This article is embarrasing. Don't go blaming the general public for buying into propoganda from people like farage who shouldn't even have a place in politics
There are two reasons why this outcome has been reached:
1) The Remain Campaign was appalling, bitter and negative. Some posters on JA606 would've done a better job.
2) 60% of young people couldn't be bothered to vote.
However, this is the most democratic election Britain has possibly ever had. To complain is some serious sour grapes.
Has anyone got an estimate of what the swing would have like if more youth had voted? 43% or so voted, compared to an turnout of 80%+ for the older demographics. Had 80%+ of younger generations voted, would it have been a confident yes vote?
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 19 minutes ago
True democracy?What a crock. The intelligence of the populace has never been a factor in what or what does not constitute democracy. If the populace aren't intelligent enough to make their own decisions it doesn't mean it's not democratic, it's just a drawback of democracy.
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Yes, however they are voting for something which isn't true after being misled due to incorrect propaganda, admitted within hours after the vote. That's not a true democracy.
I'm not for taking away democracy or for taking the vote away from a certain age group, that's ridiculous, however I would love to see something done to prevent lies which swing the result of a democratic vote.
Vishnu it would have been a lot closer.
comment by Vishnu (U18090)
posted 15 seconds ago
Has anyone got an estimate of what the swing would have like if more youth had voted? 43% or so voted, compared to an turnout of 80%+ for the older demographics. Had 80%+ of younger generations voted, would it have been a confident yes vote?
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I doubt it. How many of those "sit on their backside, never went to school, racist Islamic ray gun" types that we keep hearing about to you actually think net to the effort of signing up to the electoral roll and traipsing a few miles to their nearest polling station?
Democrcy has always been like that.
Just force everyone to vote.
But I do see what you're saying, toor. That's just sadly what politics is.
Being unhappy at the outcome is one thing (I should know)
But the amount of feet stamping and wailing from a section of this forum has been rather embarrassing, what makes it worse is the fact the ones making all this noise are the ones proclaiming to be the "progressive future" of this nation
comment by Wales (U3904)
posted 27 seconds ago
Vishnu it would have been a lot closer.
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Well we don't know that for sure but even still, if people don't vote on their future then they can't complain at either outcome. I had to force my younger sister to go vote as it greatly effects her future, even though I knew she was voting out.
I had in mind that I didn't want her feeling she regretted not voting if it didn't go her way.
'Let's make Britain great again! How? We haven't a feckin' scooby...'
300 years ago, we had gunpowder and ships... It was a clear superiority.
What do we have now to 'woop ass': even our football hooligans have been usurped. Little England has no comprehension on how the globe has evolved and how competitive and hard working people are in other developing countries.
Little Britain become fat and entitled on a diet of beer and beef - they won't consider doing manual or menial work - no we need immigrants for that who should then be blamed and abused for being here and making life better for the UK and themselves...
'Want our country back'. Well I'm also British and I want MY country back. And I'm also prepared to defend my home at any cost.
Idiots.
I suspect there will be a large number of politicians from EU countries who have every intention of sticking two fingers up to the UK after this, and who will have no issues whatsoever with delivering slaps wherever possible. Not only have we just turned our backs on them, but Brexit is also likely to hurt the EU and by definition the countries that make up the EU. If France, Spain or Germany had just done something to hurt the UK economy, does anyone have any doubts our politicians would be happy to stick it to them wherever possible?
People seem to have some bizarre vision of the world where people from other countries have some secret love for the British. If you want to know how the Europeans are going to act on any Britain related matter, just swap the country names around and think abaout how YOU would react.
Bobby Dazzler just hit the nail on the head. Great BRATain...
comment by Wales (U3904)
posted 3 minutes ago
Vishnu it would have been a lot closer.
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Indeed
What's wrong with Beer and beef?
An idea I thought up was that anyone underage can be represented by their parents/guardians. As they are obviously going to be affected so their legal guardians should be able to vote on their behalf.
However, an obvious problem would be if the father and mother had different opinions. But still could be worked out
Vishnu,
Have you given any consideration to the fact that what might actually happen is the governement will start to accommodate the less suited to higher education by providing more access to courses in manual profession, instead of throwing up polytechnic universities all over the country that grant people access with 3 E's at A Level to do completely non-transferable courses, and shoehorning people into service industries?
But that's an issue for the people that didn't vote. Just because they didn't and it may have effected the outcome doesn't mean the votes should be weighted in favour of that demographic. Had he result been different I doubt you'd have written this article.
Rational democracy. Genuinely one of the most idiotic things I've ever read on here. And I've read comments by Maf and WengersNearlyMen.
Darren The King Fletcher is right. Moronic 'toys out of the pram' article. This is the worst article I've read in my short time here.
comment by Wales (U3904)
posted 2 minutes ago
An idea I thought up was that anyone underage can be represented by their parents/guardians. As they are obviously going to be affected so their legal guardians should be able to vote on their behalf.
However, an obvious problem would be if the father and mother had different opinions. But still could be worked out
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Problem with this is you're essentially giving people with children more of a voice than people with out.
It'd be too easy for people to take advatange.
If voting was that important they wouldn't let us do it.
Mark Twain "Samual Clemense"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2016/06/24/the-british-are-frantically-googling-what-the-eu-is-hours-after-voting-to-leave-it/?tid=pm_business_pop_b
People are frantically googling what did they actually vote for and what is EU.
Hilarious video of a brexit voter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Li7wNTkL-dY
Complusury voting is the best option. Even if there is a "No Vote" box.
I'm seeing that graphic trending showing older people voting 65% out, and younger people voting 35% out (or similar).... But as with all stats (hafi), it is misleading.... Another stat has since shown that only 25% of 18-25 year olds voted, so the idea that the older generation screwed over the younger one is skewed, at best.
At least with a compulsory voting system, the second point above wouldn't stand.
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posted on 25/6/16
This article is embarrasing. Don't go blaming the general public for buying into propoganda from people like farage who shouldn't even have a place in politics
posted on 25/6/16
There are two reasons why this outcome has been reached:
1) The Remain Campaign was appalling, bitter and negative. Some posters on JA606 would've done a better job.
2) 60% of young people couldn't be bothered to vote.
However, this is the most democratic election Britain has possibly ever had. To complain is some serious sour grapes.
posted on 25/6/16
Has anyone got an estimate of what the swing would have like if more youth had voted? 43% or so voted, compared to an turnout of 80%+ for the older demographics. Had 80%+ of younger generations voted, would it have been a confident yes vote?
posted on 25/6/16
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 19 minutes ago
True democracy?What a crock. The intelligence of the populace has never been a factor in what or what does not constitute democracy. If the populace aren't intelligent enough to make their own decisions it doesn't mean it's not democratic, it's just a drawback of democracy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes, however they are voting for something which isn't true after being misled due to incorrect propaganda, admitted within hours after the vote. That's not a true democracy.
I'm not for taking away democracy or for taking the vote away from a certain age group, that's ridiculous, however I would love to see something done to prevent lies which swing the result of a democratic vote.
posted on 25/6/16
Vishnu it would have been a lot closer.
posted on 25/6/16
comment by Vishnu (U18090)
posted 15 seconds ago
Has anyone got an estimate of what the swing would have like if more youth had voted? 43% or so voted, compared to an turnout of 80%+ for the older demographics. Had 80%+ of younger generations voted, would it have been a confident yes vote?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I doubt it. How many of those "sit on their backside, never went to school, racist Islamic ray gun" types that we keep hearing about to you actually think net to the effort of signing up to the electoral roll and traipsing a few miles to their nearest polling station?
posted on 25/6/16
Democrcy has always been like that.
posted on 25/6/16
Just force everyone to vote.
posted on 25/6/16
But I do see what you're saying, toor. That's just sadly what politics is.
posted on 25/6/16
Being unhappy at the outcome is one thing (I should know)
But the amount of feet stamping and wailing from a section of this forum has been rather embarrassing, what makes it worse is the fact the ones making all this noise are the ones proclaiming to be the "progressive future" of this nation
posted on 25/6/16
comment by Wales (U3904)
posted 27 seconds ago
Vishnu it would have been a lot closer.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well we don't know that for sure but even still, if people don't vote on their future then they can't complain at either outcome. I had to force my younger sister to go vote as it greatly effects her future, even though I knew she was voting out.
I had in mind that I didn't want her feeling she regretted not voting if it didn't go her way.
posted on 25/6/16
'Let's make Britain great again! How? We haven't a feckin' scooby...'
300 years ago, we had gunpowder and ships... It was a clear superiority.
What do we have now to 'woop ass': even our football hooligans have been usurped. Little England has no comprehension on how the globe has evolved and how competitive and hard working people are in other developing countries.
Little Britain become fat and entitled on a diet of beer and beef - they won't consider doing manual or menial work - no we need immigrants for that who should then be blamed and abused for being here and making life better for the UK and themselves...
'Want our country back'. Well I'm also British and I want MY country back. And I'm also prepared to defend my home at any cost.
Idiots.
posted on 25/6/16
I suspect there will be a large number of politicians from EU countries who have every intention of sticking two fingers up to the UK after this, and who will have no issues whatsoever with delivering slaps wherever possible. Not only have we just turned our backs on them, but Brexit is also likely to hurt the EU and by definition the countries that make up the EU. If France, Spain or Germany had just done something to hurt the UK economy, does anyone have any doubts our politicians would be happy to stick it to them wherever possible?
People seem to have some bizarre vision of the world where people from other countries have some secret love for the British. If you want to know how the Europeans are going to act on any Britain related matter, just swap the country names around and think abaout how YOU would react.
posted on 25/6/16
Bobby Dazzler just hit the nail on the head. Great BRATain...
posted on 25/6/16
comment by Wales (U3904)
posted 3 minutes ago
Vishnu it would have been a lot closer.
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Indeed
posted on 25/6/16
What's wrong with Beer and beef?
posted on 25/6/16
An idea I thought up was that anyone underage can be represented by their parents/guardians. As they are obviously going to be affected so their legal guardians should be able to vote on their behalf.
However, an obvious problem would be if the father and mother had different opinions. But still could be worked out
posted on 25/6/16
Vishnu,
Have you given any consideration to the fact that what might actually happen is the governement will start to accommodate the less suited to higher education by providing more access to courses in manual profession, instead of throwing up polytechnic universities all over the country that grant people access with 3 E's at A Level to do completely non-transferable courses, and shoehorning people into service industries?
posted on 25/6/16
But that's an issue for the people that didn't vote. Just because they didn't and it may have effected the outcome doesn't mean the votes should be weighted in favour of that demographic. Had he result been different I doubt you'd have written this article.
Rational democracy. Genuinely one of the most idiotic things I've ever read on here. And I've read comments by Maf and WengersNearlyMen.
posted on 25/6/16
Darren The King Fletcher is right. Moronic 'toys out of the pram' article. This is the worst article I've read in my short time here.
posted on 25/6/16
comment by Wales (U3904)
posted 2 minutes ago
An idea I thought up was that anyone underage can be represented by their parents/guardians. As they are obviously going to be affected so their legal guardians should be able to vote on their behalf.
However, an obvious problem would be if the father and mother had different opinions. But still could be worked out
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Problem with this is you're essentially giving people with children more of a voice than people with out.
It'd be too easy for people to take advatange.
posted on 25/6/16
If voting was that important they wouldn't let us do it.
Mark Twain "Samual Clemense"
posted on 25/6/16
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2016/06/24/the-british-are-frantically-googling-what-the-eu-is-hours-after-voting-to-leave-it/?tid=pm_business_pop_b
People are frantically googling what did they actually vote for and what is EU.
posted on 25/6/16
Hilarious video of a brexit voter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Li7wNTkL-dY
posted on 25/6/16
Complusury voting is the best option. Even if there is a "No Vote" box.
I'm seeing that graphic trending showing older people voting 65% out, and younger people voting 35% out (or similar).... But as with all stats (hafi), it is misleading.... Another stat has since shown that only 25% of 18-25 year olds voted, so the idea that the older generation screwed over the younger one is skewed, at best.
At least with a compulsory voting system, the second point above wouldn't stand.
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