comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 2 minutes ago
£23m does seem low when you look at what clubs have paid for average players recently
Mangala
Lallana
Herrera
Bony

To name but a few


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we can all play that game though, and name alli, mahrez, kingsley coman, lucas moura, dybala as players who went for £30m (or a lot less) and are genuinely top class.

and it seems a very long time ago now, but bony was actually a 1 in 2 striker for swansea!

Yeah but I wouldn't say they were already established player don like the above

comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 12 minutes ago
Yeah but I wouldn't say they were already established player don like the above
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no, true. but firmino is a very obvious, and very close comparison, similar age, similar(ish) position, more prolific, better established for both club and country, and he went for £25-30m.

so i'm not suggesting liverpool should flog coutinho for £30m, i just don't see what is laughable about a £23m opening offer.

incidentally, if psg were to spend the big bucks this summer i'd have thought they'd spend them on a striker, they've just seen 40 odd goals a season walk out the door.

comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by 李贝 If anyone can, Emre Can... And don't call me Schürrle (U3979)
posted 1 minute ago
I don't think he was that fantastic this season...
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Interesting point, the consensus seems to be that an opening offer of £23m is literally laughable, but I'm not quite sure what people think he should be going for.

He might be a £30m player, maybe a £40m one, £45m at a stretch, but £23m as an initial bid - which presumably can go higher - isn't that fantastical.

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Sterling went for nearly 50 mil

U can tell.u know cout is 3 times better than wee raheem. I would expect a fee in that region to sell him

As usual with transfer fees it's all about contract length.

Coutinho has I believe 4 years to run on his.

Therefore to buy that out will cost a lot.

If he had 2 years left then £23m as an opener and £30m as an end game would be about right.

But with 4 years and no antagonism on his side to leave then we hold all the cards.

comment by Goofy One (U16087)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by 李贝 If anyone can, Emre Can... And don't call me Schürrle (U3979)
posted 1 minute ago
I don't think he was that fantastic this season...
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Interesting point, the consensus seems to be that an opening offer of £23m is literally laughable, but I'm not quite sure what people think he should be going for.

He might be a £30m player, maybe a £40m one, £45m at a stretch, but £23m as an initial bid - which presumably can go higher - isn't that fantastical.

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Sterling went for nearly 50 mil

U can tell.u know cout is 3 times better than wee raheem. I would expect a fee in that region to sell him

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so £150m then? or maybe accept £145m for a quick sale.

comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 12 minutes ago
Yeah but I wouldn't say they were already established player don like the above
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no, true. but firmino is a very obvious, and very close comparison, similar age, similar(ish) position, more prolific, better established for both club and country, and he went for £25-30m.

so i'm not suggesting liverpool should flog coutinho for £30m, i just don't see what is laughable about a £23m opening offer.

incidentally, if psg were to spend the big bucks this summer i'd have thought they'd spend them on a striker, they've just seen 40 odd goals a season walk out the door.

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Don, the value of a player is also dependent on the selling club to an extent. I don't know the financial position of Hoffenheim but I'm pretty sure they're not in the top 10 of wealthy clubs.

£29m for Firmino might have been an offer too good to turn down for them. £29m for Liverpool is easy to reject given coutinho's ability and stature within the team due to our overall financial strength (relatively speaking).

I don't think it's as easy as picking a similar player at a similar age.

comment by Ibe-Wan Kenobi (U6997)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 12 minutes ago
Yeah but I wouldn't say they were already established player don like the above
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no, true. but firmino is a very obvious, and very close comparison, similar age, similar(ish) position, more prolific, better established for both club and country, and he went for £25-30m.

so i'm not suggesting liverpool should flog coutinho for £30m, i just don't see what is laughable about a £23m opening offer.

incidentally, if psg were to spend the big bucks this summer i'd have thought they'd spend them on a striker, they've just seen 40 odd goals a season walk out the door.

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Don, the value of a player is also dependent on the selling club to an extent. I don't know the financial position of Hoffenheim but I'm pretty sure they're not in the top 10 of wealthy clubs.

£29m for Firmino might have been an offer too good to turn down for them. £29m for Liverpool is easy to reject given coutinho's ability and stature within the team due to our overall financial strength (relatively speaking).

I don't think it's as easy as picking a similar player at a similar age.
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true, and i guess having a wealthy PL means that the normal rules may not apply to transfer fees, both in terms of players coming to and those leaving the PL.

I was just curious why the reaction of some fans was somewhere between disbelief and disgust, from what i read arsenal have made/been mulling over a £25m bid for the current player of the year, and i haven't heard much indignation about that (suppose it helps that arro is banned).

comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by Ibe-Wan Kenobi (U6997)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 12 minutes ago
Yeah but I wouldn't say they were already established player don like the above
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no, true. but firmino is a very obvious, and very close comparison, similar age, similar(ish) position, more prolific, better established for both club and country, and he went for £25-30m.

so i'm not suggesting liverpool should flog coutinho for £30m, i just don't see what is laughable about a £23m opening offer.

incidentally, if psg were to spend the big bucks this summer i'd have thought they'd spend them on a striker, they've just seen 40 odd goals a season walk out the door.

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Don, the value of a player is also dependent on the selling club to an extent. I don't know the financial position of Hoffenheim but I'm pretty sure they're not in the top 10 of wealthy clubs.

£29m for Firmino might have been an offer too good to turn down for them. £29m for Liverpool is easy to reject given coutinho's ability and stature within the team due to our overall financial strength (relatively speaking).

I don't think it's as easy as picking a similar player at a similar age.
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true, and i guess having a wealthy PL means that the normal rules may not apply to transfer fees, both in terms of players coming to and those leaving the PL.

I was just curious why the reaction of some fans was somewhere between disbelief and disgust, from what i read arsenal have made/been mulling over a £25m bid for the current player of the year, and i haven't heard much indignation about that (suppose it helps that arro is banned).

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Just a reflection on the number of contributors on here I would say. If Mahrez played for Liverpool/Arsenal/Spurs/Utd etc and PSG offered 25m then I think you'd see the same response.

Coutinho has real talent, as someone said above, more than Sterling so to see someone walk out for a modest fee by today's standards would be galling. Liverpool are still rich enough to demand big money, PSG are rich enough to pay it - all adds up to a surprisingly low offer IMO.

Have to laugh when you hear the likes of Coutinho bemoaning lack of trophies, and the issue of no Champions league.
Maybe if the little fella bothered to turn up at big games, he may well already have both.
If he wants to leave, then let him go, but PSG need to double that silly offer if they hope to stand a chance of Liverpool doing business.

I love Coutinho but I wouldn't be miffed if he left. He still has a lot if improving to do to even be at the level we aspire to be and so do the rest of the squad.

Do you mean like scoring in the FA Cup semi-final, Cap 1 final, QF of the Europa, game changing goal against Utd in one of the biggest games between English sides in Europe, that kind of thing?

Honestly, some people really do talk drivel.

He's been built out to be a superstar and he simply isn't. Tidy player but consistently inconsistent.

For all the stick Brendan gets, to pay £8 million for PC was a stroke of genius and, in today's market, with 4 years left on his contract, he must be worth 5 times that

Four year left..
Much better than Sterling who we sold for £50m.

I would even answer any other call from PSG. If this is true then they're stupid morons.

comment by {honestlivpool~five~times} 👽 🐎 #worldpeace (U1661)

Four year left..
Much better than Sterling who we sold for £50m.

I would even answer any other call from PSG. If this is true then they're stupid morons.
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£23m is a perfectly reasonable opening offer.

Coutinho's stats aren't very impressive, he only recently got into the Brazil squad, he hasn't won any titles, not well known outside of the UK.

I actually think he is that good and his end product is improving year on year. He's far stronger now and can regularly play 90 mins which he couldn't a couple of seasons ago.

He gets A LOT of attention from opposition teams in their match set up.

I'm hopeful Firmino can kick on and we can get a central midfielder with a brilliant first touch and balance. Do that and I can see Coutinho wreaking havoc and becoming a 1 in 2 man given the extra space.

comment by #LiquidGenius (U20571)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by {honestlivpool~five~times} 👽 🐎 #worldpeace (U1661)

Four year left..
Much better than Sterling who we sold for £50m.

I would even answer any other call from PSG. If this is true then they're stupid morons.
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£23m is a perfectly reasonable opening offer.

Coutinho's stats aren't very impressive, he only recently got into the Brazil squad, he hasn't won any titles, not well known outside of the UK.
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It's not often you see a post where literally everything is incorrect so let's celebrate this one.

comment by Rauben Hoody - not well travelled (U6374)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by #LiquidGenius (U20571)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by {honestlivpool~five~times} 👽 🐎 #worldpeace (U1661)

Four year left..
Much better than Sterling who we sold for £50m.

I would even answer any other call from PSG. If this is true then they're stupid morons.
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£23m is a perfectly reasonable opening offer.

Coutinho's stats aren't very impressive, he only recently got into the Brazil squad, he hasn't won any titles, not well known outside of the UK.
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It's not often you see a post where literally everything is incorrect so let's celebrate this one.

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comment by Rauben Hoody - not well travelled (U6374)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by #LiquidGenius (U20571)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by {honestlivpool~five~times} 👽 🐎 #worldpeace (U1661)

Four year left..
Much better than Sterling who we sold for £50m.

I would even answer any other call from PSG. If this is true then they're stupid morons.
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£23m is a perfectly reasonable opening offer.

Coutinho's stats aren't very impressive, he only recently got into the Brazil squad, he hasn't won any titles, not well known outside of the UK.
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It's not often you see a post where literally everything is incorrect so let's celebrate this one.

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comment by selbstgerechtein (U7048)
posted 1 hour, 24 minutes ago
Do you mean like scoring in the FA Cup semi-final, Cap 1 final, QF of the Europa, game changing goal against Utd in one of the biggest games between English sides in Europe, that kind of thing?

Honestly, some people really do talk drivel.
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You are nothing but an inverted v@g1n@ you pu55y.
Coutinho goes missing in too many games and his tackling, decision making and final ball could improve IMO. We need more goals and assists from the positions behind the striker. As its been said his stats aren't exactly mind blowing but as I said the same applies to just about all the players.
Of course I'd much rather keep him, I dont think he'll leave just yet too but if he left I don't see why we can't replace him and be better for it. At this point in time its not guaranteed to be a step backwards IMO. A player who scores more than 8 goals in his best season but lacks the flair would still contribute more to the cause.
We need more if we are to get in the top 4 and/or challenge for trophies. Whether that's by the likes of Coutinho improving or by new signings I don't care.

I agree Robbing.

He is improving year on year, and this 'inconsistent' tag is just lazy to be honest.

In the PL last season he scored or assisted every 154 minutes, at 23.

Thats not incredible stats but its his best yet and compares favourably with all but the very best in the PL in his sort of position, Payet, Mahrez, Ozil, Eriksen, very few others are better statistically, and very few are better to watch on a pure football level either.

He's the one player in our team that every opposition manager tries to nullify.

Its just a matter of time before he has a Hazard/Mahrez type POTY season IMO. That's all he is really missing to be talked about in the top bracket.

My reply wasn't even to you Mamba.

Don't let that get in the way of your hissy fit though.

Couts pretty much a top draw player and he's still very young the problem we have is players like him a few and far between in the squad.

We need more quality being brought in and the players who are not good enough being moved on. Let's get the priorities right.

Its not my fault that you were ambiguous and left your comment open to interpretation.