comment by KoemanYouBlues (U21156)
posted 2 minutes ago
Can't imagine you'd be too happy if a bunch of Muslims kicked everyone out of your local area to setup a Muslim country...**

it's happening in many parts of Britain but you're okay with that right??
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It is?!

We are these Muslim countries being setup in Britain?

I think you confuse your imagination with the reality on the ground.

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it's not just muslims home and you know it, thats the issue, you don't want the jews there because you're prejudiced towards them.
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You are only pro Israeli because they are kicking Muslims off their land and making them suffer, if it was white people it would be a completely different story and you know it.

comment by KoemanYouBlues (U21156)
posted 5 minutes ago
Can't imagine you'd be too happy if a bunch of Muslims kicked everyone out of your local area to setup a Muslim country...**

it's happening in many parts of Britain but you're okay with that right??
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I'm sorry but this is Daily Mail rubbish.

I'll admit there have been issues with integration of the Muslim community over here. But it's no where near or even remotely like setting up their own country. We've got a history of immigrants coming over here and taking a while to integrate. Maybe that's in part due to the hostility shown by people with the attitude of Koemans. You could also argue it takes a while for integration to take place. Immigrants from Pakistan, India and the West Indies who came over here in the 50's & 60's are now well and truly integrated, and integral, to our society.

I don't even know where to start with this btw;

"it's not just muslims home and you know it, thats the issue, you don't want the jews there because you're prejudiced towards them"

Think of the issues just them failing to integrate has caused in Britain... now imagine they were coming here to kick British people off their land and setup their own country...

If the government didn't do something to stop it there would be a literal war on the streets...

Can you imagine trying to calm these angry people down by telling them its okay the U.N made the decision!!



The very same people who support Israel are those who would least accept it happening in their backyard.

Yes Way

I'd ignore Koemans to be honest. He comes across as the sort of person that fumes about the Chinese setting up shop in a street up here in Liverpool to establish the first Chinatown in the UK. He's probably one of them 'I'm not eating any of that foreign muck' types when on holiday in the Costas.

As a Scouser I'm ashamed he's from my city.

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comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 1 hour, 24 minutes ago
comment by KoemanYouBlues (U21156)
posted 2 minutes ago
Can't imagine you'd be too happy if a bunch of Muslims kicked everyone out of your local area to setup a Muslim country...**

it's happening in many parts of Britain but you're okay with that right??
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It is?!

We are these Muslim countries being setup in Britain?

I think you confuse your imagination with the reality on the ground.

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it's not just muslims home and you know it, thats the issue, you don't want the jews there because you're prejudiced towards them.
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You are only pro Israeli because they are kicking Muslims off their land and making them suffer, if it was white people it would be a completely different story and you know it.
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no actually I dont show division or hate to anyone but I will expose people who do and yes guess what they are normally religious

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comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
Think of the issues just them failing to integrate has caused in Britain... now imagine they were coming here to kick British people off their land and setup their own country...

If the government didn't do something to stop it there would be a literal war on the streets...

Can you imagine trying to calm these angry people down by telling them its okay the U.N made the decision!!



The very same people who support Israel are those who would least accept it happening in their backyard.
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Think of the issues just them failing to integrate has caused in Britain...

there is always Palestine as an alternative destination, but to much freedom and democracy here to even entertain that possibility. my point is it isn't okay to disciminate against anyone so if you want freedom of movement and then complain about the palestine situation you are a grade a hypocrite.

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You are aware that millions of people have been displaced over the last century ? Are you saying it is wrong that they haven't returned to their previous homes? Or is it just Israel that concerns you? Do you think all these displaced people should return to their former homes? If so how do think that is likely to happen?
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I answered you a few times now but you seem to be ignoring me so how about you answer the question.

What is it about the Palestinian people that makes it okay to kick them off a land they have lived on for thousands of years to move a foreign people in and setup a country there?

Things like Iraq were bad enough but if we'd actually been trying to setup our own outpost there can you imagine the reaction.

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my point is it isn't okay to disciminate against anyone so if you want freedom of movement and then complain about the palestine situation you are a grade a hypocrite.
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Freedom of movement = setting up countries and kicking the natives out....

Genius

Maybe that's why Brexit sold so well lots of people like Koeman believed they'd be setting up their own countries on our land and kicking the natives out to make way....

comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 33 seconds ago
You are aware that millions of people have been displaced over the last century ? Are you saying it is wrong that they haven't returned to their previous homes? Or is it just Israel that concerns you? Do you think all these displaced people should return to their former homes? If so how do think that is likely to happen?
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I answered you a few times now but you seem to be ignoring me so how about you answer the question.

What is it about the Palestinian people that makes it okay to kick them off a land they have lived on for thousands of years to move a foreign people in and setup a country there?

Things like Iraq were bad enough but if we'd actually been trying to setup our own outpost there can you imagine the reaction.
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You haven't answered the above questions. Answer them I will respond.
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Here is a response from the first post you basically asked the question in...

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If for example Britain and America in their recent Iraq adventure had moved the Iraqis out of Iraq and setup a new country for British and American people and continued to expand that country with their own people kicking out the natives...

That would be very wrong, just as wrong as Israel doing it.
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So displacing people, as in any invasion type war in general = bad

Displacing a people off their land to move a foreign people onto the land = very bad.

The natives of Germany were displaced by the first type not long before the natives of Palestine were displaced by the second type.

No surprise the ones who were invaded and governed by a foreign power rather than removed and replaced have fared better.

Have I made this clear enough now, do I need to ask NWO to make some diagrams to explain it?

comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 6 minutes ago
my point is it isn't okay to disciminate against anyone so if you want freedom of movement and then complain about the palestine situation you are a grade a hypocrite.
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Freedom of movement = setting up countries and kicking the natives out....

Genius

Maybe that's why Brexit sold so well lots of people like Koeman believed they'd be setting up their own countries on our land and kicking the natives out to make way....
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I'll simplify it for you dear.....

You say that everyone has the right to go wherever they like but apparently that doesn't apply in palestine - hypocrite.

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So I say everyone has the right to go wherever they want and kick the natives off the land to setup their own country?

You a big supporter of freedom of movement then KYB, seen as it seems to be the cornerstone of your argument for Israel.

I should point out freedom of movement Is only within EU countries (so not Israel or Palestine)

Palestine was not signed up to any kind of freedom of movement.

Freedom of movement does not allow to go to a foreign country kick the locals off their land and form your own country there.

Outside of that the argument is flawless.

Well lastly I'm not sure I've ever said that everyone has the right to go wherever they like....

You haven't answered the questions. You just made a point.
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I have answered the question you just didn't like the answer.

Displacing people via regular war, say for example Iraq is bad.

Displacing people to replace them with your own people, say for example Israel is very bad.

I'd ask NWO but I'm not sure he can simplify it any further either.

Now what is it about Palestinians that means they are allowed to be kicked off their land.... is it because they are Muslim or would you be okay with this happening to non Muslims as well?

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YwY,

What's the point in arguing over it ?

To my mind, anyone who has read this discussion with an open mind, will have concluded that the existence of Israel is completely unjustified and its behaviour deplorable.

If others wish to maintain an alternative view, that's up to them.

Cal

1) You are aware that millions of people have been displaced over the last century ?

Yes

2) Are you saying it is wrong that they haven't returned to their previous homes? Or is it just Israel that concerns you?

It's not comparible. Take the people of Syria who have been displaced. It's not like they have annexed a large part of the UK (for example) and displaced UK nationals as a result.

3) Do you think all these displaced people should return to their former homes? If so how do think that is likely to happen?

Is it possible to provide a yes or no answer to this question? If you mean should Jews have returned to the country they were living before WW2 then there is no answer to this. Were there homes for them to go back to for example?

comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 7 minutes ago
So you avoided answering again. Your problem is you wish history had been different and the state of Israel wasn't there. But unfortunately for you it is.
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No need to have a tantrum.

Kicking the natives off their land to set up a country for foreign people is wrong no matter whose doing, even if the victims are Muslims its still wrong, I notice you dance around the issue rather than debate it properly...

Because there is no justification for it.

JSpurs, you are right

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Is it possible to provide a yes or no answer to this question? If you mean should Jews have returned to the country they were living before WW2 then there is no answer to this. Were there homes for them to go back to for example?
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Presumably they either go back to their country and are assisted if their home was destroyed (as happened to many people in WW2)

Or they immigrate to a different country...

I'm not sure the answer is ever to kick some other innocent people of their land and form a new country for them there...