right,for arguements sake ripley,the away section is behind the goal at west brom/west ham/birmingham and when watching the highlights of those games on MOTD i could see empty seats in the city bit. sure you could as well. tottenham and everton i believe both went on general sale,not sure if they did in the end sell out,not too fussed either. chelsea away was on sky sports as well and it looked as if the city fans had gone to the game in a helicopter such was the size of the away following...

Whoa, I think we've just been told Boris.

Tell you what fallowfield, when you do start to point out the obvious, instead of spouting "facts" that have been proved to be incorrect, then I'll more than happily call it quits.

how are they incorrect? higher average attendance than city every single season for 64 years running.

West Brom's a bad example, 3 years ago they charged £47 for kids.

And that's your idea of proving a fact? From stating in one post that you're "pointing out facts", to then stating in your next post "I believe", and "I could see", and (save the best till last), you're not too fussed anyway whether City did or did not sell out?

"how are they incorrect"

Wait a moment, you didn't earlier say that you were mistaken did you not? You have pointed out many more (what you are all-to-eager to call) "facts" than the one about United having a higher average attendance than City since 1947...

The club decide how many tickets to apply for, the fans have no say.

the same game against chelsea when there was a problem for city fans getting into ground as stated on sky ( this i know because wife text to see if I had got in and she was watching sky) if you look at the footage after 20 mins as gone (i'm sure you sky + it because you love us really) you'll see a vast improvement from the start of the game not full to bursting but it would needed to a f0341ng big helicopter

west brom charged me £42 for a ticket on new years day last season and it was the early kick off. yet we still sold out...

boris,the club ask for what they think the supporters will sell as they end up losing out on tickets that go unsold. therefore your club is admitting that they know you won't be able to sell a full allocation at places like tottenham and that's why they ask for the reduced allocation.

This is not about whether United sell out or not. It's about whether City sell out more often than you claim we do. Your claim being that we "rarely sell out".

Wow, an argument about attendance! Not seen that since, ooh, yesterday

One thing that United fans conveniently forget is that, although Manchester is one of the largest cities in the country, it's got a relatively small population (smaller than Sheffield, apparently) and seeing as we're sharing it with arguably the most successful club in the country, it's always going to be hard to fill. Now, if we had a population the size of Birmingham's, it would be less of a problem. But we don't, so we have to work with what we have.

Anyway, I thought this was an article about City increasing the capacity of the stadium a bit in order to increase revenue. So we might not fill every seat for every game. Doesn't matter, because we have the option of selling more. Also, if there are more seats, that means more season tickets are available, which should meet the increased demand and - this is the bonus - mean that they won't be ramping up the price! Sounds like a victory for the hard-up supporter to me.

So £42 for an adult is better value than £47 for a junior ticket.

Well you've got me there so I'll bale out of the discussion.

so every single fan is under the age of 16? no wonder those midweek cup games are so poorly attended,they must kick off after your bed time.....

Anyway, I thought this was an article about City increasing the capacity of the stadium a bit in order to increase revenue

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You know, I've made several comments on this thread but not one related to the actual point that the OP raised!!!

So, City's season ticket waiting list is (I believe) 3 years. Therefore, we need a higher attendence just so that we can accommodate for all the people on the st waiting list. Obviously, as it stands, a lot/majority of the people on the waiting list will still attend games, so being able to issue enough season tickets to accommodate demand won't necessarily result in a substantial increase in attendance overall, but having said that, it will nevertheless leave more room open to the occassional match-day fan while at the same time being able to accommodate those who want/intend to attend every single game.

Not sure what the figures are in terms of the number of people who are on the waiting list for season tickets. It could be 1,000, it could be 10,000. Who knows. But the fact that a waiting list exists means that at its current capacity, Eastlands can't meet the demand in that respect.

That doesn't mean that an increased capacity to, say, 60,000 will fill out for every single game. It will simply mean that everyone who wants to attend games (be it occassionally or all-the-time) will be able to be accommodated.

In regards to the any redevelopments, well, going from 47k to 80k is too big a jump and is probably not feasible from a constructural perspective. Eastlands is designed so that it can be extended - the most obvious being behind either goal (from 2 tiers to 3 tiers). Extending either end of the ground to 3 tiers would probably increase capacity to just over 60,000 (approx 7,000 seats behind each goal). But after that I doubt the stadium could be expanded much further.

If we get to the stage where 60,000 isn't enough, I think the club will look to move elsewhere.

I don't buy into these attendance debates.

Life isn't easy for many, and club affiliation is built up over decades, often for reasons outside the club's control, particularly in United's case.

United have more match-going fans because they have a bigger national and global fan base.

So what?

so every single fan is under the age of 16?

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Way to go in creating a straw man there fallowfield. The point that Boris made was (at least to me) blindingly obvious.

You are clearly an adult (your comment that you attended the Wimbledon game in the 80s confirms that), so your adult ticket cost £42, while in the game that Boris cited it cost £47 for a junior ticket.

The point being - how much would it have cost an adult a ticket in that game if a junior ticket cost £47?

if City want to expand to 80,000 then so be it, just be prepared for games being played in front of many empty seats! Best being a realist and go for 50-60,000 at tops and if you fill it then fair play.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/14825620.stm

if City want to expand to 80,000 then so be it, just be prepared for games being played in front of many empty seats! Best being a realist and go for 50-60,000 at tops and if you fill it then fair play.

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Read the posts shevy - 50-60,000 is the next step. Fair play eh?

Captain Posivity - And your link says what exactly? Something that no one already knows? You point being?

Captain_Positivity (U2394)

Link doesn't work. Is it photo's of Sneijder and Ozil training at Carrington?

works fine for me,and it's kaka and sanchez having their medicals at city,just so you know.

Cheers.

don't mention it.

No one can really say whatwill happen if the club decides to enlarge the capacity 1st to 60,000. If that proves to be enough then the club will leave it at that. However if that still proves to be insuffficent then the next step would have to be to raise it to 70,000 or even 80,000. Where the problem will lie is if the ground can be built to that capacity.