 17/5/16
I don't think you will find any footballer whether they play for Barcelona or the local pub team who likes to lose.
I don't think people hate Ince, just that he rarely shows what he is capable of. A very frustrating player to watch.
Martin would disappear if the midfield don't get the ball to him. Hull ensured our midfield didn't have the ball so we were reduced to playing specualtive long passes out of defence. We did improve when Johnson went off but by then the damage was done.
Wassall didn't exactly cover himself with glory with his team selections and substitutions. Surely he must have realised by now that Blackman is to football what 666 and Peeder are to rhythmic gymnastics.
posted on 17/5/16
comment by Watnallram (U10732)
posted 53 minutes ago
What came after "just"?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Apparently a few off the cuff comments..........were still waiting for the full in depth report.
posted on 17/5/16
comment by Sheepthrills (U1954)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Watnallram (U10732)
posted 53 minutes ago
What came after "just"?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Apparently a few off the cuff comments..........were still waiting for the full in depth report.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Don't tempt fate !
posted on 17/5/16
We should be more considerate to those with obsessive typing disorder (OTD). Tolstoy would have been the same had he owned a computer. He would still be writing War and Peace.
posted on 17/5/16
I was largely done with Johnson before Saturday anyway to be honest. DW playing him in front of Hughes instantly irked me, and him playing Hull in for their first off his big useless shin sealed the deal (after having probably our best chance of the opening exchanges fall to him and it to bounce harmlessly off his complacent lazy overpaid body).
Ince is always busting my humps, he might be talented but he's not a team player. He might step up and try something when we're up against it, but he does it by taking it on himself and not trusting anyone else to. He's not a leader of men. He's a "right I'll do it and then take the credit" instead.
Don't want to see Johnson tonight. Want to see Hughes and Bryson getting forward, supporting Martin. Would be ok with Baird or even Bucko to make a pseudo 3-4-3 with Christie and Olsson as wing backs.
We've just got to go for the jugular from the off. Brighton did it last night and with a bit of luck could have turned the tie around by half time. We need the same approach. An early goal or two and who knows what might happen, but it has to come early.
posted on 17/5/16
----------------Carson-------------------
Christie---Keogh---Shackell---Olsson
--------------Buxton-------------
------Bryson------------Ince-----
--------------Hughes------------
-------Bent-------Weimann----
Slip balls in behind them (oo errr...)
posted on 17/5/16
--------------Carson-----------------
------Keogh----------Shackell----
----------------Buxton---------------
-Christie-------------------Olsson-
-Russell----Bryson-----Hughes-
-----------Martin------Ince-------
The underlying message being support Martin and get forward, with options!
And yes we're a bit light in midfield but if we have the ball and they're penned in their own penalty area (at one point on Saturday we had 8 of them virtually on the 6 yard line) then they can't do much harm. Probably.
posted on 17/5/16
comment by I'm not Spartacus. and definitely not Vidal (U4603)
posted 29 minutes ago
We should be more considerate to those with obsessive typing disorder (OTD). Tolstoy would have been the same had he owned a computer. He would still be writing War and Peace.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And James Joyce would still be writing the first sentence in Ulysses.
posted on 17/5/16
No player likes losing Spart but some accept it more readily than others. We have too few to whom the others can look for inspiration. In our last promoted team we had players like Moore, the Johnson brothers and Howard who were like this. We had luxury players like Barnes who were like the icing on the cake. Ince is of the latter category, a luxury player if you like. These players tend to take the brunt of the criticism when it's not going well but they can make all of the difference in the right team. I think the players tried well enough on Saturday but there was a lack of belief when we went behind.
posted on 17/5/16
........................Carson.........................
Christie.......Keogh.........Buxton.........Olsson
.................Hendrick.............Butterfield
....Russell............Hughes..............Bryson
....................Big Chris Martin................
I hope I haven't forgotten anyone.
posted on 17/5/16
It's a paradox but we need to defend so we can attack. We need to do what Hull did to us, deny them any space, when we come out swinging we usually concede if it was extra time then I'd say let's gamble.
It isn't it's 90 minutes, I feel we need to go at them hard with our defensive game, force them back by getting to the second ball first, then thread the balls through, pick up the free kicks and the deflections, whilst still maintaining a shape in which we can retrieve the ball.
I didn't mean it to be depressing, Hull have weaknesses I Diame, can be neutralised, Livermore and Huddlestone I think denied space and outlets aren't great. Snodgrass n El M'hdy aren't game changers. Hernandez though if he were playing for Derby tonight we'd have had this easy. Instead we gotta do it the hard way. As much as Hull will say no complacency a goal from us and the nerves begin to jingle, jangle. Other teams fall apart under pressure not just us.
COYR
posted on 17/5/16
.................Carson.......................
Christie....Keogh.....Shackall....Olsson
...Butterfield......Hughes......Bryson
........................Ince.............................
......Martin.......................Bent
posted on 17/5/16
I am imagining that Darren Waffle will take his inspired team selection for this evening from Blackadder...
Melchett: Now, Field Marshal Haig has formulated a brilliant tactical plan to ensure final victory in the field
Blackadder: Would this brilliant plan involve us climbing over the top of our trenches and walking, very slowly towards the enemy?
Darling: How did you know that Blackadder? It's classified information
Blackadder: It's the same plan we used last time, and the seventeen times before that
Melchett: E-e-exactly! And that is what is so brilliant about it. It will catch the watchful Hull totally off guard. Doing exactly what we've done eighteen times before will be the last thing they expect us to do this time
posted on 17/5/16
Darren Waffle <althoughIfeelguiltyaboutit> at least nothing brings us Rams closer together than adversity.
Haven't seen so much solidarity on this board since we were consistently 5hit.
Come on Derby.
posted on 17/5/16
Rapsta
posted on 17/5/16
comment by Rapsta Ram (U12911)
posted 35 minutes ago
I am imagining that Darren Waffle will take his inspired team selection for this evening from Blackadder...
Melchett: Now, Field Marshal Haig has formulated a brilliant tactical plan to ensure final victory in the field
Blackadder: Would this brilliant plan involve us climbing over the top of our trenches and walking, very slowly towards the enemy?
Darling: How did you know that Blackadder? It's classified information
Blackadder: It's the same plan we used last time, and the seventeen times before that
Melchett: E-e-exactly! And that is what is so brilliant about it. It will catch the watchful Hull totally off guard. Doing exactly what we've done eighteen times before will be the last thing they expect us to do this time
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