comment by RonAlvinho (U6117)
posted 2 hours, 17 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 4 hours, 3 minutes ago
The only reason the rest of the word are clamouring for favourable trade deals is so that they can sell what they produce cheaper than if laden with EU regulations on things like quality and safety standards.
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Any legit evidence to back this up?
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The EU has legislation over a vast array of inputs to ensure quality is maintained and enhanced. This governs components, ingredients and social welfare of employees.
If you want to deny that is the case then you really don't know what the EU is all about.
If you think the rest of the world that is clamouring for favourable trade deals with the U.K. just to buy our produce you should think again.
They want to trade with us to sell to us. it's in their interest.
Of course there is the notion of the repeal bill, whether any move to strip away EU directives will be made remains to be seen.
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by RonAlvinho (U6117)
posted 2 hours, 17 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 4 hours, 3 minutes ago
The only reason the rest of the word are clamouring for favourable trade deals is so that they can sell what they produce cheaper than if laden with EU regulations on things like quality and safety standards.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Any legit evidence to back this up?
-----------
The EU has legislation over a vast array of inputs to ensure quality is maintained and enhanced. This governs components, ingredients and social welfare of employees.
If you want to deny that is the case then you really don't know what the EU is all about.
If you think the rest of the world that is clamouring for favourable trade deals with the U.K. just to buy our produce you should think again.
They want to trade with us to sell to us. it's in their interest.
Of course there is the notion of the repeal bill, whether any move to strip away EU directives will be made remains to be seen.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
55% of our exports go outside the EU, so it would help
So they want to sell to us.....good.
If the EU wish to impose pinitive tariffs that will encourage us to look elsewhere
55% of our exports go outside the EU, so it would help
-----
45% of our exports go to the EU then, making it our single largest trading partner.. especially when we import a hell of a lot from the EU.
Actually taking steps to make trade MORE expensive with this trading partner is complete lunacy.
For what?
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 43 minutes ago
55% of our exports go outside the EU, so it would help
-----
45% of our exports go to the EU then, making it our single largest trading partner.. especially when we import a hell of a lot from the EU.
Actually taking steps to make trade MORE expensive with this trading partner is complete lunacy.
For what?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In terms of exports.....
€1.30 would have bought you £1 of British goods pre vote.
Now €1.10 will do the same.
Our exporters could swallow almost 20% tariffs and not feel the difference.
In terms of imports....
Countries will be eager to set up trade deals with us to sell us stuff......you made this point yourself before you try and rebutt it.
If punitive tariffs on our exports are introduced by the EU, it will be up to us if we introduce tariffs on their exports. If we do, it may well be that goods are cheaper to buy from all the countries eager to sell us things (your words) in the event of trade deals
Pre vote 77p would have bought you €1 of goods from the EU
90p now. With a 10% tariff it would be almost parity.
That would mean a German car costing a Brit almost a third more than it does now.
How well do you think that sits.with the German car makers do you think? Their biggest market being priced out of buying their lovely motors.
I imagine not too well
Their biggest market being priced out of buying their lovely motors
------
German Automakers biggest market is the EU.
Our exporters could swallow almost 20% tariffs and not feel the difference
---------
On their imported commodities and parts for manufacture too?
You're not taking into consideration the very real spectre of inflation, which will put pressure on wages increasing to keep in line with cost of goods.
I can see what you're doing, trying to put a positive spin on the devaluation of the £, reality will be that fuel and food prices will increase.
Will the Tory government increase things like child benefit, winter fuel allowances and tax credits?
Doubtful..
Who will the Brexit vote have benefitted thus far? Not a single person in Britain. Not even Farage who has decided his political career is over (which is why he's supporting Donald Trump now?)
The best way for UK exports to increase would be via a reduction in waste (costs) for British manufacturers or increased innovation.
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 13 hours, 24 minutes ago
Their biggest market being priced out of buying their lovely motors
------
German Automakers biggest market is the EU.
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We are the biggest single country they sell cars to.
20% of their entire market
https://global.handelsblatt.com/edition/456/ressort/companies-markets/article/car-industry-would-bounce-back-experts-say
Who will the Brexit vote have benefitted thus far? Not a single person in Britain.
It hasn't technically hurt anyone either as nothings happened yet.
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 34 minutes ago
Who will the Brexit vote have benefitted thus far? Not a single person in Britain.
It hasn't technically hurt anyone either as nothings happened yet.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'd say anyone doing business on the continent, either buying or selling. Or anyone going for a holiday are feeling hurt over the last few weeks.
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 34 minutes ago
Who will the Brexit vote have benefitted thus far? Not a single person in Britain.
It hasn't technically hurt anyone either as nothings happened yet.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'd say anyone doing business on the continent, either buying or selling. Or anyone going for a holiday are feeling hurt over the last few weeks.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Edit: Selling on the continent not buying
The EU is incapable of making trade deals. Struggling with CETA after 7 years
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 1 week ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 13 hours, 24 minutes ago
Their biggest market being priced out of buying their lovely motors
------
German Automakers biggest market is the EU.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We are the biggest single country they sell cars to.
20% of their entire market
--------
So they sell 80% of their cars elsewhere.
Of all the cars manufactured in the U.K, 57% of cars are sold to the EU.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/22/leading-banks-set-to-pull-out-of-brexit-uk?CMP=fb_gu
The dramatic claim is made in the Observer by the chief executive of the British Bankers’ Association, Anthony Browne, who warns “the public and political debate at the moment is taking us in the wrong direction”.
Banks piling on the pressure on May
Although I'm no fan of the financial services sector it's importance to the economy cannot be overlooked.
Thê potential for this to happen was made abundantly clear prior to the referendum by those pesky experts/smeckspurts, who's opinions were worthless (according to the Brexiteers)
Not much of a shock that the financial sector are using Brexit to threaten the government into giving them what they want. They've done it on other occasions, its opportunism.
The Canadian-EU trade negotiations are giving us a good idea of the fun we're going to have negotiating with the EU. I'm sure they'll work it out, but it's mad that one Provence of one country can potentially scupper such a massive deal.
Difficult to deny that negotiating deals by ourselves should make it easier to come to an agreement with other countries, when the will is there.
I'm no Brexiter, but I doubt much will change in terms of the financial sector. At least back in the days I was in the business, a bank's New York, London or Hong Kong branches would often trade in each other's name or that of other branches - very often in the name of a tax haven branch that was no more than a P.O. box address.
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted about 2 hours ago
The Canadian-EU trade negotiations are giving us a good idea of the fun we're going to have negotiating with the EU. I'm sure they'll work it out, but it's mad that one Provence of one country can potentially scupper such a massive deal.
Difficult to deny that negotiating deals by ourselves should make it easier to come to an agreement with other countries, when the will is there.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The EU is a joke. We will probably get a deal but it will be hard
This is the EU and just one reason why it is broken.
Seven years, yes seven, wasted on a treaty with Canada that will not be ratified because of a very small part of Belgium. Not Belgium itself, but a part of it.
WTF?
Vid
Flemish v Walloon no doubt.
I blame the French.
Exceprts from a BBC.com article:
Wallonia has led objections to the deal, demanding stronger safeguards on labour, environmental and consumer standards.
The Belgian socialists' fears echo those of anti-globalisation activists, who say Ceta and deals like it give too much power to multinationals, granting power even to intimidate governments.
There have also been big demonstrations in several EU countries against Ceta and the TTIP trade talks between the EU and the US.
Canada and the EU would eliminate 98% of tariffs under Ceta, which was negotiated between 2009 and 2014.
Supporters say this would increase trade between them by 20%, and would especially help small businesses.
Critics say the deal threatens product standards and protects big business, allowing corporations to sue governments.
Ceta does not involve EU-style free movement of labour. But for British services - 80% of the UK economy - the Ceta terms are less favourable than those they have now.
-----------
Several things to take away from that:
Why is every government so eager to push through a trade deal ignoring concerns regarding labour, environmental and consumer standards?
Can a deal that is allegedly going to favour SMEs really award greater powers to transnational corporations? It simply doesn't add up.
Why does a deal that takes 5 years to negotiate take a further 2 years to approve?
And last but not least, why is the UK Gov't so eager to undersign an agreement that, according to the BBC, is on "terms less favourable than those they have now?"
Yes, VC, something is indeed broken in the EU.
To put it as briefly as possible, the EU is governed by an unelected few and a corrupted parliament, all of whom dance to the tune of multinational corporations.
In itself, however, pulling Britain out isn't going to change things, quite simply because your own politicians sold out long ago to the same people the EU has. They're by no means the powerless victims of an evil EU, but partners in the same crimes.
Viewing the EU as 'the problem' is to ignore the greater problem, which is that for a long time now our politicians, left and right, have ceased to serve those who vote them into power. Being part of an EU whose politicians serve the people would be much better than an independent UK that does not.
comment by Mourinho delenda est (U6426)
posted 33 minutes ago
Exceprts from a BBC.com article:
Wallonia has led objections to the deal, demanding stronger safeguards on labour, environmental and consumer standards.
The Belgian socialists' fears echo those of anti-globalisation activists, who say Ceta and deals like it give too much power to multinationals, granting power even to intimidate governments.
There have also been big demonstrations in several EU countries against Ceta and the TTIP trade talks between the EU and the US.
Canada and the EU would eliminate 98% of tariffs under Ceta, which was negotiated between 2009 and 2014.
Supporters say this would increase trade between them by 20%, and would especially help small businesses.
Critics say the deal threatens product standards and protects big business, allowing corporations to sue governments.
Ceta does not involve EU-style free movement of labour. But for British services - 80% of the UK economy - the Ceta terms are less favourable than those they have now.
-----------
Several things to take away from that:
Why is every government so eager to push through a trade deal ignoring concerns regarding labour, environmental and consumer standards?
Can a deal that is allegedly going to favour SMEs really award greater powers to transnational corporations? It simply doesn't add up.
Why does a deal that takes 5 years to negotiate take a further 2 years to approve?
And last but not least, why is the UK Gov't so eager to undersign an agreement that, according to the BBC, is on "terms less favourable than those they have now?"
Yes, VC, something is indeed broken in the EU.
To put it as briefly as possible, the EU is governed by an unelected few and a corrupted parliament, all of whom dance to the tune of multinational corporations.
In itself, however, pulling Britain out isn't going to change things, quite simply because your own politicians sold out long ago to the same people the EU has. They're by no means the powerless victims of an evil EU, but partners in the same crimes.
Viewing the EU as 'the problem' is to ignore the greater problem, which is that for a long time now our politicians, left and right, have ceased to serve those who vote them into power. Being part of an EU whose politicians serve the people would be much better than an independent UK that does not.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The funny thing is, you leave and lose your influence but must comply going forward
So essentially you lose all control and must comply without influence
How anyone thinks this is a better deal is unbelievable
The funny thing is, you leave and lose your influence but must comply going forward
So essentially you lose all control and must comply without influence
How anyone thinks this is a better deal is unbelievable
----------------------------
The problem is that UK, Germany, France and Italy, the four most populous countries in the EU have the same amount of power as the Walloon politically. Germany control the ECB so can exert influence through the exchequer. The rest have no power whatsoever. Its the lack of control thats driving most EU nations to the right.
EU was a great idea years ago. However no one expected the speed of globalisation. Large trading blocks are now a hindrance to future growth not a boon.
Indeed, but the EU will remain and we will continue to be victims of their whims without a veto
Was probably one of the most stupid decisions made
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posted on 14/10/16
comment by RonAlvinho (U6117)
posted 2 hours, 17 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 4 hours, 3 minutes ago
The only reason the rest of the word are clamouring for favourable trade deals is so that they can sell what they produce cheaper than if laden with EU regulations on things like quality and safety standards.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Any legit evidence to back this up?
-----------
The EU has legislation over a vast array of inputs to ensure quality is maintained and enhanced. This governs components, ingredients and social welfare of employees.
If you want to deny that is the case then you really don't know what the EU is all about.
If you think the rest of the world that is clamouring for favourable trade deals with the U.K. just to buy our produce you should think again.
They want to trade with us to sell to us. it's in their interest.
Of course there is the notion of the repeal bill, whether any move to strip away EU directives will be made remains to be seen.
posted on 14/10/16
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by RonAlvinho (U6117)
posted 2 hours, 17 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 4 hours, 3 minutes ago
The only reason the rest of the word are clamouring for favourable trade deals is so that they can sell what they produce cheaper than if laden with EU regulations on things like quality and safety standards.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Any legit evidence to back this up?
-----------
The EU has legislation over a vast array of inputs to ensure quality is maintained and enhanced. This governs components, ingredients and social welfare of employees.
If you want to deny that is the case then you really don't know what the EU is all about.
If you think the rest of the world that is clamouring for favourable trade deals with the U.K. just to buy our produce you should think again.
They want to trade with us to sell to us. it's in their interest.
Of course there is the notion of the repeal bill, whether any move to strip away EU directives will be made remains to be seen.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
55% of our exports go outside the EU, so it would help
So they want to sell to us.....good.
If the EU wish to impose pinitive tariffs that will encourage us to look elsewhere
posted on 14/10/16
55% of our exports go outside the EU, so it would help
-----
45% of our exports go to the EU then, making it our single largest trading partner.. especially when we import a hell of a lot from the EU.
Actually taking steps to make trade MORE expensive with this trading partner is complete lunacy.
For what?
posted on 14/10/16
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 43 minutes ago
55% of our exports go outside the EU, so it would help
-----
45% of our exports go to the EU then, making it our single largest trading partner.. especially when we import a hell of a lot from the EU.
Actually taking steps to make trade MORE expensive with this trading partner is complete lunacy.
For what?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In terms of exports.....
€1.30 would have bought you £1 of British goods pre vote.
Now €1.10 will do the same.
Our exporters could swallow almost 20% tariffs and not feel the difference.
In terms of imports....
Countries will be eager to set up trade deals with us to sell us stuff......you made this point yourself before you try and rebutt it.
If punitive tariffs on our exports are introduced by the EU, it will be up to us if we introduce tariffs on their exports. If we do, it may well be that goods are cheaper to buy from all the countries eager to sell us things (your words) in the event of trade deals
Pre vote 77p would have bought you €1 of goods from the EU
90p now. With a 10% tariff it would be almost parity.
That would mean a German car costing a Brit almost a third more than it does now.
How well do you think that sits.with the German car makers do you think? Their biggest market being priced out of buying their lovely motors.
I imagine not too well
posted on 14/10/16
Their biggest market being priced out of buying their lovely motors
------
German Automakers biggest market is the EU.
posted on 14/10/16
Our exporters could swallow almost 20% tariffs and not feel the difference
---------
On their imported commodities and parts for manufacture too?
You're not taking into consideration the very real spectre of inflation, which will put pressure on wages increasing to keep in line with cost of goods.
I can see what you're doing, trying to put a positive spin on the devaluation of the £, reality will be that fuel and food prices will increase.
Will the Tory government increase things like child benefit, winter fuel allowances and tax credits?
Doubtful..
Who will the Brexit vote have benefitted thus far? Not a single person in Britain. Not even Farage who has decided his political career is over (which is why he's supporting Donald Trump now?)
The best way for UK exports to increase would be via a reduction in waste (costs) for British manufacturers or increased innovation.
posted on 15/10/16
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 13 hours, 24 minutes ago
Their biggest market being priced out of buying their lovely motors
------
German Automakers biggest market is the EU.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We are the biggest single country they sell cars to.
20% of their entire market
https://global.handelsblatt.com/edition/456/ressort/companies-markets/article/car-industry-would-bounce-back-experts-say
posted on 15/10/16
Who will the Brexit vote have benefitted thus far? Not a single person in Britain.
It hasn't technically hurt anyone either as nothings happened yet.
posted on 15/10/16
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 34 minutes ago
Who will the Brexit vote have benefitted thus far? Not a single person in Britain.
It hasn't technically hurt anyone either as nothings happened yet.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'd say anyone doing business on the continent, either buying or selling. Or anyone going for a holiday are feeling hurt over the last few weeks.
posted on 15/10/16
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 34 minutes ago
Who will the Brexit vote have benefitted thus far? Not a single person in Britain.
It hasn't technically hurt anyone either as nothings happened yet.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'd say anyone doing business on the continent, either buying or selling. Or anyone going for a holiday are feeling hurt over the last few weeks.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Edit: Selling on the continent not buying
posted on 22/10/16
The EU is incapable of making trade deals. Struggling with CETA after 7 years
posted on 22/10/16
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 1 week ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 13 hours, 24 minutes ago
Their biggest market being priced out of buying their lovely motors
------
German Automakers biggest market is the EU.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We are the biggest single country they sell cars to.
20% of their entire market
--------
So they sell 80% of their cars elsewhere.
Of all the cars manufactured in the U.K, 57% of cars are sold to the EU.
posted on 23/10/16
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/22/leading-banks-set-to-pull-out-of-brexit-uk?CMP=fb_gu
The dramatic claim is made in the Observer by the chief executive of the British Bankers’ Association, Anthony Browne, who warns “the public and political debate at the moment is taking us in the wrong direction”.
posted on 23/10/16
Banks piling on the pressure on May
posted on 23/10/16
Although I'm no fan of the financial services sector it's importance to the economy cannot be overlooked.
Thê potential for this to happen was made abundantly clear prior to the referendum by those pesky experts/smeckspurts, who's opinions were worthless (according to the Brexiteers)
posted on 23/10/16
Not much of a shock that the financial sector are using Brexit to threaten the government into giving them what they want. They've done it on other occasions, its opportunism.
posted on 23/10/16
The Canadian-EU trade negotiations are giving us a good idea of the fun we're going to have negotiating with the EU. I'm sure they'll work it out, but it's mad that one Provence of one country can potentially scupper such a massive deal.
Difficult to deny that negotiating deals by ourselves should make it easier to come to an agreement with other countries, when the will is there.
posted on 23/10/16
I'm no Brexiter, but I doubt much will change in terms of the financial sector. At least back in the days I was in the business, a bank's New York, London or Hong Kong branches would often trade in each other's name or that of other branches - very often in the name of a tax haven branch that was no more than a P.O. box address.
posted on 23/10/16
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted about 2 hours ago
The Canadian-EU trade negotiations are giving us a good idea of the fun we're going to have negotiating with the EU. I'm sure they'll work it out, but it's mad that one Provence of one country can potentially scupper such a massive deal.
Difficult to deny that negotiating deals by ourselves should make it easier to come to an agreement with other countries, when the will is there.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The EU is a joke. We will probably get a deal but it will be hard
posted on 24/10/16
This is the EU and just one reason why it is broken.
Seven years, yes seven, wasted on a treaty with Canada that will not be ratified because of a very small part of Belgium. Not Belgium itself, but a part of it.
WTF?
posted on 25/10/16
Vid
Flemish v Walloon no doubt.
I blame the French.
posted on 26/10/16
Exceprts from a BBC.com article:
Wallonia has led objections to the deal, demanding stronger safeguards on labour, environmental and consumer standards.
The Belgian socialists' fears echo those of anti-globalisation activists, who say Ceta and deals like it give too much power to multinationals, granting power even to intimidate governments.
There have also been big demonstrations in several EU countries against Ceta and the TTIP trade talks between the EU and the US.
Canada and the EU would eliminate 98% of tariffs under Ceta, which was negotiated between 2009 and 2014.
Supporters say this would increase trade between them by 20%, and would especially help small businesses.
Critics say the deal threatens product standards and protects big business, allowing corporations to sue governments.
Ceta does not involve EU-style free movement of labour. But for British services - 80% of the UK economy - the Ceta terms are less favourable than those they have now.
-----------
Several things to take away from that:
Why is every government so eager to push through a trade deal ignoring concerns regarding labour, environmental and consumer standards?
Can a deal that is allegedly going to favour SMEs really award greater powers to transnational corporations? It simply doesn't add up.
Why does a deal that takes 5 years to negotiate take a further 2 years to approve?
And last but not least, why is the UK Gov't so eager to undersign an agreement that, according to the BBC, is on "terms less favourable than those they have now?"
Yes, VC, something is indeed broken in the EU.
To put it as briefly as possible, the EU is governed by an unelected few and a corrupted parliament, all of whom dance to the tune of multinational corporations.
In itself, however, pulling Britain out isn't going to change things, quite simply because your own politicians sold out long ago to the same people the EU has. They're by no means the powerless victims of an evil EU, but partners in the same crimes.
Viewing the EU as 'the problem' is to ignore the greater problem, which is that for a long time now our politicians, left and right, have ceased to serve those who vote them into power. Being part of an EU whose politicians serve the people would be much better than an independent UK that does not.
posted on 26/10/16
comment by Mourinho delenda est (U6426)
posted 33 minutes ago
Exceprts from a BBC.com article:
Wallonia has led objections to the deal, demanding stronger safeguards on labour, environmental and consumer standards.
The Belgian socialists' fears echo those of anti-globalisation activists, who say Ceta and deals like it give too much power to multinationals, granting power even to intimidate governments.
There have also been big demonstrations in several EU countries against Ceta and the TTIP trade talks between the EU and the US.
Canada and the EU would eliminate 98% of tariffs under Ceta, which was negotiated between 2009 and 2014.
Supporters say this would increase trade between them by 20%, and would especially help small businesses.
Critics say the deal threatens product standards and protects big business, allowing corporations to sue governments.
Ceta does not involve EU-style free movement of labour. But for British services - 80% of the UK economy - the Ceta terms are less favourable than those they have now.
-----------
Several things to take away from that:
Why is every government so eager to push through a trade deal ignoring concerns regarding labour, environmental and consumer standards?
Can a deal that is allegedly going to favour SMEs really award greater powers to transnational corporations? It simply doesn't add up.
Why does a deal that takes 5 years to negotiate take a further 2 years to approve?
And last but not least, why is the UK Gov't so eager to undersign an agreement that, according to the BBC, is on "terms less favourable than those they have now?"
Yes, VC, something is indeed broken in the EU.
To put it as briefly as possible, the EU is governed by an unelected few and a corrupted parliament, all of whom dance to the tune of multinational corporations.
In itself, however, pulling Britain out isn't going to change things, quite simply because your own politicians sold out long ago to the same people the EU has. They're by no means the powerless victims of an evil EU, but partners in the same crimes.
Viewing the EU as 'the problem' is to ignore the greater problem, which is that for a long time now our politicians, left and right, have ceased to serve those who vote them into power. Being part of an EU whose politicians serve the people would be much better than an independent UK that does not.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The funny thing is, you leave and lose your influence but must comply going forward
So essentially you lose all control and must comply without influence
How anyone thinks this is a better deal is unbelievable
posted on 26/10/16
The funny thing is, you leave and lose your influence but must comply going forward
So essentially you lose all control and must comply without influence
How anyone thinks this is a better deal is unbelievable
----------------------------
The problem is that UK, Germany, France and Italy, the four most populous countries in the EU have the same amount of power as the Walloon politically. Germany control the ECB so can exert influence through the exchequer. The rest have no power whatsoever. Its the lack of control thats driving most EU nations to the right.
EU was a great idea years ago. However no one expected the speed of globalisation. Large trading blocks are now a hindrance to future growth not a boon.
posted on 26/10/16
Indeed, but the EU will remain and we will continue to be victims of their whims without a veto
Was probably one of the most stupid decisions made
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