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They are good players being led by an average and over paid manager.
Look at some of the other squads in this tournament, vastly inferior to England`s, yet they have direction and a plan, they play as a team, that comes from the management.
Unfortunately Roy is a poor manager, he picked the wrong players, used the wrong tactics and was out of his depth.
It's also mentality. English players are terrified when they play for England.
English players dont play abroad. Dont get experience of other styles and freeze like rabbits in the headlights when they come up against other styles.
Got to stop looking inwards. Got to stop being so insular.
(Ironic given the other major news this week!)
no belief....bottling cants
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 52 seconds ago
no belief....bottling cants
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Melts
I would say it is a combination of tactics and another England manager without the balls to do what is necessary.
Rooney should not be playing in midfield.
Ever.
I didn't think they resorted to hoof ball, I thought tonight we were to slow in the passing, to slow to get the ball forward and to slow to get the ball in the box. I lost count of the number of times someone in the wing took on the man, feigning to cross on one foot, then the other, and the other again etc etc till eventually Iceland had 11 players in and around the box and could easily defend the chance. Not until rashford came on (far too late to make a difference) did England beat a man on the wing and get a cross on from a dangerous position.
It's not just Roy though is it. It's been every manager since Bobby Robson
ery embarrassing performance today from a bunch of overpaid and average players who get hyped to no end as being world class
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No they dont.
not one of these players is world class and no one has said they are, its the first time i can remmeber people saying we have a mediocre side.
were just not very good, why the f are people suprised and outraged?
this is the worst englnd side since the early 90's
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 minutes ago
Melts
I would say it is a combination of tactics and another England manager without the balls to do what is necessary.
Rooney should not be playing in midfield.
Ever.
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You're right about England managers making silly decisions but if United can win a trophy with Rooney in midfield, England should be able to make the quarters at least in this tournament full of average teams. I don't think Rooney has been the problem or even particularly bad.
As has been said on here, it's largely a mental thing. The players just become cowards when playing for England.
It really is hard to tell how much is the manager and how much is the players. I mean I look at a manager like Conte for Italy and he appears to galvanise a team, and then I look at Hodge and he seems so clueless.
But then you look at the players and they are suddenly playing like pub standard players failing to control balls and make basic passes, and that just feels like a mentality problem regardless of the manager involved.
They are good players being led by an average and over paid manager.
utter rubbish.
rooney was one of our better players at this tournament.
he was not the problem.
the fact he is better in cm than any of the other players says more about them than anything
No quality, no mental strength, no desire.
They can all be ashamed of themselves.
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 27 seconds ago
rooney was one of our better players at this tournament.
he was not the problem.
the fact he is better in cm than any of the other players says more about them than anything
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Rooney was absolutely terrible.
Him and Kane were the worst players out there today.
Whats really annoying is the way the team was set up. Alli and Rooney try and play the same position. The fullbacks were so slow getting forward, Walker was a shadow of the player that provided so much width vs Wales. Rose has been poor as an attacker, was never moving to be an option. The whole team was so slow, whats the point of retaining possession if you don't do anything with it. We were reduced to shooting from 35 yards. Harry Kane was so poor, why is he taking free kicks, they were poor. Then you bring Vardy on, we get some success with a ball over the top and then don't do it again - there was so much space there in the first half. Shocking performance, some players need to have a long hard look at themselves.
comment by Koo Tee Neo (U9135)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 27 seconds ago
rooney was one of our better players at this tournament.
he was not the problem.
the fact he is better in cm than any of the other players says more about them than anything
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Rooney was absolutely terrible.
Him and Kane were the worst players out there today.
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Correct
The best English player on the pitch tonight was Rashford and he played 5 minutes.
Utter shambles from every other one of them.
comment by Koo Tee Neo (U9135)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 27 seconds ago
rooney was one of our better players at this tournament.
he was not the problem.
the fact he is better in cm than any of the other players says more about them than anything
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Rooney was absolutely terrible.
Him and Kane were the worst players out there today.
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Yes, but up until this game he had been our best player.
so whats your point?
The problem is there is no actual style/gameplan. The England team isn't an actual system, it's just the best players shoehorned into a formation. England need to pick a way of playing and fit the best players that suit that system into it.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 21 minutes ago
Melts
I would say it is a combination of tactics and another England manager without the balls to do what is necessary.
Rooney should not be playing in midfield.
Ever.
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Completely agree with that VC
Not really buying into the Rooney praise before this game.
Personally I think he's played it simple in midfield without really exerting a great deal of individual qaulity.
Like to see Rooneys central forward passing stats in this competition,if they exist.
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posted on 27/6/16
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posted on 27/6/16
They are good players being led by an average and over paid manager.
Look at some of the other squads in this tournament, vastly inferior to England`s, yet they have direction and a plan, they play as a team, that comes from the management.
Unfortunately Roy is a poor manager, he picked the wrong players, used the wrong tactics and was out of his depth.
posted on 27/6/16
It's also mentality. English players are terrified when they play for England.
posted on 27/6/16
English players dont play abroad. Dont get experience of other styles and freeze like rabbits in the headlights when they come up against other styles.
Got to stop looking inwards. Got to stop being so insular.
(Ironic given the other major news this week!)
posted on 27/6/16
Yup mainly tactics.
posted on 27/6/16
no belief....bottling cants
posted on 27/6/16
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 52 seconds ago
no belief....bottling cants
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posted on 27/6/16
No character.
posted on 27/6/16
Melts
I would say it is a combination of tactics and another England manager without the balls to do what is necessary.
Rooney should not be playing in midfield.
Ever.
posted on 27/6/16
I didn't think they resorted to hoof ball, I thought tonight we were to slow in the passing, to slow to get the ball forward and to slow to get the ball in the box. I lost count of the number of times someone in the wing took on the man, feigning to cross on one foot, then the other, and the other again etc etc till eventually Iceland had 11 players in and around the box and could easily defend the chance. Not until rashford came on (far too late to make a difference) did England beat a man on the wing and get a cross on from a dangerous position.
posted on 27/6/16
It's not just Roy though is it. It's been every manager since Bobby Robson
posted on 27/6/16
ery embarrassing performance today from a bunch of overpaid and average players who get hyped to no end as being world class
===========================
No they dont.
not one of these players is world class and no one has said they are, its the first time i can remmeber people saying we have a mediocre side.
were just not very good, why the f are people suprised and outraged?
this is the worst englnd side since the early 90's
posted on 27/6/16
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 minutes ago
Melts
I would say it is a combination of tactics and another England manager without the balls to do what is necessary.
Rooney should not be playing in midfield.
Ever.
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You're right about England managers making silly decisions but if United can win a trophy with Rooney in midfield, England should be able to make the quarters at least in this tournament full of average teams. I don't think Rooney has been the problem or even particularly bad.
As has been said on here, it's largely a mental thing. The players just become cowards when playing for England.
posted on 27/6/16
It really is hard to tell how much is the manager and how much is the players. I mean I look at a manager like Conte for Italy and he appears to galvanise a team, and then I look at Hodge and he seems so clueless.
But then you look at the players and they are suddenly playing like pub standard players failing to control balls and make basic passes, and that just feels like a mentality problem regardless of the manager involved.
posted on 27/6/16
They are good players being led by an average and over paid manager.
utter rubbish.
posted on 27/6/16
rooney was one of our better players at this tournament.
he was not the problem.
the fact he is better in cm than any of the other players says more about them than anything
posted on 27/6/16
No quality, no mental strength, no desire.
They can all be ashamed of themselves.
posted on 27/6/16
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 27 seconds ago
rooney was one of our better players at this tournament.
he was not the problem.
the fact he is better in cm than any of the other players says more about them than anything
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Rooney was absolutely terrible.
Him and Kane were the worst players out there today.
posted on 27/6/16
Whats really annoying is the way the team was set up. Alli and Rooney try and play the same position. The fullbacks were so slow getting forward, Walker was a shadow of the player that provided so much width vs Wales. Rose has been poor as an attacker, was never moving to be an option. The whole team was so slow, whats the point of retaining possession if you don't do anything with it. We were reduced to shooting from 35 yards. Harry Kane was so poor, why is he taking free kicks, they were poor. Then you bring Vardy on, we get some success with a ball over the top and then don't do it again - there was so much space there in the first half. Shocking performance, some players need to have a long hard look at themselves.
posted on 27/6/16
comment by Koo Tee Neo (U9135)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 27 seconds ago
rooney was one of our better players at this tournament.
he was not the problem.
the fact he is better in cm than any of the other players says more about them than anything
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Rooney was absolutely terrible.
Him and Kane were the worst players out there today.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Correct
The best English player on the pitch tonight was Rashford and he played 5 minutes.
Utter shambles from every other one of them.
posted on 27/6/16
comment by Koo Tee Neo (U9135)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 27 seconds ago
rooney was one of our better players at this tournament.
he was not the problem.
the fact he is better in cm than any of the other players says more about them than anything
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Rooney was absolutely terrible.
Him and Kane were the worst players out there today.
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Yes, but up until this game he had been our best player.
so whats your point?
posted on 27/6/16
The problem is there is no actual style/gameplan. The England team isn't an actual system, it's just the best players shoehorned into a formation. England need to pick a way of playing and fit the best players that suit that system into it.
posted on 27/6/16
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 21 minutes ago
Melts
I would say it is a combination of tactics and another England manager without the balls to do what is necessary.
Rooney should not be playing in midfield.
Ever.
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Completely agree with that VC
posted on 27/6/16
Not really buying into the Rooney praise before this game.
Personally I think he's played it simple in midfield without really exerting a great deal of individual qaulity.
posted on 27/6/16
Like to see Rooneys central forward passing stats in this competition,if they exist.
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