Been saying it all along dude. We need Fabregas. We surely have to find a way to accomodate him. Him and Costa together are unreal. His vision in the PL is unrivalled imo. We let Mata go. Dont want the same mistake to happen with Cesc.
Last time we called out for Cesc was Arsenal and we got pullmeled. Problem is he is stupidly unathletic and we are heading to a high energy game, he can't defend which is a massive issue in a 2 man midfield.
If Conte can somehow convince him to stay as a supersub then ideal, however regular starter in this set up? Forget it.
comment by Mr Chelsea. (U3579)
posted 47 seconds ago
Been saying it all along dude. We need Fabregas. We surely have to find a way to accomodate him. Him and Costa together are unreal. His vision in the PL is unrivalled imo. We let Mata go. Dont want the same mistake to happen with Cesc.
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That is just my concern at the moment...letting Fabregas leave.
I mean, he did well against City, and I was expecting Conte to select him ahead of Matic, knowing fully well that West Brom was likely going to setup defensively.
What more can Fabregas really do to prove himself?
It just seems to me, that no matter how good a coach is, they always make errors of judgment.
Even the commentators were all saying that Fabregas was the solution to unlocking the West Brom stubborn defence.
Whilst I do think Fabregas is too good to be on the bench he just doesn't fit in this system. I'll be very suprised if he is still here next season.
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Sorry but for me he goes missing in games to often!
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 1 minute ago
Sorry but for me he goes missing in games to often!
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Maybe, but he always produces one or two killer passes that always opens up the defence, which often leads to goals.
Not trying to criticise Matic, but of what use was he today, when the opposition were only interested in defending for a point?
I agree it was very poor management by conte today and he was lucky Costa bailed him out.
comment by Sideshow (U11809)
posted 1 hour, 58 minutes ago
I don't see what's wrong in using Fabregas as an impact sub even in these types of games. It's not certain that by starting him he would have had an impact, especially when West Brom's concentration and energy would have been higher.
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This. Cesc played higher in the field today in 4-1-4-1.
comment by Returning managers (U1762)
posted 2 hours, 57 minutes ago
Last time we called out for Cesc was Arsenal and we got pullmeled. Problem is he is stupidly unathletic and we are heading to a high energy game, he can't defend which is a massive issue in a 2 man midfield.
If Conte can somehow convince him to stay as a supersub then ideal, however regular starter in this set up? Forget it.
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With you on this!
I ask the question to people who are desperate to accommodate Fab - why change a winning team?
Today, example, we needed to mix it up a bit and bringing on Fabregas worked however I think the line up with Matic and Kante seems to be working as we have won 9 games in a row! So why change it?
If Fab is happy to play a super sub role then that's perfect, but the truth is I don't think Kante can do his and Hazards defending, that's impossible imo
Agree with the article and comments above. I was screaming for Fabregas to be introduced earlier. Yes he can go missing in the big games but in a standard run-of-the-mill premiership game against a team that aren't offering much threat up top, but are well-drilled at the back he can be the key to opening them up. Before he came on we seemed predictable and West Brom were quite comfortable at nullifying our attack with their compact defensive shape. Even flat track bullies can be useful at times.
Forget sub, would have started Fabregas. Bread and butter type match for him to showcase ability.
Pass will go down as a Fabregas assist.
Although wasn't a good pass (very speculative), Costa made excellent use of it. Used wit and outbattled McAuley. Goal was all about Costa.
Not one you would call a vintage (exquisite) Cesc assist, lucked into it.
Sure during match had he started would have produced better...
Cmf bang on the money yet again. Ruthless cnt.
Let's see what side he puts out at Sunderland
Somewhere we've struggled slightly in recent seasons..although they are very poor currently
comment by Wahl Icht is sorry (U21293)
posted 11 hours, 33 minutes ago
I agree it was very poor management by conte today and he was lucky Costa bailed him out.
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No it wasn't
What would Mourinho have done I wonder
Why wouldn't he start Matic, we won last 8 matches with him in?
Anytime I see Fabregas in the game playing like we do I tense up. His legs have completely gone and he's playing in a position where he gets no protection/gets it at the cost of losing another player disrupting the team's shape.
Unless we're sitting very deep or playing 3-5-2 with Kante & Matic doing his running for him he's a tactical liability. I wouldn't mind him playing the Pirlo role in a Conte managed side, but it would mean dropping one of Hazard, Pedro or Costa and altering all of their roles - which simply shouldn't and isn't going to happen given their form. So Fabregas is the odd one out, but being bold enough to make that call is great management by Conte
The concept of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" is flawed, you make changes to lineup accordingly if you have better options in squad (especially one particularly appropriate to influence certain matches from a passing perspective against low block sides).
If Zouma was fit, I would most definitely want him to start over Cahill (despite winning run).
Or Chalobah/Fabregas (depending on match) replacing Matic.
Or alternative left wing-back to replace Alonso in the side.
I believe removing them will make for an even better team performance and results.
comment by Chelseamf™®© (U1677)
posted 33 minutes ago
The concept of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" is flawed, you make changes to lineup accordingly if you have better options in squad (especially one particularly appropriate to influence certain matches from a passing perspective against low block sides).
If Zouma was fit, I would most definitely want him to start over Cahill (despite winning run).
Or Chalobah/Fabregas (depending on match) replacing Matic.
Or alternative left wing-back to replace Alonso in the side.
I believe removing them will make for an even better team performance and results.
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Cahill has been fine in this run and i am one of his harshest critics, in fact if it weren't for him we might have dropped points yesterday.
Also what is this big thing with Chalobah? He seems like he can be a decent homegrown squad player but no way in hell is he a first Xl player.
I stand to be corrected, was it not Fabregas that supplied the pass that led to the goal?
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It was, but are you seriously claiming that pass as some kind of testimony to his individual brilliance....ffs even Mikel could have pulled that off.
However, i think he could have come on a bit earlier too but these decisions are really hard. It is a big decision to change the system in a game, especially one that we have been using so well for the previous 8 games.
Farbregas does not really fir into a 3-4-3, i can't see that ever working so it has to be 4-1-4-1 or something else.
One can understand Conte's hesitation, but he made the call in the end.
I find the arguments calling for Fabregas to be picked quite simplistic.
Mr C, you rightly point out that Fabregas can pick passes for Costa as he did agst Man City, but I have to point out how much space City leave in behind their back 4 for Costa to run into.
That was simply not the case agst WBA and to pick him in a deep midfield position would have been a disaster, because he would not have been able to hurt WBA without the space to exploit.
The argument to play him is much stronger if in a more advanced position when playing this type of oppo, but then that means changing a formation that has led us to 9 straight wins and a title charge.
So far 3-4-3 is working well for us, why change it?
comment by Wahl Icht is sorry (U21293)
posted 13 hours, 53 minutes ago
I agree it was very poor management by conte today and he was lucky Costa bailed him out.
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posted on 11/12/16
Been saying it all along dude. We need Fabregas. We surely have to find a way to accomodate him. Him and Costa together are unreal. His vision in the PL is unrivalled imo. We let Mata go. Dont want the same mistake to happen with Cesc.
posted on 11/12/16
Last time we called out for Cesc was Arsenal and we got pullmeled. Problem is he is stupidly unathletic and we are heading to a high energy game, he can't defend which is a massive issue in a 2 man midfield.
If Conte can somehow convince him to stay as a supersub then ideal, however regular starter in this set up? Forget it.
posted on 11/12/16
comment by Mr Chelsea. (U3579)
posted 47 seconds ago
Been saying it all along dude. We need Fabregas. We surely have to find a way to accomodate him. Him and Costa together are unreal. His vision in the PL is unrivalled imo. We let Mata go. Dont want the same mistake to happen with Cesc.
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That is just my concern at the moment...letting Fabregas leave.
I mean, he did well against City, and I was expecting Conte to select him ahead of Matic, knowing fully well that West Brom was likely going to setup defensively.
What more can Fabregas really do to prove himself?
It just seems to me, that no matter how good a coach is, they always make errors of judgment.
Even the commentators were all saying that Fabregas was the solution to unlocking the West Brom stubborn defence.
posted on 11/12/16
Whilst I do think Fabregas is too good to be on the bench he just doesn't fit in this system. I'll be very suprised if he is still here next season.
posted on 11/12/16
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posted on 11/12/16
Sorry but for me he goes missing in games to often!
posted on 11/12/16
Welcome to Spurs, Cesc
posted on 11/12/16
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 1 minute ago
Sorry but for me he goes missing in games to often!
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Maybe, but he always produces one or two killer passes that always opens up the defence, which often leads to goals.
Not trying to criticise Matic, but of what use was he today, when the opposition were only interested in defending for a point?
posted on 11/12/16
I agree it was very poor management by conte today and he was lucky Costa bailed him out.
posted on 11/12/16
comment by Sideshow (U11809)
posted 1 hour, 58 minutes ago
I don't see what's wrong in using Fabregas as an impact sub even in these types of games. It's not certain that by starting him he would have had an impact, especially when West Brom's concentration and energy would have been higher.
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This. Cesc played higher in the field today in 4-1-4-1.
posted on 11/12/16
comment by Returning managers (U1762)
posted 2 hours, 57 minutes ago
Last time we called out for Cesc was Arsenal and we got pullmeled. Problem is he is stupidly unathletic and we are heading to a high energy game, he can't defend which is a massive issue in a 2 man midfield.
If Conte can somehow convince him to stay as a supersub then ideal, however regular starter in this set up? Forget it.
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With you on this!
I ask the question to people who are desperate to accommodate Fab - why change a winning team?
Today, example, we needed to mix it up a bit and bringing on Fabregas worked however I think the line up with Matic and Kante seems to be working as we have won 9 games in a row! So why change it?
If Fab is happy to play a super sub role then that's perfect, but the truth is I don't think Kante can do his and Hazards defending, that's impossible imo
posted on 12/12/16
Agree with the article and comments above. I was screaming for Fabregas to be introduced earlier. Yes he can go missing in the big games but in a standard run-of-the-mill premiership game against a team that aren't offering much threat up top, but are well-drilled at the back he can be the key to opening them up. Before he came on we seemed predictable and West Brom were quite comfortable at nullifying our attack with their compact defensive shape. Even flat track bullies can be useful at times.
posted on 12/12/16
Forget sub, would have started Fabregas. Bread and butter type match for him to showcase ability.
Pass will go down as a Fabregas assist.
Although wasn't a good pass (very speculative), Costa made excellent use of it. Used wit and outbattled McAuley. Goal was all about Costa.
Not one you would call a vintage (exquisite) Cesc assist, lucked into it.
Sure during match had he started would have produced better...
posted on 12/12/16
Cmf bang on the money yet again. Ruthless cnt.
posted on 12/12/16
Let's see what side he puts out at Sunderland
Somewhere we've struggled slightly in recent seasons..although they are very poor currently
posted on 12/12/16
comment by Wahl Icht is sorry (U21293)
posted 11 hours, 33 minutes ago
I agree it was very poor management by conte today and he was lucky Costa bailed him out.
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No it wasn't
What would Mourinho have done I wonder
posted on 12/12/16
Why wouldn't he start Matic, we won last 8 matches with him in?
posted on 12/12/16
Anytime I see Fabregas in the game playing like we do I tense up. His legs have completely gone and he's playing in a position where he gets no protection/gets it at the cost of losing another player disrupting the team's shape.
Unless we're sitting very deep or playing 3-5-2 with Kante & Matic doing his running for him he's a tactical liability. I wouldn't mind him playing the Pirlo role in a Conte managed side, but it would mean dropping one of Hazard, Pedro or Costa and altering all of their roles - which simply shouldn't and isn't going to happen given their form. So Fabregas is the odd one out, but being bold enough to make that call is great management by Conte
posted on 12/12/16
The concept of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" is flawed, you make changes to lineup accordingly if you have better options in squad (especially one particularly appropriate to influence certain matches from a passing perspective against low block sides).
If Zouma was fit, I would most definitely want him to start over Cahill (despite winning run).
Or Chalobah/Fabregas (depending on match) replacing Matic.
Or alternative left wing-back to replace Alonso in the side.
I believe removing them will make for an even better team performance and results.
posted on 12/12/16
comment by Chelseamf™®© (U1677)
posted 33 minutes ago
The concept of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" is flawed, you make changes to lineup accordingly if you have better options in squad (especially one particularly appropriate to influence certain matches from a passing perspective against low block sides).
If Zouma was fit, I would most definitely want him to start over Cahill (despite winning run).
Or Chalobah/Fabregas (depending on match) replacing Matic.
Or alternative left wing-back to replace Alonso in the side.
I believe removing them will make for an even better team performance and results.
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Cahill has been fine in this run and i am one of his harshest critics, in fact if it weren't for him we might have dropped points yesterday.
Also what is this big thing with Chalobah? He seems like he can be a decent homegrown squad player but no way in hell is he a first Xl player.
posted on 12/12/16
I stand to be corrected, was it not Fabregas that supplied the pass that led to the goal?
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It was, but are you seriously claiming that pass as some kind of testimony to his individual brilliance....ffs even Mikel could have pulled that off.
posted on 12/12/16
However, i think he could have come on a bit earlier too but these decisions are really hard. It is a big decision to change the system in a game, especially one that we have been using so well for the previous 8 games.
Farbregas does not really fir into a 3-4-3, i can't see that ever working so it has to be 4-1-4-1 or something else.
One can understand Conte's hesitation, but he made the call in the end.
posted on 12/12/16
I find the arguments calling for Fabregas to be picked quite simplistic.
Mr C, you rightly point out that Fabregas can pick passes for Costa as he did agst Man City, but I have to point out how much space City leave in behind their back 4 for Costa to run into.
That was simply not the case agst WBA and to pick him in a deep midfield position would have been a disaster, because he would not have been able to hurt WBA without the space to exploit.
The argument to play him is much stronger if in a more advanced position when playing this type of oppo, but then that means changing a formation that has led us to 9 straight wins and a title charge.
So far 3-4-3 is working well for us, why change it?
posted on 12/12/16
comment by Wahl Icht is sorry (U21293)
posted 13 hours, 53 minutes ago
I agree it was very poor management by conte today and he was lucky Costa bailed him out.
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It really is time for you to TO FECK OFF YOU UTTERLY BORING KENT!
posted on 12/12/16
Why the feck did admin let wahl back in? He's more tedious than whatnext.
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