what we need is a cm that can dictate the pace either through passing or otherwise.
Pogba is not that guy. He is a cm with wonderful abilities that allows him to do something magical. Pretty much what the number 10 will be doing.
comment by the GINGER PRINCE'S apprentice (U13920)
posted 13 seconds ago
what we need is a cm that can dictate the pace either through passing or otherwise.
Pogba is not that guy. He is a cm with wonderful abilities that allows him to do something magical. Pretty much what the number 10 will be doing.
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We have Bastian who does the same provided he is fit.
Blind also dictates the play quite well and is composed on the ball. Pogba is just a money shot player nothing else. He is a good player but not needed currently
Rooney ( who will occasionally play there inspite of what Jose says)
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Privy to some insider info are you?
We don't need a centre midfielder in order to put out an 11 with each player in their preferred position.
However, if we want to progress as a club and compete against the better teams in the league and in Europe then we need to improve the quality we currently have there.
Schweinsteiger and Carrick are at the end of their careers and past their best. Neither are elite players.
Fellaini is turgid on the ball and is most effective as a number 10, receiving the ball at chest height or providing knock downs for the winger or striker.
Schneiderlin and Blind are both too slow to pair with any of those mentioned above, and would be better suited to holding in a midfield 3, which is the only midfield formation I'd want to see Herrera featured in. Schneiderlin's passing is also pretty dire from what he showed last season.
Of course we need Pogba.
He's miles better than anyone we have and gives us someone who can provide magic and strength
Something we just don't have
comment by the GINGER PRINCE'S apprentice (U13920)
posted 13 seconds ago
what we need is a cm that can dictate the pace either through passing or otherwise.
Pogba is not that guy. He is a cm with wonderful abilities that allows him to do something magical. Pretty much what the number 10 will be doing.
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We have Bastian who does the same provided he is fit.
Blind also dictates the play quite well and is composed on the ball. Pogba is just a money shot player nothing else. He is a good player but not needed currently
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the thing is bastian 5 years agao was that player. He did this due to his sheer physicality which he now lacks and in the epl is even more obvious.
blind has yet to prove he can control game,
today for example we got over-run in cm biggest reason is not having that player that can always receive the ball under pressure and still do something positive with it
Yes. We need quality, not quantity.
Schweinsteiger just cant stay fit and when he has he's been somewhat underwhelming. If a good offer comes in for him we should consider it. Though unlikely.
Fellaini is about as unfashionable as you can get for a midfielder but ,minor the laughs, he does have his uses.
Not a starter for me though.
Schneiderlin could be a very handy player for us if he just realizes it himself. Not the greatest midfielder out there ,granted, but he certainly played within himself last season.
Blind, still not convinced in a midfield role. Can go missing and isnt a dominant player who, especially for the role he has in midfield, doesn’t impose himself on the game enough. He’ll play it nice and simple but wont exert himself in doing much more than that.
Herrera is just 'meh'. Not particularly great at anything. Just has a solid all round game but ,like Blind, can go missing when the pressure is on.
Carrick is still very much our best central player but his time must surely be up now. We cant keep relying on him to control the tempo of our game, which is slowly becoming a little to unadventurous because of his age and lack of his mobility around the pitch now which inturn puts a certain amount of players,especially the creative ones,being less risky.
I have to admit I think we've all noticed Blinds 'xaviesque' passing.
The guy could be world class if he could just, you know, have a talent infusion
comment by Paul Robbga (U20351)
posted 26 seconds ago
Of course we need Pogba.
He's miles better than anyone we have and gives us someone who can provide magic and strength
Something we just don't have
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We have Ibrahimovic, Martial and Rashford who provide us with Strength, Speed and Shooting. Doesn't have to be a CM.
In the wings we have Mata, Lingard, Januzaj, Young. In the no 10 role we have Mikhi who got 50 goals/ assists combined last year.
What we need is a CB and a right winger (in case a top one is available). Mid field is our least concern along with a striker
the problem with getting pogba is he does not play as a number 8/6
he has always been the most advanced in a midfield trio
he will be powerless to stop us being over-run in cm. France vs germany explains this best
comment by Rui Faria (U21081)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Paul Robbga (U20351)
posted 26 seconds ago
Of course we need Pogba.
He's miles better than anyone we have and gives us someone who can provide magic and strength
Something we just don't have
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We have Ibrahimovic, Martial and Rashford who provide us with Strength, Speed and Shooting. Doesn't have to be a CM.
In the wings we have Mata, Lingard, Januzaj, Young. In the no 10 role we have Mikhi who got 50 goals/ assists combined last year.
What we need is a CB and a right winger (in case a top one is available). Mid field is our least concern along with a striker
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None of our midfielders are top class.
Pogba is top class.
I'm sure you yearn for the days when we used to win cups with Anderson and Cleverley in midfield but those days are gone
comment by manutd1982 (U6633) posted 1 minute ago
Yes. We need quality, not quantity.
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This.
Schweinsteiger can't run or stay fit, nor can Carrick. And even when he was fit last year, Schweinsteiger was awful, by and large.
Blind is a good player, one whom I want to see get chances in CM but he's not going to be outstanding, is he?
Herrera has been rubbish for over a year now, though I hope he can improve under Jose. Certainly can't be relied upon on recent form though.
Schneiderlin was poor last season but I think he could come good under Jose.
Fellaini is Fellaini, a disaster waiting to happen at all times.
Rooney isn't a CM and thankfully won't be played there.
So that leaves us with Blind, Schneiderlin and Herrera as the only players I think could potentially shine and all have huge question marks over them. So yes, we absolutely need another CM
comment by the GINGER PRINCE'S apprentice (U13920)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by the GINGER PRINCE'S apprentice (U13920)
posted 13 seconds ago
what we need is a cm that can dictate the pace either through passing or otherwise.
Pogba is not that guy. He is a cm with wonderful abilities that allows him to do something magical. Pretty much what the number 10 will be doing.
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We have Bastian who does the same provided he is fit.
Blind also dictates the play quite well and is composed on the ball. Pogba is just a money shot player nothing else. He is a good player but not needed currently
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the thing is bastian 5 years agao was that player. He did this due to his sheer physicality which he now lacks and in the epl is even more obvious.
blind has yet to prove he can control game,
today for example we got over-run in cm biggest reason is not having that player that can always receive the ball under pressure and still do something positive with it
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Tbf barring Bailly, Shaw, Mikhy none of our line up would be starting in the first game of the season.
Dortmund are further than us in pre season and it showed. Had we played Zlatan, Smalling, De Gea (that first goal changes everything), Bastian, Martial it would have been a different picture.
Blind and Bastian are capable imo to stand up to any PL mid field at the moment. We also have Herrera and Morgan who will probably be our first choice partnership
the best ever non sentimental thing we can do is sign a top rw, play miki as number 10 meaning mata and rooney miss out
Yes. We need quality, not quantity.
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That in a nutshell has been the main issue with our spending in general post SAF.
comment by Paul Robbga (U20351)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Rui Faria (U21081)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Paul Robbga (U20351)
posted 26 seconds ago
Of course we need Pogba.
He's miles better than anyone we have and gives us someone who can provide magic and strength
Something we just don't have
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We have Ibrahimovic, Martial and Rashford who provide us with Strength, Speed and Shooting. Doesn't have to be a CM.
In the wings we have Mata, Lingard, Januzaj, Young. In the no 10 role we have Mikhi who got 50 goals/ assists combined last year.
What we need is a CB and a right winger (in case a top one is available). Mid field is our least concern along with a striker
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None of our midfielders are top class.
Pogba is top class.
I'm sure you yearn for the days when we used to win cups with Anderson and Cleverley in midfield but those days are gone
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Can't compare our current mid field to Anderson and Cleverley. Pound for pound every single of our mid fielders including Fellaini are miles better than them.
We have far superior attackers like Zlatan, Martial, Rashford, Mikhy to trouble the opposition
rui
that's a good point. But the question is bringing in pogba those not solve any of of our problems
my logic is not based on today but the squad we have and their abilities.
comment by the GINGER PRINCE'S apprentice (U13920)
posted 2 minutes ago
the best ever non sentimental thing we can do is sign a top rw, play miki as number 10 meaning mata and rooney miss out
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Reus
comment by the GINGER PRINCE'S apprentice (U13920)
posted 22 seconds ago
rui
that's a good point. But the question is bringing in pogba those not solve any of of our problems
my logic is not based on today but the squad we have and their abilities.
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I don't know how Pogba will solve our problems. For Pogba to operate at his best he should be the left central midfielder or the furthest mid fielder. Exactly the same position Rooney or Mikhy will operate.
If pogba plays deeper we would negate his best qualitites ie his creativity in the final third and shooting.
In short it would be a Yaya Toure type conundrum. Toure is best when operated the furthest mid fielder.
Reus work better on the left.
Mahrez is the obvious solution.
rui
i meant pogba does not solve our problem
completely agree with the yaya toure conundrum comparison and I don't get why others can't see this simple logic. Not to mention the weaknesses we have else where.
Do we even need a CM (Pogba)??
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I think the reaction you've received says it all OP.
As many have mentioned already, we have the numbers but what we don't have is top quality.
If both Carrick and Schweinsteiger were 5-10 years younger, I would probably agree with you but unfortunately, neither can be relied upon to play week in week out during the season and even though I do like both Herrera and Schneiderlin and believe both can and will improve under José, I think we'd still be missing something.
Tbh I'd prefer a player who can control the midfield and move the ball forward quickly and accurately both short and long but we have a genuine opportunity to sign Pogba and as uncomfortable as I am with the price, I don't think it's an opportunity we should pass up.
What we're lacking is a player who can dominate the tempo of the game.Carrick and to some extent Bastion could do that but both are unreliable when it comes to fitness plus their bodies are clearly on the decline at the top,top level.
Herrera,Blind and Morgan are players who are incapable of doing such roles because they're not those types of players,alongside Pogba if that possible signing goes through.
The only downfull to this is those type of players ie like a Modric for example are in short,short suply but the demand for such players is huge.
Honestly I would much rather us break the bank for someone like Koke,who I still believe is being underdeveloped under Simone,than Pogba.
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posted on 22/7/16
what we need is a cm that can dictate the pace either through passing or otherwise.
Pogba is not that guy. He is a cm with wonderful abilities that allows him to do something magical. Pretty much what the number 10 will be doing.
posted on 22/7/16
comment by the GINGER PRINCE'S apprentice (U13920)
posted 13 seconds ago
what we need is a cm that can dictate the pace either through passing or otherwise.
Pogba is not that guy. He is a cm with wonderful abilities that allows him to do something magical. Pretty much what the number 10 will be doing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We have Bastian who does the same provided he is fit.
Blind also dictates the play quite well and is composed on the ball. Pogba is just a money shot player nothing else. He is a good player but not needed currently
posted on 22/7/16
Rooney ( who will occasionally play there inspite of what Jose says)
-
Privy to some insider info are you?
We don't need a centre midfielder in order to put out an 11 with each player in their preferred position.
However, if we want to progress as a club and compete against the better teams in the league and in Europe then we need to improve the quality we currently have there.
Schweinsteiger and Carrick are at the end of their careers and past their best. Neither are elite players.
Fellaini is turgid on the ball and is most effective as a number 10, receiving the ball at chest height or providing knock downs for the winger or striker.
Schneiderlin and Blind are both too slow to pair with any of those mentioned above, and would be better suited to holding in a midfield 3, which is the only midfield formation I'd want to see Herrera featured in. Schneiderlin's passing is also pretty dire from what he showed last season.
posted on 22/7/16
Of course we need Pogba.
He's miles better than anyone we have and gives us someone who can provide magic and strength
Something we just don't have
posted on 22/7/16
comment by the GINGER PRINCE'S apprentice (U13920)
posted 13 seconds ago
what we need is a cm that can dictate the pace either through passing or otherwise.
Pogba is not that guy. He is a cm with wonderful abilities that allows him to do something magical. Pretty much what the number 10 will be doing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We have Bastian who does the same provided he is fit.
Blind also dictates the play quite well and is composed on the ball. Pogba is just a money shot player nothing else. He is a good player but not needed currently
-----------------------------
the thing is bastian 5 years agao was that player. He did this due to his sheer physicality which he now lacks and in the epl is even more obvious.
blind has yet to prove he can control game,
today for example we got over-run in cm biggest reason is not having that player that can always receive the ball under pressure and still do something positive with it
posted on 22/7/16
Yes. We need quality, not quantity.
posted on 22/7/16
Is that you Mino?
posted on 22/7/16
Schweinsteiger just cant stay fit and when he has he's been somewhat underwhelming. If a good offer comes in for him we should consider it. Though unlikely.
Fellaini is about as unfashionable as you can get for a midfielder but ,minor the laughs, he does have his uses.
Not a starter for me though.
Schneiderlin could be a very handy player for us if he just realizes it himself. Not the greatest midfielder out there ,granted, but he certainly played within himself last season.
Blind, still not convinced in a midfield role. Can go missing and isnt a dominant player who, especially for the role he has in midfield, doesn’t impose himself on the game enough. He’ll play it nice and simple but wont exert himself in doing much more than that.
Herrera is just 'meh'. Not particularly great at anything. Just has a solid all round game but ,like Blind, can go missing when the pressure is on.
Carrick is still very much our best central player but his time must surely be up now. We cant keep relying on him to control the tempo of our game, which is slowly becoming a little to unadventurous because of his age and lack of his mobility around the pitch now which inturn puts a certain amount of players,especially the creative ones,being less risky.
posted on 22/7/16
I have to admit I think we've all noticed Blinds 'xaviesque' passing.
The guy could be world class if he could just, you know, have a talent infusion
posted on 22/7/16
comment by Paul Robbga (U20351)
posted 26 seconds ago
Of course we need Pogba.
He's miles better than anyone we have and gives us someone who can provide magic and strength
Something we just don't have
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We have Ibrahimovic, Martial and Rashford who provide us with Strength, Speed and Shooting. Doesn't have to be a CM.
In the wings we have Mata, Lingard, Januzaj, Young. In the no 10 role we have Mikhi who got 50 goals/ assists combined last year.
What we need is a CB and a right winger (in case a top one is available). Mid field is our least concern along with a striker
posted on 22/7/16
the problem with getting pogba is he does not play as a number 8/6
he has always been the most advanced in a midfield trio
he will be powerless to stop us being over-run in cm. France vs germany explains this best
posted on 22/7/16
comment by Rui Faria (U21081)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Paul Robbga (U20351)
posted 26 seconds ago
Of course we need Pogba.
He's miles better than anyone we have and gives us someone who can provide magic and strength
Something we just don't have
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We have Ibrahimovic, Martial and Rashford who provide us with Strength, Speed and Shooting. Doesn't have to be a CM.
In the wings we have Mata, Lingard, Januzaj, Young. In the no 10 role we have Mikhi who got 50 goals/ assists combined last year.
What we need is a CB and a right winger (in case a top one is available). Mid field is our least concern along with a striker
----------------------------------------------------------------------
None of our midfielders are top class.
Pogba is top class.
I'm sure you yearn for the days when we used to win cups with Anderson and Cleverley in midfield but those days are gone
posted on 22/7/16
comment by manutd1982 (U6633) posted 1 minute ago
Yes. We need quality, not quantity.
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This.
Schweinsteiger can't run or stay fit, nor can Carrick. And even when he was fit last year, Schweinsteiger was awful, by and large.
Blind is a good player, one whom I want to see get chances in CM but he's not going to be outstanding, is he?
Herrera has been rubbish for over a year now, though I hope he can improve under Jose. Certainly can't be relied upon on recent form though.
Schneiderlin was poor last season but I think he could come good under Jose.
Fellaini is Fellaini, a disaster waiting to happen at all times.
Rooney isn't a CM and thankfully won't be played there.
So that leaves us with Blind, Schneiderlin and Herrera as the only players I think could potentially shine and all have huge question marks over them. So yes, we absolutely need another CM
posted on 22/7/16
comment by the GINGER PRINCE'S apprentice (U13920)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by the GINGER PRINCE'S apprentice (U13920)
posted 13 seconds ago
what we need is a cm that can dictate the pace either through passing or otherwise.
Pogba is not that guy. He is a cm with wonderful abilities that allows him to do something magical. Pretty much what the number 10 will be doing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We have Bastian who does the same provided he is fit.
Blind also dictates the play quite well and is composed on the ball. Pogba is just a money shot player nothing else. He is a good player but not needed currently
-----------------------------
the thing is bastian 5 years agao was that player. He did this due to his sheer physicality which he now lacks and in the epl is even more obvious.
blind has yet to prove he can control game,
today for example we got over-run in cm biggest reason is not having that player that can always receive the ball under pressure and still do something positive with it
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Tbf barring Bailly, Shaw, Mikhy none of our line up would be starting in the first game of the season.
Dortmund are further than us in pre season and it showed. Had we played Zlatan, Smalling, De Gea (that first goal changes everything), Bastian, Martial it would have been a different picture.
Blind and Bastian are capable imo to stand up to any PL mid field at the moment. We also have Herrera and Morgan who will probably be our first choice partnership
posted on 22/7/16
the best ever non sentimental thing we can do is sign a top rw, play miki as number 10 meaning mata and rooney miss out
posted on 22/7/16
Yes. We need quality, not quantity.
=====================================
That in a nutshell has been the main issue with our spending in general post SAF.
posted on 22/7/16
comment by Paul Robbga (U20351)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Rui Faria (U21081)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Paul Robbga (U20351)
posted 26 seconds ago
Of course we need Pogba.
He's miles better than anyone we have and gives us someone who can provide magic and strength
Something we just don't have
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We have Ibrahimovic, Martial and Rashford who provide us with Strength, Speed and Shooting. Doesn't have to be a CM.
In the wings we have Mata, Lingard, Januzaj, Young. In the no 10 role we have Mikhi who got 50 goals/ assists combined last year.
What we need is a CB and a right winger (in case a top one is available). Mid field is our least concern along with a striker
----------------------------------------------------------------------
None of our midfielders are top class.
Pogba is top class.
I'm sure you yearn for the days when we used to win cups with Anderson and Cleverley in midfield but those days are gone
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Can't compare our current mid field to Anderson and Cleverley. Pound for pound every single of our mid fielders including Fellaini are miles better than them.
We have far superior attackers like Zlatan, Martial, Rashford, Mikhy to trouble the opposition
posted on 22/7/16
rui
that's a good point. But the question is bringing in pogba those not solve any of of our problems
my logic is not based on today but the squad we have and their abilities.
posted on 22/7/16
comment by the GINGER PRINCE'S apprentice (U13920)
posted 2 minutes ago
the best ever non sentimental thing we can do is sign a top rw, play miki as number 10 meaning mata and rooney miss out
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Reus
posted on 22/7/16
comment by the GINGER PRINCE'S apprentice (U13920)
posted 22 seconds ago
rui
that's a good point. But the question is bringing in pogba those not solve any of of our problems
my logic is not based on today but the squad we have and their abilities.
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I don't know how Pogba will solve our problems. For Pogba to operate at his best he should be the left central midfielder or the furthest mid fielder. Exactly the same position Rooney or Mikhy will operate.
If pogba plays deeper we would negate his best qualitites ie his creativity in the final third and shooting.
In short it would be a Yaya Toure type conundrum. Toure is best when operated the furthest mid fielder.
posted on 22/7/16
Reus work better on the left.
Mahrez is the obvious solution.
posted on 22/7/16
rui
i meant pogba does not solve our problem
completely agree with the yaya toure conundrum comparison and I don't get why others can't see this simple logic. Not to mention the weaknesses we have else where.
posted on 22/7/16
Do we even need a CM (Pogba)??
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I think the reaction you've received says it all OP.
As many have mentioned already, we have the numbers but what we don't have is top quality.
If both Carrick and Schweinsteiger were 5-10 years younger, I would probably agree with you but unfortunately, neither can be relied upon to play week in week out during the season and even though I do like both Herrera and Schneiderlin and believe both can and will improve under José, I think we'd still be missing something.
Tbh I'd prefer a player who can control the midfield and move the ball forward quickly and accurately both short and long but we have a genuine opportunity to sign Pogba and as uncomfortable as I am with the price, I don't think it's an opportunity we should pass up.
posted on 22/7/16
What we're lacking is a player who can dominate the tempo of the game.Carrick and to some extent Bastion could do that but both are unreliable when it comes to fitness plus their bodies are clearly on the decline at the top,top level.
Herrera,Blind and Morgan are players who are incapable of doing such roles because they're not those types of players,alongside Pogba if that possible signing goes through.
The only downfull to this is those type of players ie like a Modric for example are in short,short suply but the demand for such players is huge.
posted on 22/7/16
Honestly I would much rather us break the bank for someone like Koke,who I still believe is being underdeveloped under Simone,than Pogba.
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